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Wizchine: Sep 17, 2007; Television is the retina
of the mind's eye.

Well, divine mandate is an oldie-but-a-goody in the authoritarian playbook - I just didn't imagine anyone was going to dust it off in a 21st-century republic.

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Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

How would Hilary Clinton handle Duterte as President?

# ? Oct 29, 2016 00:00

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

Grouchio posted:

How would Hilary Clinton handle Duterte as President?

"Can't we just drone this guy?"

# ? Oct 29, 2016 00:47

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

Brannock posted:

"Can't we just drone this guy?"

That's exactly what I'd wonder.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 01:16

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

House to approve death penalty bill before Christmas break

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TOKYO� Before it goes on Christmas break, the House of Representatives plans to approve on third and final reading a bill that would bring back the death penalty, a priority measure of President Rodrigo Duterte, who has often threatened to kill criminals.

Speaker Pantaleon Alvarez said the House would work to approve state-sanctioned killings of drug convicts and those involved in heinous crimes.

�I don�t know with the Senate, I don�t control it, but as far as the House is concerned, we will approve it before the Christmas break,� Alvarez told reporters in Tokyo, where he joined Mr. Duterte on his official visit to Japan.

He said the House plans to leave it up to the executive to set the method for executing hardened criminals.

�If they want to hang them, shoot them by firing squad, it�s up to them. The criminals would be dead either way,� he said.

He also defended the controversial measure, saying it did not work before because the state did not kill enough criminals when it was in effect.

He noted that critics of the death penalty often insisted that it was not a deterrent to crime.

�Before they speak, they should look at the record first. How many were killed? It had not been a deterrent because they kept on objecting, so it was not implemented,� he told reporters in Tokyo, where he joined Mr. Duterte in his official visit to Japan.

It would have been different had it been implemented properly, he said.

�What if it had been implemented like in Indonesia, where you will be executed if they say so?� he asked.

Mr. Duterte himself made a fresh pitch for the death penalty when he spoke before the Filipino community in Japan, whom he faced upon arrival in Tokyo, where he railed against criminals who prey on innocent, hard-working Filipinos.

He also responded to the contention that the death penalty had not been effective when it was in place.

�They said, �Duterte, the death penalty was in place and nothing happened, it was all the same. Why do you want to bring it back?�� he said.

�Fool� I was not the President back then. Had I been the President, we won�t have to talk about this now,� he added.

Capital punishment in the Philippines was abolished in 2006 during the term of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, who approved the measure because it did not serve to deter crime.

The 1987 Constitution states that the death penalty should not be imposed unless, for compelling reasons involving heinous crimes, Congress provides for it.

Brannock posted:

"Can't we just drone this guy?"

Someone make a kickstarter and you wouldn't even have to pay it for it yourselves.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 01:39

Mr.Unique-Name: Jul 5, 2002

quote:

He also defended the controversial measure, saying it did not work before because the state did not kill enough criminals when it was in effect.

Well, he's right. I mean, if you just kill everybody then you will stop crime entirely.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 02:27

ihatepants: Nov 5, 2011; Let the burning of pants commence. These things drive me nuts.

The death penalty is such a loving terrible idea in the Philippines because there's no jury and judges are also so loving corrupt and get bribed all the loving time.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 02:44

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

ihatepants posted:

The death penalty is such a loving terrible idea in the Philippines because there's no jury and judges are also so loving corrupt and get bribed all the loving time.

I do not believe he considers this a negative.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 03:00

ocrumsprug: Sep 23, 2010; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

It probably doesn't really matter since it is current government policy to hire criminals to murder other criminals in the street. The death penalty being legal of not seems to be a weird thing to be concerned about. (Either way.)

E: imagine scare quotes around vast tracks of this post.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 04:02

Demiurge4: Aug 10, 2011

Yeah there's no way Duterte doesn't go full dictator. Extra judicial killings are never just for show.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 04:37

Argue: Sep 29, 2005; I represent the Philippines

Let's sell our product by capitalizing on the extrajudicial killing craze

# ? Oct 29, 2016 06:54

toasterwarrior: Nov 11, 2011

Argue posted:

Let's sell our product by capitalizing on the extrajudicial killing craze

what the gently caress

# ? Oct 29, 2016 08:15

TheDeadlyShoe: Feb 14, 2014

the story about that mayor is such blatant bullshit.

how does 'His guards opened fire first at the police checkpoint, and then the police unfortunately killed all 10 of them without taking any casualties,, and here's the huge crates of shabu he was carrying!' pass anyone's smell test, ever.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 08:21

chird: Sep 26, 2004

I also like that according to the officer, ALL ten of the men were found wounded in the cars, yet ALL ten of them died while being rushed to hospital. Geez, what bad luck!

# ? Oct 29, 2016 09:24

MrNemo: Aug 26, 2010; "I just love beeting off"

I'm not the world's biggest fan of the catholic church but is the church in the Philippines opposing the death penalty reintroduction? Considering the effort put in to opposing sex education I'd hope they're following the official church position a bit.

