Nocturtle posted:

...implies widespread anti-federal government sentiment...

Beowulfs_Ghost posted:

This is the answer.

It is way simpler than assuming that SovCit sympathizers just happened to make up a significant number of jurors and alternates.

Even liberals in Oregon distrust the Federal government. Rural conservatives may hate the feds for not letting them rape the land, but liberals get just as peeved that the feds allow any commercial use.

Honestly, I'm not one to complain too much about how this trial turned out. I've never seen the inside of a court room for breaking laws during protests. Even those Greenpeace guys who dangles from the St. Johns bridge got nothing more than a fine.

Jose posted:

he didn' tjust decapitate the guy he hacked all his limbs off and they recovered every one except for the head that had the bullet wound lol

he's got aspergers though nbd

nm posted:

My impression of his statements is that this all got lost in the prosecution focusing on how bad the actual actions and reactions were.
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Bombadilillo posted:

I think the best explanation is Oregon tends anti-feds. And the word "conspiracy" put them off instinctually. Conspiracy is what the gubment does. Even explaining its definition, these rural people thought it wasnt a "conspiracy" and took so much offense to it that they NGed the lesser obvious charges.

I really want to know how it would have gone with just destruction of property and intimidation charges. Not conspiracy to intimidate. I think the jurisdiction issues with what they could charge messed it all up.

nm posted:

Jurors don't reflect society. A goal of jury selection on either side is to not have a representative sample, but a sample that helps them. If we wnated a representative sample, we wouldn't have jury selection.

SocketWrench posted:

These fuckers must be excited. This came just in time for them to celebrate their favorite holiday where they get to dress up like their dream sooper snipah Delta Force Spec OPs Navy SEAL and extort others for candy through joindering with homeowners and threatening violence through acts of vandalism if those homeowners do not pay up.

Cubey posted:

at least half of the 45 people i worked with at my last job were sure that the roseburg shooting was a false flag. oregonians outside of portland and ashland are loving loons and i am getting the gently caress out of this state as soon as i get my degree. it says a lot that i moved here from upstate new york and somehow the people here are like a billion times worse.

Beowulfs_Ghost posted:

This is the answer.

It is way simpler than assuming that SovCit sympathizers just happened to make up a significant number of jurors and alternates.

Even liberals in Oregon distrust the Federal government. Rural conservatives may hate the feds for not letting them rape the land, but liberals get just as peeved that the feds allow any commercial use.

Honestly, I'm not one to complain too much about how this trial turned out. I've never seen the inside of a court room for breaking laws during protests. Even those Greenpeace guys who dangles from the St. Johns bridge got nothing more than a fine.

Kazak_Hstan posted:

Juror 4 is a fuckstick, but investigating jurors who choose wrong is not a good thing.

PST posted:

Minimum IQ tests for Jurors should be a thing.

So what are the chances of ther state raising all the other charges and/or this being replicated in NV?

quote:

"Inference, while possibly compelling, proved to be insulting or inadequate to 12 diversely situated people as a means to convict,'' the juror wrote. "The air of triumphalism that the prosecution brought was not lost on any of us, nor was it warranted given their burden of proof.''
[. . .]
"We all queried about alternative charges that could stick and were amazed that this 'conspiracy' charge seemed the best possible option,''

A HUNGRY MOUTH posted:

How could Juror #4 fail an IQ test? He knows so many SAT words!!


"QUERY: SHALL QUIZNOS BE PROCURED FOR MIDDAY REPAST? RELAY ANY GUSTATORY OBJECTIONS FORTHWITH"

Kazak_Hstan posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Leah_Sottile/status/792117056032284672

nm posted:

Wrong blm, morons.

BlackIronHeart posted:

You decide.

The Mandingo posted:

Yeah what is that?

PST posted:

It's one of the Bundy group aiming a rifle at federal agents.

Or, you know, you could use elementary research skills to google this sort of thing rather than just ask it here.

The Mandingo posted:

Ok cool "just asking questions" guess I'll go to google instead of getting peoples opinions here.

The Mandingo posted:

Ok cool "just asking questions" guess I'll go to google instead of getting peoples opinions here.

quote:

