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Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

sick lighting bro

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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Kirby Superscare! posted:

How do you close the door with the speaker/monitor sticking out in front of it?

There's more space there than it looks like there is.

Actuarial Fables
Jul 29, 2014

Taco Defender

NonzeroCircle posted:


Not the best pic, I've recently moved and finally have space for the giant desk my brother built and gave into the temptation for silly lights

Do you use the computer with the silly lights on? I've always wondered this about people with crazy light setups, since I think it would get tiring having blue/red/whatever lights on when trying to do things.

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
I only installed them yesterday (and they were £6 so not breaking the bank here), if you balance the brightness of them against monitor brightness so they are about the same i found it less eye straining, and i normally have a soft lamp on in the room too so its not the only light source.

Its less overpowering when theres other light sources on the go.

There's more neutral colours on the strip i have that I'll try out, blue was for the pic. Its not gonna be on all the time anyway.

I tend to play guitar by my pc so its quite nice 'mood lighting' too. Its not to everyones taste (and i have very little taste) but I'm happy with it.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
I actually like those active lights that project the edge colors onto the wall but bright blue LEDs are just... Wrong. My eyes hurt seeing them in the dark.

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.
So that rear-monitor lighting made me curious about what they can do. Google searching brought up this site: https://antumbra.io.

It's basically a small box you connect to your computer that takes an average of all the colors your monitor is displaying and shines that color against the wall so you have a backlight, but it's the same color as what's on the screen so it shouldn't be distracting so much as just something to help with ~*~my immersion~*~.

Here's the video showing what it does:
https://vimeo.com/teamantumbra/antumbraglowpromo

GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Oct 29, 2016

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?
If you like to DIY, there's an open source clone called boblight. There's a Kodi plugin, desktop capture, and you can use a Raspberry Pi with a capture device to run it off of arbitrary sources.

Actuarial Fables
Jul 29, 2014

Taco Defender

GreatGreen posted:

So that rear-monitor lighting made me curious about what they can do. Google searching brought up this site: https://antumbra.io.

It's basically a small box you connect to your computer that takes an average of all the colors your monitor is displaying and shines that color against the wall so you have a backlight, but it's the same color as what's on the screen so it shouldn't be distracting so much as just something to help with ~*~my immersion~*~.

Here's the video showing what it does:
https://vimeo.com/teamantumbra/antumbraglowpromo

That's kind of cute. I wonder if it works with multiple displays.

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
The full blue is definitely "too much" but I'm finding the sort of teal-y colour at a fairly low brightness is working well for me.

LUBE UP YOUR BUTT
Jun 30, 2008

NonzeroCircle posted:

I only installed them yesterday (and they were £6 so not breaking the bank here), if you balance the brightness of them against monitor brightness so they are about the same i found it less eye straining, and i normally have a soft lamp on in the room too so its not the only light source.

Its less overpowering when theres other light sources on the go.

There's more neutral colours on the strip i have that I'll try out, blue was for the pic. Its not gonna be on all the time anyway.

I tend to play guitar by my pc so its quite nice 'mood lighting' too. Its not to everyones taste (and i have very little taste) but I'm happy with it.

I loving hate blue LEDs and it looks like you've created the embodiment of hell :thumbsup:

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

GreatGreen posted:

So that rear-monitor lighting made me curious about what they can do. Google searching brought up this site: https://antumbra.io.

It's basically a small box you connect to your computer that takes an average of all the colors your monitor is displaying and shines that color against the wall so you have a backlight, but it's the same color as what's on the screen so it shouldn't be distracting so much as just something to help with ~*~my immersion~*~.

Here's the video showing what it does:
https://vimeo.com/teamantumbra/antumbraglowpromo

There's several ambient lighting solutions out there:

https://www.ambivision.tv/

http://ambiscreen.tv/

https://www.lightpack.tv/

http://www.dreamscreentv.com/

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

GreatGreen posted:

So that rear-monitor lighting made me curious about what they can do. Google searching brought up this site: https://antumbra.io.

It's basically a small box you connect to your computer that takes an average of all the colors your monitor is displaying and shines that color against the wall so you have a backlight, but it's the same color as what's on the screen so it shouldn't be distracting so much as just something to help with ~*~my immersion~*~.

Here's the video showing what it does:
https://vimeo.com/teamantumbra/antumbraglowpromo

Hah! amBX all over again. I left an amBX kit in my parents' loft.. It worked exactly as everyone imagines such a thing should work, but it came and went in popularity, and Philips supported it pretty badly in terms of software, one had to use some third party software to make it work properly. Still, it was badass when I used to use XP (the software wouldn't work under Aero).

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Every time I see a sign at a business or strip mall that uses blue lights, that looks blurry from any distance, I get irrationally angry.

