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I don't know how you guys are doing your diplomacy but on King with 10 players I've managed to only get into 4 wars during the game. First one was Saladin trying to delete my new religion out of existence, and I conquered him wholepiece. Nobody seemed to mind; Japan was even ecstatic at my piety and culture. Got a declaration of friendship from him. Then Catherine de Medici offered me a relic if I went to war with Brazil with her. I agreed, slapped away a few brazilian warriors with my legions and got a white peace with him. A good deal. He ended up hating me forever but I did beat him at all his great persons so that was unsurprising, and he never declared war again. Then she surprise declared on me with Barbarossa but we peaced out not long after. Barbarossa kept up the fight for a good 500 years but white peaced then without even a single combat between us. Catherine turned around (went all the way from denouncing todeclaration of friendship over the course of the medieval and renaissance eras) and inversely my relationship with Tokimune soured because I converted all his cities away from his Confucianism when he founded it. He was also paranoid and conquering Saladin put me right next to him so I udnerstand he progressively felt shittier and shittier about me after the initial "wow you're so honorable!" burst. I made the mistake of going back to a previous government form which caused 3 turns of anarchy, which didn't really set me back too much but the 0 faith + 0 culture for 3 turns made Tokimune completely hate me and declare a religious war on me. I beat him back, conquered all his cities and then gave them back to him for cash. The deal was so good for him that he went back to more or less neutral. Barring some weird pop-ups like Gorgo ringing me up a few times to compliment me for winning and also for how scared my military made her, and Cleopatra doing the same with my gold and army strength, diplomacy seemed completely fine and understandable. I'm currently in the information era and shooting for a science victory so maybe everyone will try to kill me still, but I can confidently say that this is the best diplomacy system I've seen in a 4x game, at least on paper. They might need to tone down how zealous the AI is (like Congo exploding at you 1 turn after you found your religion) but all of the wars seemed to flow naturally from how I acted towards the AI, and I managed to turn some from hating me into loving me even after a war (simply by not permanently taking their poo poo).
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Annoying thing happened to me. Was producing a Legion unit as Rome, took a fair amount of time to construct. Had two turns to complete when I finish researching Gunpowder (I think?). Now, I don't know if the production queue normally just updates to the updated unit (Musketman in this case). But since I didn't have any Niter, the production just... stopped, since I apparently couldn't keep on producing a Legion unit instead. Annoying.
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Oct 29, 2016 11:44
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Yeah, I noticed that if you advance but don't have the resources to start making the new unit, you can't construct or buy the old unit anymore at all. Which really fucks you over if you're in the middle of a war and happen to ding gunpowder or something.
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Oct 29, 2016 12:13
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Is there a reason why Apostles suddenly stop being able to get skills? The game would tell me they had a promotions, but at some point there was no long a promotion option for them even though I'd keep getting a message from the game sayin there was. EDIT: Last page says bug. Glad to be getting that real Civ experience again 
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Oct 29, 2016 13:21
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My new game is hilarious. Every single AI I meet declares war on me the second turn after the meeting. There is no apparent reason for any of them to do so, I'm not even violating any of their agendas.  Oh well gently caress all you guys I'm gonna beeline for nukes and burn it all down.
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Oct 29, 2016 13:48
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Civilization VI: Christ, 12 Apostles?
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Oct 29, 2016 13:52
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I really miss the replay map from Civ V. It was very satisfying to watch, especially following a domination win or some alt history scenarios.
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Oct 29, 2016 14:35
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Also, the game itself is not nearly as readable as I got the impression from he screenshots. I do like the bright and colourful approach, and I shun grim-dark brown realism these days... but right now we have colourful unit/city/resource icons overlaid on a colourful in game world. In Civ V the icons and borders stood out way better- you had colourful icons overlaid on more subdued, realistic terrain. In Civ Vi, everything kind of blends together. This is only exacerbated by the fact units with pre-existing orders (that I might change my mind about) start the turn faded out.
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Oct 29, 2016 14:39
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I gotta say, I love how nukes are implemented in this. If you've got any uranium anywhere, you can just churn the fuckers out in every city, and use them anywhere your planes can reach, no logistic BS like in V. By the end of my war game on a Huge map, there was just a barren wasteland around my territories. Oh, instant razing is also pretty good.
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Oct 29, 2016 14:40
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Has anybody else had this problem where you build an industrial district/hansa, then build a bunch of mines next to it, then not get any adjacency bonuses to your industrial district/hansa? Is it a bug?
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Oct 29, 2016 16:08
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Hansa specifically does not get bonuses from mines.
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Oct 29, 2016 16:14
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Hansa districts don't receive bonuses from mines and quarries
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Oct 29, 2016 16:16
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Man, setting up a holy city is awesome if you're going tourism. Arabia knocked out my religion earlier (I'm not worried about a religious victory sneaking up on me because they have to go through Spain and Russia on the far side of the map) and I'm still getting crazy tourism from my capital's holy site. It's the most popular tourist destination in my lands by far even though just about everyone else has gone through Enlightenment.