On the morning of April 12, an armed crowd rallied under a banner that read "Liberty Freedom For God We Stand". Most had signs, many of which chided "government thugs". Addressing the protesters, Bundy said, "We definitely don't recognize [the BLM director's] jurisdiction or authority, his arresting power or policing power in any way" and "We're about ready to take the country over with force!" After the BLM announced a suspension of the roundup, Bundy suggested blocking a highway.[52] Armed protesters blocked a portion of Interstate 15 for more than two hours, causing traffic backups for three miles in both directions.[63] Protesters also converged at the mouth of Gold Butte, the preserve where the cattle were corralled, and a tense, hour-long standoff ensued. BLM rangers warned over loudspeakers that they were prepared to use tear gas.[52] Former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack, who was with the protesters, said that they were "strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, it's going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers".[9] Protestors with rifles took positions on a highway overpass, seemingly offering cover as horse-mounted wranglers led protesters to face off against heavily equipped BLM rangers and snipers.[52] Utah Lt. Gov. Spencer Cox, who officially traveled to the Bundy standoff to convey that Utah did not want the cattle, put the number of federal agents present at over 200.[64] According to Las Vegas assistant sheriff Joe Lombardo, there were 24 BLM rangers and Las Vegas deputy sheriffs present at the standoff.[65] Las Vegas police were not allowed to wear protective gear because of fear that it would be seen as a provocation.[66] Clark County Sheriff Gillespie blames the escalation of the situation on the BLM, stating to the Las Vegas Review-Journal that the BLM has lied to him about having a place to take the cattle and the BLM did not attend town-hall meetings and disregarded his advice as County Sheriff.[67]

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported that tensions reached a "critical level" during the standoff, "with rifles pointing toward each side."[68][69] Las Vegas station KLAS-TV also reported that guns were pointed at officers.[66] Assistant Sheriff Lombardo recounted that "they were in my face yelling profanities and pointing weapons," and said, "We were outgunned, outmanned, and there would not have been a good result from it."[66]

A photojournalist for Reuters wrote that armed supporters had "taken up tactical positions on government officers," and that one man pointing a rifle in the direction of BLM employees said, "I've got a clear shot at four of them."[70] Another man said, "I'm ready to pull the trigger if fired upon."[70]

--Wikipedia

The Kingfish posted:

Liberals don't like it when conservatives practice civil disobedience and would like to see them jailed for it.

Zamujasa posted:

quote:

The 2014 Las Vegas shootings occurred on June 8, 2014 in northeastern Las Vegas, Nevada, when a married couple, Jerad and Amanda Miller, committed a shooting spree in which five people died, including themselves. The couple, who espoused extreme anti-government views, first killed two Las Vegas police officers at a restaurant before fleeing into a Walmart, where they killed an intervening armed civilian. The couple died after engaging responding officers in a shootout; police shot and killed Jerad, while Amanda committed suicide after being wounded.

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During the April 2014 Bundy standoff, in which the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) attempted to round up cattle belonging to rancher Cliven Bundy, who refused to vacate public land,[22] Jerad Miller was said to have been among the armed protesters who joined Bundy during the incident. According to Bundy's son, Ammon Bundy, the Millers were present during the standoff for a few days, but had been instructed by a militia member to leave due to "their radical beliefs", which did not align with the protest's main issues.[17][23] They were also instructed to leave because Jerad Miller was a felon in possession of a firearm.[16] Carol Bundy later commented, "I have not seen or heard anything from the militia and others who have came to our ranch that would, in any way, make me think they had an intent to kill or harm anyone."[24]

During the standoff, Jerad Miller had made interviews with other protesters at the ranch,[25][26] and was also interviewed by CNN, NBC News affiliate KRNV-DT, and other news stations, during which he said:
I feel sorry for any federal agents that want to come in here and try to push us around or anything like that. I really don't want violence toward them, but if they're going to come bring violence to us, well, if that's the language they want to speak, we'll learn it.

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Motives
Jerad Miller posted several online videos in which he was dressed as the Joker. In one video, he expressed a strong hatred for law enforcement and police officers in general, warning in an online video that they "cannot be trusted". In another, he denounced the U.S. government as being oppressive, especially criticizing their measures at gun control, surveillance, and their treatment of Cliven Bundy during the April 2014 standoff.[2] Friends of the Millers reported that they idolized Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the two perpetrators of the 1999 Columbine High School massacre, and wanted to follow in their footsteps. The Millers' ideology about the government has been described as "along the lines of militia and white supremacists" by a police official.[6] During the shooting, the Millers placed a swastika on the body of slain officer Alyn Beck; police officials remarked that this act didn't signify the Millers were white supremacists, but instead was intended to associate police officers with Nazism.[10]

The Millers supported the Patriot movement, a collection of various groups with a shared ideology for limited federal government. According to Mark Potok, a spokesperson for the Southern Poverty Law Center, there was no evidence that they belonged in a specific group, but that they considered the outcome of the standoff between Cliven Bundy and the BLM as "a huge victory against the federal government", which reportedly motivated them to commit the shooting spree.

PST posted:

It's one of the Bundy group aiming a rifle at federal agents.

Or, you know, you could use elementary research skills to google this sort of thing rather than just ask it here.

Zamujasa posted:

Kazak_Hstan posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Leah_Sottile/status/792117056032284672