I also can't read the display on my Samsung range unless I'm right in front of it.

Blue lights are the worst.

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Jealous Cow posted:

Blue lights are the worst.

and how
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS61CyzFlxQ

poemdexter
Feb 18, 2005

Hooray Indie Games!

College Slice

NonzeroCircle posted:

I only installed them yesterday (and they were £6 so not breaking the bank here), if you balance the brightness of them against monitor brightness so they are about the same i found it less eye straining, and i normally have a soft lamp on in the room too so its not the only light source.

Its less overpowering when theres other light sources on the go.

There's more neutral colours on the strip i have that I'll try out, blue was for the pic. Its not gonna be on all the time anyway.

I tend to play guitar by my pc so its quite nice 'mood lighting' too. Its not to everyones taste (and i have very little taste) but I'm happy with it.

Good luck falling asleep at night with a blue tint on the wall.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
Lord knows power switches are still decades away from being widely distributed.

Also: many people have multiple rooms in their house or apartment. If you live in a filing cabinet maybe your concern is valid.

poemdexter
Feb 18, 2005

Hooray Indie Games!

College Slice

HEY NONG MAN posted:

Lord knows power switches are still decades away from being widely distributed.

Also: many people have multiple rooms in their house or apartment. If you live in a filing cabinet maybe your concern is valid.

No, blue light fucks with your body's natural "it's sleepy time" mechanic. I run a tool called f.lux on my PC so that it tints the screen after dusk so that I start getting sleepy at an appropriate time instead of getting off the computer at 2am and not being able to fall asleep in a reasonable time.

https://justgetflux.com/research.html

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

~*lukecagefan69*~


Pillbug

poemdexter posted:

No, blue light fucks with your body's natural "it's sleepy time" mechanic. I run a tool called f.lux on my PC so that it tints the screen after dusk so that I start getting sleepy at an appropriate time instead of getting off the computer at 2am and not being able to fall asleep in a reasonable time.

https://justgetflux.com/research.html

So you're suggesting I purposely screw up my monitor's carefully set color calibration instead of just drinking myself to sleep every night?

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.

pr0zac posted:

So you're suggesting I purposely screw up my monitor's carefully set color calibration instead of just drinking myself to sleep every night?

During the hours of sunset and later? Yes.

Or stop using your computer altogether around sunset every day.

Or keep using it and screw up your circadian rhythm.


Those are pretty much your three choices. Like it or not you're going to have to make one of them, voluntarily or not.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

pr0zac posted:

So you're suggesting I purposely screw up my monitor's carefully set color calibration instead of just drinking myself to sleep every night?

If you're not doing something where color accuracy really matters, why not? It's not like it's permanent, if you find yourself needing to jump in to Photoshop at 3 AM you can disable it for an hour or until sunrise with two clicks on the tray icon. Outside of the rare times where you need color accuracy late at night it makes the display less harsh on the eyes.

The effect on sleep is less clear, some argue the glow of the screen is still pretty bad regardless of the color temperature, but it's definitely plausible.

I use it mostly for eyestrain reasons, since I'm a night owl but I don't want to have to keep my lights at full brightness all night. f.lux and its ilk allow me to have my room lighting dimmed while still being comfortable.

After you've used it for a little while you get used to it and unchanged screens look bright blue in comparison.

Barry
Aug 1, 2003

Hardened Criminal
f.lux is great and there really aren't any super compelling reasons to not use it. If you need color accuracy, just disable it for a bit.

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
I just turn down the brightness of my monitor at night because I don't slavishly believe every idiot marketing ploy I read. I mean, just look at this retarded poo poo:

quote:

Ever notice how people texting at night have that eerie blue glow?

Or wake up ready to write down the Next Great Idea, and get blinded by your computer screen?

During the day, computer screens look good—they're designed to look like the sun. But, at 9PM, 10PM, or 3AM, you probably shouldn't be looking at the sun.

lmao

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.
Yeah the demos of the product always turn it on way too high and make it seem like the program puts this really distracting reddish-coral / rose gold filter over everything. It *can* do that if you want but you can also set it to actually sane, subtle levels so that after a minute or two the screen will honestly look closer to neutral than without it.

Personally I think my monitors look harsh and overly blue when I turn flux off.

Barry
Aug 1, 2003

Hardened Criminal

at the date posted:

I just turn down the brightness of my monitor at night because I don't slavishly believe every idiot marketing ploy I read. I mean, just look at this retarded poo poo:


lmao

I'm sure you've done all the work to debunk their extensively cited claims: https://justgetflux.com/research.html

For a completely free program that is totally unobtrusive.