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Oct 29, 2016 16:32
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is there really nothing i can do with a dozen surplus great writers except delete them for cash?
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Oct 29, 2016 16:34
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Be satisfied you have prevented the AI from getting them? The big issue is that the great writers/artists/musicians now produce multiple great works of art. So you either end up with hardly any, or you end up drowning in the fuckers. Also, archeological museums are hilariously easy to get themeing bonuses with if you're paying attention. Great Art is so loving picky, you have to have three different pieces of one TYPE of painting by different artists. So no mixing your religious art with your portraits with your landscapes. Nope, you have to have a museum dedicated to landscapes by 3 different great artists.
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Oct 29, 2016 16:39
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Antares posted:is there really nothing i can do with a dozen surplus great writers except delete them for cash? Sell your great works of writing for cash instead and use the writer? Could be worth more!
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Oct 29, 2016 16:39
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Ive had this recurring problem witb civ 5 and now 6. Every once in a while when i want to close the game, or sometimes when opening, itll lock up and become unresponsive...but then wont let me access anything behind it so I can't ctrl alt delete it out or open any programs on that screen. How do you fix that? I have to restart the whole pc every time.
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Oct 29, 2016 16:41
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Just had a mess of a game where my game-long friend Ghandi, who I had an alliance with, would promise to not convert my cities every turn and then break it the next one. I eventually had to just declare holy war against him just to stop him from filling every square inch of my lands with his religious troops. And then all the effort i put into trying to improve relationships with the world sunk, as everyone declared me a warmongerer. To hell with you guys, he started it! It definitely seems to be easier to lose favor than it is to gain it. I had a surplus of good will running on my neighbors the whole game and it seems like they never got above "Unfriendly"
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Oct 29, 2016 17:39
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ThirdEmperor posted:Is this also the thread for older versions? Cause I decided to pick up IV too and now I'm getting stomped, no idea what my tech/build priorities should be in order to catch up with the AI. My favourite strategy in Civ IV was to spam/conquer cities until I had 10-12, limp along on 10% science to currency and start pulling ahead with the large production/science build up. Build libraries and get scientist specialists. The Great Scientists they generate points for can build an academy in a city that'll give you 25% extra science output, while the specialist scientists will give you the beakers your economy can't deliver (due to the large upkeep of city spam). Build the Pyramids and get the Representation civic, the scientists will provide double beaker income. Build the Great Library to get 2 extra scientists. The GP economy is a thing. *edit* On higher difficulties (King and later), tech to Aesthetics. The AI doesn't really prioritize it and they value techs that enable wonders. They value techs less the more people have them, so you can trade for about all of the techs you missed with Aesthetics. nimby fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Oct 29, 2016 |
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Oct 29, 2016 17:59
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Which actor takes over the narration once Sean Bean dies?
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Oct 29, 2016 18:00
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Just had a mess of a game where my game-long friend Ghandi, who I had an alliance with, would promise to not convert my cities every turn and then break it the next one. I eventually had to just declare holy war against him just to stop him from filling every square inch of my lands with his religious troops. Just conquer your fair-weather friends. They won't be so duplicitous when they are dead.
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Oct 29, 2016 18:00
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nimby posted:My favourite strategy in Civ IV was to spam/conquer cities until I had 10-12, limp along on 10% science to currency and start pulling ahead with the large production/science build up. Is this the "murder based economy" I've heard about, where commerce is so poor that you just have to keep conquering and pillaging to prevent yourself falling into debt? I'm not familiar with Civ 4 but I've seen lots of talk about it and that's my favorite anecdote 
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Oct 29, 2016 18:43
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Is this the "murder based economy" I've heard about, where commerce is so poor that you just have to keep conquering and pillaging to prevent yourself falling into debt? yea, but usually leads to the death of your empire, cause there's no way to recover once your into too much debt
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Oct 29, 2016 18:54
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If you did it right you could expand to the point where your economy was at the edge of collapse and you had no more science, but then you hold and build and once you develop through it you rapidly make up the lost ground and then overtake everybody else. My current game is dumb. If you start with a bunch of coast and flatlands you're basically hosed, I have so little production. Ancient walls take 100 turns to build. 
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Oct 29, 2016 18:59
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I like the idea of regional improvements boosting each other across the empire. It reminds me of how Alpha Centauri basically allowed you to grow your yields exponentially once you got into the end game. I just with it was counterbalanced by some incentive to build fewer / more spaced out cities so there was some actual strategic thought behind selecting city spots.
