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Cingulate posted:The non-retina Macbooks are kind of a poo poo. The later rMBPs however are amazing. On the contrary, I love my mid-2012 non-retina MBP. I was considering upgrading this year so I can kick this one up to my Mom, but now... ugh. From 2013-2015 none of the upgrades were large enough to persuade me, when I used to Craigslist shuffle Macs every two years. This laptop has been a tank that's handled everything I've thrown at it, but the GPU is starting to reach its limit after 4 years.
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Oct 30, 2016 22:26
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So I tried to 13" non touchbar MacBook Pro out today the the Apple Store Trackpad didn't seem that YUUUUGEEE but then again I never felt the previous ones were small. The 15" one seems to be much bigger. Maybe the 13" non-touchbar one is the same as prev models? The Taptic Engine feedback actually feels pretty good and close to an actual click. The 12" MacBook felt off maybe because of the slightly smaller size? The butterfly keyboard is still a no go for me. It travels more than a 12", but way less than prev Pro. If you're a fast typer and that's important to you, you'll be slowed down. Maybe this is a practice thing and you just have to get used to it but I'm not going to pay to find out. The Apple Logo w/out backlight looks like it'll be a huge fingerprint magnet. The one I looked at had a lot of smudges/fingerprints. It felt kinda lighter? Not really sure the lightness was worth it for a smaller battery. I saw a touchbar 15" behind a glass case and the touchbar just seems kinda tiny. I'm interested if it's going to get used or if it'll just be like 3d touch. none of what I saw really changed my mind. the lack of a sd reader is a no go for me. keyboard could be bearable. screen still looks nice. i kinda wish this was their normal macbook line and the "PRO" line was thicker with more battery and still some other ports. i guess apple is really banking on people buying a whole bunch of dongles until more usb-c stuff gets released.
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Oct 30, 2016 22:38
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What's the deal with the keyboard? No travel?
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Oct 30, 2016 22:41
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MobileTechReview youtube review of the stock 13" is out - she doesn't sound that happy, though the Geekbench scores are interesting. Seems like the entry-level i5 is about as fast as the 13" i7 from the previous generation. Really interested to see how the 28W parts bench when those units ship. Also curious to see how much worse the battery life is on the higher-end models.
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Oct 30, 2016 22:45
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Strong Sauce posted:i kinda wish this was their normal macbook line and the "PRO" line was thicker with more battery and still some other ports. Strong Sauce posted:i guess apple is really banking on people buying a whole bunch of dongles until more usb-c stuff gets released. Luceo posted:On the contrary, I love my mid-2012 non-retina MBP. I was considering upgrading this year so I can kick this one up to my Mom, but now... ugh. From 2013-2015 none of the upgrades were large enough to persuade me, when I used to Craigslist shuffle Macs every two years. This laptop has been a tank that's handled everything I've thrown at it, but the GPU is starting to reach its limit after 4 years.
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Oct 30, 2016 22:47
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Tab8715 posted:What's the deal with the keyboard? No travel? Yeah these new switches are shallower. I would say they're now between the 12" Macbooks and the prev gen chiclet keyboards. Since the 12" keys are pretty much just a slight bump, just imagine the height of a Mac chiclet keyboard halved and you have it.
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Oct 30, 2016 22:48
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Is the Non-Touchbar available for testing in stores?
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Oct 30, 2016 22:51
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Tab8715 posted:What's the deal with the keyboard? No travel? I haven't used the new one yet but the MacBook is like a surface touch keyboard or something, the buttons are barely there
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Oct 30, 2016 23:00
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Tab8715 posted:Is the Non-Touchbar available for testing in stores? Strong Sauce posted:So I tried to 13" non touchbar MacBook Pro out today the the Apple Store
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Oct 30, 2016 23:01
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Cingulate posted:The non-retina Pro's are huge and have terrible battery. (Compared to the retina Pro.)
