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KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Stick Insect posted:

Looks an awful lot like a RailDriver



Turns out they're made by the same company (P.I. Engineering), who make all kinds of input devices for special and custom applications. Jog wheel controllers, industrial applications, all kinds of stuff.

Both the RailDriver and the ShipDriver cost $200, apparently.

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EVIL NOONER
Oct 8, 2016

by exmarx

Kelp Me! posted:

I think this was posted a while back, but I'll see your boating sim controller and raise you the Steel Battalion setup:



Featuring individual buttons for poo poo like reload, windshield wipers, fire extinguisher, multi-channel communication, separate electronics startup and actual engine ignition, cockpit hatch, and about a billion other super-niche things.

I really wish this thing had gotten more popular. They have drivers to make it work on PC, but what game is going to use so many ultra-specific commands? Mapping the buttons on a per-game basis would be a nightmare.

Fun fact: the Eject button is under a flip-up plastic case, and if you didn't eject when your giant robot was destroyed, the game would perma-death you and delete your save :v:

elite:dangerous uses about that many buttons and lord only knows about star citizen

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


EVIL NOONER posted:

elite:dangerous uses about that many buttons and lord only knows about star citizen

Star Citizen has a control scheme?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

EVIL NOONER posted:

elite:dangerous uses about that many buttons and lord only knows about star citizen

Star Citizen uses zero buttons.

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer

EVIL NOONER posted:

elite:dangerous uses about that many buttons and lord only knows about star citizen

You can distill E:D down to a few buttons and your mouse though. Unno about Star Citizen though, don't really count tech demos with that poo poo.

This controller would own in something like Falcon BMS though because you can tie all those buttons to actual functions.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
I played maybe a dozen or two hours (a weekend or two) of KSP with a steel battalion controller.

Then I saw how much they were going for on eBay and sold it.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

Everything about Steel Battalion is amazing :allears:

Those one-handed controllers are pretty cool! How were they to actually use?

I once saw a single-handed 360 controller that was pretty neat. You use one of the analog sticks with your thumb like normal and the other one is on the underside and you push it against a surface like your thigh or an armrest to use it.

KozmoNaut posted:

A non-lovely N64 controller :aaa:


You say "non-lovely" but the first thing that came to mind when I saw this was that you can't play Mischief Makers or Pokemon Puzzle League with it :colbert:. Looks really handy for any game that doesn't need the D-pad though (i.e. all other good games for that system).


One of my friends had one of those "wingless" third-party controllers and it was poo poo because the analog stick just kept spinning around under your thumb. The Makopad looks rad but it was probably a piece of crap like most of them.


What the gently caress is this? :psyduck:

All this talk reminds me of hearing stories about people playing Final Fantasy or whatever with DDR pads in an attempt to exercise while gaming.

Mak0rz has a new favorite as of 21:58 on Oct 28, 2016

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

Kelp Me! posted:

I think this was posted a while back, but I'll see your boating sim controller and raise you the Steel Battalion setup:



Featuring individual buttons for poo poo like reload, windshield wipers, fire extinguisher, multi-channel communication, separate electronics startup and actual engine ignition, cockpit hatch, and about a billion other super-niche things.

I really wish this thing had gotten more popular. They have drivers to make it work on PC, but what game is going to use so many ultra-specific commands? Mapping the buttons on a per-game basis would be a nightmare.

Fun fact: the Eject button is under a flip-up plastic case, and if you didn't eject when your giant robot was destroyed, the game would perma-death you and delete your save :v:

Mine still works too! And the answer is Mechwarrior series

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Mak0rz posted:



All this talk reminds me of hearing stories about people playing Final Fantasy or whatever with DDR pads in an attempt to exercise while gaming.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HdWWhZ0hDM

e: New internet gaming theory: if there is a weird, game-specific controller, someone has beaten Dark Souls with it (see also: Samba de Amigo maracas, Guitar Hero guitar)

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


^^^^ I want to see him play using the Dreamcast maracas controllers, now.

Mak0rz posted:

Those one-handed controllers are pretty cool! How were they to actually use?

I've never used one, but from all accounts they're pretty good. Certainly better than trying to use a normal controller one-handed.

EVIL NOONER
Oct 8, 2016

by exmarx

Skoll posted:

You can distill E:D down to a few buttons and your mouse though. Unno about Star Citizen though, don't really count tech demos with that poo poo.

This controller would own in something like Falcon BMS though because you can tie all those buttons to actual functions.

you can but i kinda like pushing all sorts of buttons and flipping external lights on for no reason beep boop

that being said i get by fine with a joystick and kb/m

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


KozmoNaut posted:

E: I also found this. I have no idea who made it, or which system it was designed for (probably PC), but I want one.



I just got my grandfather who is a huge ship nerd to play World of Warships. I might have to buy that for him for Christmas for a laugh.

my turn in the barrel
Dec 31, 2007

my turn in the barrel posted:

In storage at my parents I have a room full of antique Marantz audio gear that I bought off a guy who was a Hi-Fi tech in the 1970s.

the 510M power amp

the 150 oscilloscope tuner so you could tune stations visually and examine your eq settings on the tube, it even has a switch so it displays quad inputs.

The 3200 preamp

an additional amp that acts as a +2 to allow rear channels for a quad setup

A pair of Ohm I speakers

I haven't turned it on in years and am afraid it'll pop all the capacitors when i do.



I finally got pictures of some of the HiFi crap I was talking about. I made a post with pictures of what i could get to in the Hifi thread.
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3021252&pagenumber=129&perpage=40#post465864304

Looks like my Gather Ye Acorns retirement plan is working
http://www.nbc.com/amazing-stories/video/gather-ye-acorns/2909107





my turn in the barrel posted:

I've never been but supposedly Galloping Ghost is an awesome arcade if any Chicagoons are feeling left out. Also Barcade but I've heard galloping ghost is better.