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Oct 29, 2016 19:04
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Jastiger posted:Ive had this recurring problem witb civ 5 and now 6. Every once in a while when i want to close the game, or sometimes when opening, itll lock up and become unresponsive...but then wont let me access anything behind it so I can't ctrl alt delete it out or open any programs on that screen. No one else has this problem?
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Oct 29, 2016 19:50
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I got that once, but I have two monitors so I was able to bring up the task manager on the other monitor and force-quit. Not sure what you do if you have only one monitor.
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Oct 29, 2016 19:54
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Set task manager to always be on top, use it to shut down the program instead of quitting normally.
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Oct 29, 2016 19:57
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My AI friend offered me a bunch of money to declare a joint war, the next turn he denounced me as a warmonger, the turn after that he declared war on me, taking a break from this.
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Oct 29, 2016 20:07
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Descar posted:yea, but usually leads to the death of your empire, cause there's no way to recover once your into too much debt as long as you can build cottages recovery is entirely possible and intentionally REXing into 0% research is a valid strategy
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Oct 29, 2016 20:13
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socialsecurity posted:My AI friend offered me a bunch of money to declare a joint war, the next turn he denounced me as a warmonger, the turn after that he declared war on me, taking a break from this. The game gets a lot more playable when you start thinking of the AI as a resource to be exploited, not a fellow journeyer on the road from the stone age to the stars. Of course, if you don't find that approach fun then you might as well take a break anyways.
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Oct 29, 2016 20:13
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How is this Civilopedia so goddamn bad, like not even having a basic breadcrumb since they were too lazy to indicate what does and doesn't link to another page; am I mistaken thinking CivIV's was better in terms of ability to get information with fewer clicks/scrolls from any given page? or even how to OPEN THE THING from the main menu, like, come the gently caress on guys
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Oct 29, 2016 20:15
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Jastiger posted:No one else has this problem? I had it in fullscreen but not anymore. Besides the crap UI, the AI is just so godawful. Ancient era balance is messed up too. You can poo poo out warriors and archers and go after a civ easily even on Emperor (where they start with 2 settlers and 3 warriors, wtf?). I did this just now and stomped an enemy AI with a better army because their response to being attacked was to run away, leave their cities undefended and never fight back. In the meantime, Scythia backstabbed me and surrounded my capital. Now it's under siege. I have two units there - a warrior and archer - and nowhere to move them because all 6 surrounding hexes are occupied, so I can't end the turn. Good job with that.
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Oct 29, 2016 20:16
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The AI is kinda...not smart? I converted Ghandi's capital, and he was my competitor for religion. His response was to make...a bunch of missonaries for my religion. So when I made a city on his continent to convert the remaining civs, his response is to send a wave of twelve or so missionaries at me...of my religion. Uh, thanks for the help. Also, people denouncing you for being a warmonger when they declared war on you is another thing.
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Oct 29, 2016 20:21
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socialsecurity posted:My AI friend offered me a bunch of money to declare a joint war, the next turn he denounced me as a warmonger, the turn after that he declared war on me, taking a break from this. To be honest, this seems exactly like something a real politician would do
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Oct 29, 2016 20:25
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Is there no way to declare war on an AI when he declares war on your Ally without taking a big warmonger penalty? Germany and I have been trading blows for a long time. I did get to declare a protectorate war once when he massed an army to take out Toronto, so I just destroyed all of his units but never touched a city. I've been allied with Sumeria though and we're best buds, so when Germany declared war on them, I figured why not, I was getting bored. But to declare war against Germany, I only had Surprise War, Formal War, and Colonial War (since I was basically done with the tech tree while he was still fielding horsemen. All of which carried some pretty big penalties. There's nothing for "Hey step off my ally?" (I just rolled his two cities in a Colonial War and deleted him from the game but still)
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Oct 29, 2016 20:33
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cheetah7071 posted:I got that once, but I have two monitors so I was able to bring up the task manager on the other monitor and force-quit. Not sure what you do if you have only one monitor. I try to do that but civ is always on top. I have two moniters too, but task manager is always in the background underneath civ and i cant access it to force quit. How do you force task manager on top? How do you change which screen it comes up on?
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Oct 29, 2016 20:33
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Jastiger posted:No one else has this problem? This happens to me often. I just create a new virtual desktop (windowskey + tab, click the +) and open taskmgr there to kill the app.
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Oct 29, 2016 20:37
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Jastiger posted:I try to do that but civ is always on top. I have two moniters too, but task manager is always in the background underneath civ and i cant access it to force quit. How do you force task manager on top? How do you change which screen it comes up on? Alt+tab until the task manager is selected, then win+shift+left or right to move the window to a different monitor.
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Decrepus posted:Civilization VI: Christ, 12 Apostles? Why is this not the thread title yet?? e: Oh my god inquisitors are an instant  to unwanted religions
Fryhtaning fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Oct 29, 2016 |
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