Who am I kidding? I'm sure they're keeping shtum on this because they don't want to answer the president.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 11:08

Argue: Sep 29, 2005; I represent the Philippines

They actually have spoken out against the death penalty. Somewhat surprisingly, they're the ones whom I perceive are losing favor over this rather than Duterte, but that's probably why they're also not pushing anywhere near as hard as they were pushing against the RH bill. Certainly, my religious pro-Duterte friends don't seem bothered by the death penalty.

With such strange bedfellows as these, 2016 is backwards indeed.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 11:16

Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

Has Pope Benedict said anything regarding Duterte's killing spree? I'm sure the pope would condemn blatant violations of human rights in a predominately Catholic nation but I haven't seen anything about it.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 18:13

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Darkman Fanpage posted:

Has Pope Benedict said anything regarding Duterte's killing spree? I'm sure the pope would condemn blatant violations of human rights in a predominately Catholic nation but I haven't seen anything about it.

He'll start his own, better Catholic Church, and invite Russia and China

# ? Oct 29, 2016 18:22

BabyFur Denny: Mar 18, 2003

I think the Philippines is one of the few countries left where being excommunicated by the pope would actually still mean something.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 18:28

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

BabyFur Denny posted:

I think the Philippines is one of the few countries left where being excommunicated by the pope would actually still mean something.

How would the population react if Duterte was excommunicated?

# ? Oct 29, 2016 18:27

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Darkman Fanpage posted:

Has Pope Benedict said anything regarding Duterte's killing spree? I'm sure the pope would condemn blatant violations of human rights in a predominately Catholic nation but I haven't seen anything about it.

It'd be a bit difficult for Pope Benedict to comment on Duterte's presidency, considering he only got in this year. :v:

# ? Oct 29, 2016 19:31

Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

Darth Walrus posted:

It'd be a bit difficult for Pope Benedict to comment on Duterte's presidency, considering he only got in this year.

Yeah and he's already unleashed a wave of extrajudicial killings against some of the most marginalized members of society.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 19:53

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Darkman Fanpage posted:

Yeah and he's already unleashed a wave of extrajudicial killings against some of the most marginalized members of society.

You missed the joke.

Now, Pope Francis? Well, there was that whole kerfuffle with Duterte calling him a 'son of a whore', but I don't think that Francis himself has waded in yet.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 19:57

Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

I got my popes mixed up :doh:

# ? Oct 29, 2016 20:07

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Francis would just roll with it like "whores are beautiful people who suffer unspeakable indignity with immense grace" and then I'd be worried about any time he went near PH.

# ? Oct 30, 2016 09:38

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Brannock posted:

"Can't we just drone this guy?"

I prefer a legal coup.

# ? Oct 30, 2016 11:49

GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

Darth Walrus posted:

It'd be a bit difficult for Pope Benedict to comment on Duterte's presidency, considering he only got in this year.

He's still alive and referred to as Pope Benedict so I don't see why not...

# ? Oct 30, 2016 12:01

Rated PG-34: Jul 1, 2004

Crowsbeak posted:

I prefer a legal coup.

Good ol' oxymorons.

I suppose they're legal in the sense that the law doesn't apply.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 13:40

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-usa-rifles-idUSKBN12V2AM

Exclusive: U.S. stopped Philippines rifle sale that senator opposed

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The U.S. State Department halted the planned sale of some 26,000 assault rifles to the Philippines' national police after Senator Ben Cardin said he would oppose it, Senate aides told Reuters on Monday.

Aides said Cardin, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was reluctant for the United States to provide the weapons given concerns about human rights violations in the Philippines.

The relationship between the United States and the Philippines, a long-time ally, has been complicated lately by President Rodrigo Duterte's angry reaction to criticism from Washington of his violent battle to rid the country of illegal drugs.

More than 2,300 people have been killed in police operations or by suspected vigilantes in connection with the anti-narcotics campaign since Duterte took office on June 30.

The U.S. State Department informs Congress when international weapons sales are in the works. Aides said Foreign Relations committee staff informed State that Cardin would oppose the deal during the department's prenotification process for the sale of 26,000-27,000 assault rifles, stopping the deal.

State Department officials did not comment.

Earlier this month, Duterte told U.S. President Barack Obama to "go to hell" and said the United States had refused to sell some weapons to his country, but he did not care because Russia and China were willing suppliers.

According to some U.S. officials, Washington has been doing its best to ignore Duterte's rhetoric and not provide him with a pretext for more outbursts.

(Additional reporting by David Brunnstrom, editing by David Gregorio)

# ? Nov 1, 2016 02:33

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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Expect a massive baby shitfit soon

# ? Nov 1, 2016 04:46

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

To add context to the idea of "Pinoy Pride", I offer this article:

Did you know? Chicago Cubs shortstop is half-Pinoy

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Count Addison Russell among rising international athletes with Filipino blood.

It turns out that the Chicago Cubs shortstop is born to a Filipino mother -- and Russel is proud of that fact.

In a Mother's Day tribute article back in May 2016, Russell credited his mother Milany and his father for helping him grow up to become who he is today.

"With my mom and dad being so young, and having to go through a lot of struggles and overcoming a lot of struggles together, I think that's what has driven me to this point," he told MLB.com.