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Oct 30, 2016 23:02
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Tab8715 posted:Is the Non-Touchbar available for testing in stores? The YUUUGEEE Apple Store in SF only had 1 model. Another 15" touchbar was behind a glass enclosure. I'm guessing at best the stores have one of them to test out. Cingulate posted:Please no. Eh, yeah that's why we have a iPhone with a USB-C port... USB-C is the future. But it isn't as though HDMI, USB3, or SD cards are decades old and should just be retired. I guess time will tell if Apple doing this "forces" USB-C to become ubiquitous or if it just "forces" consumers to buy a whole bunch of dongles.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:02
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eames posted:It doesn't work, not even in Windows. That seems to be more because Apple hasn't updated Boot Camp to support the new hardware, so I'm not ready to write it off yet. The Razer seems overpriced anyway. The Devil Box seems alright for price.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:04
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Strong Sauce posted:The YUUUGEEE Apple Store in SF only had 1 model. Another 15" touchbar was behind a glass enclosure. I'm guessing at best the stores have one of them to test out.  Strong Sauce posted:Eh, yeah that's why we have a iPhone with a USB-C port... But it's a necessary growing pain. And who else is willing to do this? Without Apple, would we still have LAN ports in our 5 pound laptops? Not saying this one is a safe bet - maybe it will fail and the next gen will have 2 USB-A ports again.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:06
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Unlikely, USB-C is the future and nearly everyone is onboard but someone had to pull the trigger.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:15
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We had to get rid of optical drives and Ethernet because they no longer physically fit. There's no reason to not keep HDMI around.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:15
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Bob Morales posted:We had to get rid of optical drives and Ethernet because they no longer physically fit. There's no reason to not keep HDMI around.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:22
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Cingulate posted:The non-retina Pro's are huge and have terrible battery. (Compared to the retina Pro.) If you say so. I find this laptop to be laptop-sized and it has plenty of battery for the times I need to use it on battery. I was also able to upgrade the RAM, swap in my own SSD, and replace the optical drive with the original spinny drive to have 1.25 TB of storage internally. All of that upgradeability is lost for the sake of thinness and selling more laptops. So, no, this laptop is not poo poo considering that it's lasted me four years already and has been the best computer I've ever owned. But there's no good option to replace it, which is perplexing in 2016.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:23
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Bob Morales posted:We had to get rid of optical drives and Ethernet because they no longer physically fit. There's no reason to not keep HDMI around. Did you really expect HDMI to last with Airplay around? I see ATVs on a presentation carts all the time. Works great for everyone in the Apple ecosystem, adapter-free. We even use them for minor ingestion of stills and video in the network TV facilities where I work. It's magic.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:26
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Luceo posted:All of that upgradeability is lost for the sake of thinness and selling more laptops.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:27
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Cingulate posted:Can't that end up with USB-C eventually too? (I have no idea about ports.) Yea but it's so nice having the built in port on my Retina
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Oct 30, 2016 23:31
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Whomever joked that the startup chime was next to go was prophetic. http://www.iclarified.com/57557/apple-kills-the-mac-startup-chime-with-the-new-macbook-pro
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Oct 30, 2016 23:37
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Look at this weird SSD Also they got rid of the startup chime? I know the iPad wakes up when you open the Smart Cover but I don't want my Mac turning on when I open it if its powered off. https://pingie.com/2016/10/28/apple-says-goodbye-to-the-startup-chime-with-the-new-macbook-pro/
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Oct 30, 2016 23:38
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So am I understanding correctly that even the ultra-high-end MBP15 only has USB-C? Meaning my existing power supplies won't work, and I have to get adapters for SD cards and HDMI, and get new connectors for my iPhone/iPad/Watch?