But yeah, it's all marketing.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


I always turn on night shift on my iPhone at night because the normal color temp is too harsh

poemdexter
Feb 18, 2005

Hooray Indie Games!

College Slice
fwiw, I found myself getting sleepy at night after starting to use it years ago. Before that, I would just stay up programming and then try to force myself to go to sleep at 2am and end up sitting in bed waiting to get tired. Even if it's a placebo thing, I still use it. It's free and worth a shot.

foutre
Sep 4, 2011

:toot: RIP ZEEZ :toot:

at the date posted:

I just turn down the brightness of my monitor at night because I don't slavishly believe every idiot marketing ploy I read. I mean, just look at this retarded poo poo:


lmao

I mean, it's not saying that it like damages your eyes like looking at the sun, but that blue light has an effect on our circadian rhythm in a way that's similar to sunlight.

This is a pretty well-researched effect, as per the links, try reading one of the articles instead; they give a more in depth explanation that backs up the claims in a much more in depth way.

Turning down brightness is probably a good call too though!

E: and yeah, it's honestly just pleasant to use, and although it's hard to exactly quantify putting filters on all my various devices at night definitely has helped my sleep.

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Barry posted:

I'm sure you've done all the work to debunk their extensively cited claims: https://justgetflux.com/research.html

For a completely free program that is totally unobtrusive.

But yeah, it's all marketing.

Literally the only links they offer between the well-established, common-sense fact that "bright light interferes with sleeping patterns" and the claim "you will sleep better looking at a yellow screen instead of a white screen using f.lux" are the two studies under the heading "Mental activation and sleep." They were both funded and/or conducted by Japanese companies that sell lighting products. But good job getting snowed by a pile of irrelevant study titles.

Barry
Aug 1, 2003

Hardened Criminal

at the date posted:

Literally the only links they offer between the well-established, common-sense fact that "bright light interferes with sleeping patterns" and the claim "you will sleep better looking at a yellow screen instead of a white screen using f.lux" are the two studies under the heading "Mental activation and sleep." They were both funded and/or conducted by Japanese companies that sell lighting products. But good job getting snowed by a pile of irrelevant study titles.

Yeah they sure showed me. I should ask for a refund on my $0 invested and years of improved sleep.

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Barry posted:

Yeah they sure showed me. I should ask for a refund on my $0 invested and years of improved sleep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE83c5_oNzM&t=177s

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

f.lux is cool and good and it makes my eyes hurt less.

Bill Barber
Aug 26, 2015

Hot Rope Guy

Steakandchips posted:

f.lux is cool and good and it makes my eyes hurt less.
sheeple

poemdexter
Feb 18, 2005

Hooray Indie Games!

College Slice
Welp, it looks like I've been bamboozled by a product that has helped me just like it said it would. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

B-Nasty
May 25, 2005

Blue/UV blocking glasses (https://www.amazon.com/Uvex-Blocking-Computer-Glasses-SCT-Orange/dp/B000USRG90) work way better than Flux, but as a downside, you look like a huge dork. I suppose that's not a problem if your computer area is littered with anime dolls, stuffed animals, and jizz socks.

Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008





poemdexter posted:

Welp, it looks like I've been bamboozled by a product that has helped me just like it said it would. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah flux is the best thing that has happened to computing for me pretty much ever. Default install on every device I set up now. If you don't like it, don't use it - but it has helped me and many others with sleep/eye strain.

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.
All I know is that with flux the whites on my screen look perfectly white with it on, and I can use my monitor comfortably at night in a minimally lit room, or even with no lights on at all, and if I turn it off I have to squint like a motherfucker at my screen.

You can say "it's all marketing" all you want but you just sound like an idiot in a thread full of people giving first hand testimonials about how well it works and how much they like it.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

GreatGreen posted:

You can say "it's all marketing" all you want but you just sound like an idiot in a thread full of people giving first hand testimonials about how well it works and how much they like it.

I wouldn't say that's the greatest argument, considering a thread full of people giving first-hand testimonials is also the main marketing method of pretty much every bullshit medical thing.

The fact that no one's trying to sell anything is probably a better case here. It's a small freeware utility that doesn't display ads, with only a polite request for donations on the web site. No one stands to benefit from tricking people.

Photex
Apr 6, 2009




just as a note...both Google and Apple have added night modes to all of the latest releases so yeah..

Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014
The ancient Cyanogen Mod on my equally ancient Nexus One also supports display tinting out of the box. And for people who dislike f.lux for not being open source and for pretending that this is somehow difficult ("patent pending" :lol:), redshift exists which is intended for Linux but by now apparently also somewhat works on Windows.

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pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

~*lukecagefan69*~


Pillbug
Seems like the jury is still out regarding F.lux. Think I'll stick with my fifth of jack a night for now.

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