"They were just trying to live their lives, and not for themselves but for their kids. They were a loving family."

Incidentally, Russell's wife Melisa is also half-Pinoy.

If Chicago succeeds to end a 108-year World Series drought against Cleveland Indians, he will become only the third player with Pinoy heritage to win baseball's highest prize in recent history.

Jason Bartlett was the first Filipino-blooded player to win the World Series with the Tampa Bay Rays in 2008, while Tim Linceum won three with the San Francisco Giants in 2010, 2012, and 2014.

Local media does this sort of thing all the time, where as soon as someone is a topical hit, they look for any sort of link between them and the Philippines, sanguinary or otherwise. When Singapore's Joseph Schooling won big in the Olympics, the news was quick to point out that he was raised by a Filipina maid.

# ? Nov 1, 2016 04:57

Argue: Sep 29, 2005; I represent the Philippines

Oh, are we doing Pinoy Prideposting now? Here, check out how Filipinos factored into the creation of Harry Potter:

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JKR wrote �Harry Potter� in cafe owned by Filipina

The scrawls on the walls ranged from the straightforward (�I love Harry�), to the life-affirming (�I was definitely not supposed to be a muggle�), to the emotional: �Thank you JKR for making my childhood magical.�

So imagine my surprise when, after ordering another Mallow Delight and musing over Rowling�s creative genius, my sister informed me that The Elephant House is, in fact, owned by a Filipino woman, Aida Valdez Taylor, and her Scottish husband.

The news that a member of my nationality also owned The Elephant House, a place that I already felt a great affinity for on account of being a Harry Potter devotee, further cemented my affinity for the cafe. Filipino-owned, all the way in Scotland!

# ? Nov 1, 2016 05:11

Wizchine: Sep 17, 2007; Television is the retina
of the mind's eye.

Argue posted:

Oh, are we doing Pinoy Prideposting now? Here, check out how Filipinos factored into the creation of Harry Potter:

That's some sad six-degrees of separation poo poo.

# ? Nov 1, 2016 08:50

Deep State of Mind: Jul 30, 2006; "It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."; Fun Shoe

Harry Potter is a son of a whore

# ? Nov 1, 2016 21:56

CronoGamer: May 15, 2004; why did this happen

Voldemort killed three million muggles... there are three million drug addicts, I'd be happy to slaughter them.

# ? Nov 1, 2016 22:50

Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005

It's weird how both Duterte and Trump do this thing where they'll invent specific dialogue when describing the things their opponents say/think about them. Like, instead of Duterte saying "They say I'm a bad person", he'll say "They say to me 'Duterte, you're a bad person.'" It's a strange habit.

# ? Nov 1, 2016 23:24

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Ytlaya posted:

It's weird how both Duterte and Trump do this thing where they'll invent specific dialogue when describing the things their opponents say/think about them. Like, instead of Duterte saying "They say I'm a bad person", he'll say "They say to me 'Duterte, you're a bad person.'" It's a strange habit.

It's an oratory thing. You never say things like 'I'm a bad person' because people may remember it, even subconciously, or quote you out of context (though with Trump and Duterte, quoting them normally works just fine). You instead say, 'you're a bad person', even when talking about yourself, to avoid it.

You never want it to cross the listener's mind that hey, maybe he is a bad person. So you make someone the listeners already don't like or trust 'say' it.

# ? Nov 1, 2016 23:30

seiferguy: Jun 9, 2005; FLAWED
INTUITION; Toilet Rascal

gradenko_2000 posted:

To add context to the idea of "Pinoy Pride", I offer this article:

Did you know? Chicago Cubs shortstop is half-Pinoy

Local media does this sort of thing all the time, where as soon as someone is a topical hit, they look for any sort of link between them and the Philippines, sanguinary or otherwise. When Singapore's Joseph Schooling won big in the Olympics, the news was quick to point out that he was raised by a Filipina maid.

Tampa Bay didn't win the world series in 2008 either! They lost to the Phillies. Jason Barlett is a fraud!

# ? Nov 1, 2016 23:34

Monday_: Feb 18, 2006; Worked-up silent dork without sex ability seeks oblivion and demise.; The Great Twist

My boss is Filipino and he loving loves Duterte. It takes every ounce of self control I have not to tell him that if his people elected this guy and are happy with him, then they're a bunch of dumb fucks and maybe that's why the place is a third world shithole.

But I'll just post it on the internet instead.

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webmeister: Jan 31, 2007; The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Prism posted:

It's an oratory thing. You never say things like 'I'm a bad person' because people may remember it, even subconciously, or quote you out of context (though with Trump and Duterte, quoting them normally works just fine). You instead say, 'you're a bad person', even when talking about yourself, to avoid it.

You never want it to cross the listener's mind that hey, maybe he is a bad person. So you make someone the listeners already don't like or trust 'say' it.

The classic example of this is Richard Nixon. As soon as he said "I'm not a crook" -- everyone just assumed he was a crook. He's still associated with that word now, 45 years later!

# ? Nov 2, 2016 00:40

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