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Oct 30, 2016 23:40
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Cingulate posted:Why can't Apple stop trying to sell more laptops? What is this, capitalism? Yep, it is. They're free to become less consumer-friendly, and I'm free to point it out as bullshit and spend my money elsewhere. Oh, wait, not if I want to use macOS.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:47
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Do people still sync their iPads/iPhones with their computers? I don't think I've done that since the 3GS.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:51
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Luceo posted:Yep, it is. They're free to become less consumer-friendly, and I'm free to point it out as bullshit and spend my money elsewhere. Oh, wait, not if I want to use macOS. TraderStav posted:Whomever joked that the startup chime was next to go was prophetic.  bone app the teeth posted:Do people still sync their iPads/iPhones with their computers? I don't think I've done that since the 3GS.  Also it's not thin enough.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:52
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I'm glad the startup chime is gone. I've been removing it through a Terminal command for years.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:53
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Cingulate posted:Making them thinner is being customer friendly. It's a portable. It's a "Pro" portable as well, and thinness has reached diminishing returns, to a point where it's become a joke.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:53
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Mu Zeta posted:I'm glad the startup chime is gone. I've been removing it through a Terminal command for years. How do I do this?
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Oct 30, 2016 23:57
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bone app the teeth posted:Do people still sync their iPads/iPhones with their computers? I don't think I've done that since the 3GS. I backup my data to my computers. iCloud space is too small and I don't really trust Apple's cloud services.
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Oct 31, 2016 00:07
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Luceo posted:It's a "Pro" portable as well, and thinness has reached diminishing returns, to a point where it's become a joke. Thin is nice, but yeah. When it starts to interfere with things like key travel, you probably need to back off a skosh.
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Oct 31, 2016 00:09
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Luceo posted:It's a "Pro" portable as well, and thinness has reached diminishing returns, to a point where it's become a joke. Again: I carry my Air with me 4 hours a day. I'm drat glad it's as thin as it is, and I hope they can make it thinner.
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Oct 31, 2016 00:10
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Small White Dragon posted:So am I understanding correctly that even the ultra-high-end MBP15 only has USB-C? Meaning my existing power supplies won't work, and I have to get adapters for SD cards and HDMI, and get new connectors for my iPhone/iPad/Watch? What rock did you crawl out from under?
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Oct 31, 2016 00:12
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Cingulate posted:I'm sure a bunch of people thought that when the Air came out, and a bunch of people will say it when the first Pro is sub-1cm while being more powerful than today's model. When the first Air came out it was a slow piece of crap with a tiny HD, SSD which was actually slows in some benchmarks, it only had a single USB port and battery that barely lasted four hours. It took two revisions and they got to something usable with more ports (they even gave it an SD card), and real performance and battery life.
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Oct 31, 2016 00:17
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Cingulate posted:I'm sure a bunch of people thought that when the Air came out, and a bunch of people will say it when the first Pro is sub-1cm while being more powerful than today's model. Right, and you have an Air, a machine designed specifically to be as light and thin as possible. The Pro is ostensibly designed for people who need more power and are willing to sacrifice a little portability for it. But now they're saying that 32GB of memory requires too much power in their Pro laptop. 
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Luceo posted:Right, and you have an Air, a machine designed specifically to be as light and thin as possible. The Pro is ostensibly designed for people who need more power and are willing to sacrifice a little portability for it. But now they're saying that 32GB of memory requires too much power in their Pro laptop. If you really need more power, ssh into a real compute machine. Bob Morales posted:When the first Air came out it was a slow piece of crap with a tiny HD, SSD which was actually slows in some benchmarks, it only had a single USB port and battery that barely lasted four hours. Thank God they did that. All of it.
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Oct 31, 2016 00:22
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So you're saying that if Apple follows the Air playbook, sticks to their guns and keeps iterating on their vision in a year or two we're going to forget why we were even angry to begin with?
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Oct 31, 2016 00:34
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MrBond posted:So you're saying that if Apple follows the Air playbook, sticks to their guns and keeps iterating on their vision in a year or two we're going to forget why we were even angry to begin with? I'm saying Apple pissing people off is good, and I hope they never stop. (I'm not saying everything is perfect about what they do.)
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From 2010-2013 I was one of the Airs biggest fans and switched from a pro. Not sure why they never stuck a 1440x900 in the 13" Pro it seemed so obvious.
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