I finally went to Galloping Ghost. It was a shithole... :(

$15 all you can play. All the games are way too close together so you can't get anywhere because of all the gigantic fat dudes in silent bob trench coats.

The unlimited free play just meant that the few working games that weren't poo poo had people hogging them. The website says they had a fundraiser to build a pinball room with 9 tables. The only had 3 pinball games and all of them were broken. I asked and one guy tried to get the balls unstuck and said he got 2 running, I played creature from the black lagoon but the game was not level side to side and needs some serious maintenance, my wife played the other table but it immediately broke again.

Place was 90f and smelled of poo poo.

Underground Retrocade in Dundee has less games but most of theirs actually work and are spaced so you can move around. Also a real pinball room and no poo poo smell.

Still wish there was a Fun Spot or Pinball hall of fame quality arcade in IL.

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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


my turn in the barrel posted:

I finally got pictures of some of the HiFi crap I was talking about. I made a post with pictures of what i could get to in the Hifi thread.
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3021252&pagenumber=129&perpage=40#post465864304


I'm pretty pissed off at Matantz for not being able to find anything as far as old schematics/workshop manuals for you. I tried my state rep and the national service agent database (which I have access to still). :(

I want to see that old gear sing!

my turn in the barrel
Dec 31, 2007

Of the Marantz stuff I know either the 1180dc or the 1152dc had a dead channel, and the 510M fan was noisy last time I had it fired up. I never tried to troubleshoot either so I'm thinking at worst those are gonna be some caps and a fan to fix.

I'm more worried about firing up old stuff like that tube preamp. I had heard in the past that variac is useful for warming up tube gear that hasn't been used in a while and can even keep discharged caps from blowing up when turning idle IC amps back on after sitting.

I do know that the guy I bought everything from was a Marantz tech in the 1970s and still ran an electronics repair business and went over everything before he sold it to me and verified it worked. But that has been 10+years ago so I'm sure I will have some issues with dirty pots and bad caps.


Maybe I'll spring for a Variac

https://www.amazon.com/Circuit-Spec...8AFHKEJWJRWNG1J

I did find this at a thrift shop last week and it may come in handy.





It's a vintage Huntron Tracker 1005 B1-S component tester that allows you to check components based on their response to generated signals. Not sure 100% how it works yet but for $6 I figured I'd take it.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


my turn in the barrel posted:

I did find this at a thrift shop last week and it may come in handy.





It's a vintage Huntron Tracker 1005 B1-S component tester that allows you to check components based on their response to generated signals. Not sure 100% how it works yet but for $6 I figured I'd take it.

Gimme!

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer

my turn in the barrel posted:

Of the Marantz stuff I know either the 1180dc or the 1152dc had a dead channel, and the 510M fan was noisy last time I had it fired up. I never tried to troubleshoot either so I'm thinking at worst those are gonna be some caps and a fan to fix.

I'm more worried about firing up old stuff like that tube preamp. I had heard in the past that variac is useful for warming up tube gear that hasn't been used in a while and can even keep discharged caps from blowing up when turning idle IC amps back on after sitting.

I do know that the guy I bought everything from was a Marantz tech in the 1970s and still ran an electronics repair business and went over everything before he sold it to me and verified it worked. But that has been 10+years ago so I'm sure I will have some issues with dirty pots and bad caps.


Maybe I'll spring for a Variac

https://www.amazon.com/Circuit-Spec...8AFHKEJWJRWNG1J

I did find this at a thrift shop last week and it may come in handy.





It's a vintage Huntron Tracker 1005 B1-S component tester that allows you to check components based on their response to generated signals. Not sure 100% how it works yet but for $6 I figured I'd take it.

the picture so good it had to be posted thrice

EVIL NOONER
Oct 8, 2016

by exmarx

Trunko posted:

the picture so good it had to be posted thrice

its not the same picture

Arms_Akimbo
Sep 29, 2006

It's so damn...literal.
I wish I had known about those one handed controllers. My dad was an avid couch gamer but lost the use of the left side of his body in the mid 80s. He still played Nintendo, with his thumb on the d-pad and his pinkie on the A and B buttons, but he could no longer handle any games more complex than say Tetris or Pipe Dream. By the time we got a Genesis, he could no longer stretch and tap to keep up with the games, so he switched to pc. :-(

EVIL NOONER
Oct 8, 2016

by exmarx

Arms_Akimbo posted:

I wish I had known about those one handed controllers. My dad was an avid couch gamer but lost the use of the left side of his body in the mid 80s. He still played Nintendo, with his thumb on the d-pad and his pinkie on the A and B buttons, but he could no longer handle any games more complex than say Tetris or Pipe Dream. By the time we got a Genesis, he could no longer stretch and tap to keep up with the games, so he switched to pc. :-(

so your username is kind of a gently caress you to ur dad

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

EVIL NOONER posted:

so your username is kind of a gently caress you to ur dad

:eyepop:

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

my turn in the barrel posted:

Of the Marantz stuff I know either the 1180dc or the 1152dc had a dead channel, and the 510M fan was noisy last time I had it fired up. I never tried to troubleshoot either so I'm thinking at worst those are gonna be some caps and a fan to fix.

I'm more worried about firing up old stuff like that tube preamp. I had heard in the past that variac is useful for warming up tube gear that hasn't been used in a while and can even keep discharged caps from blowing up when turning idle IC amps back on after sitting.

I do know that the guy I bought everything from was a Marantz tech in the 1970s and still ran an electronics repair business and went over everything before he sold it to me and verified it worked. But that has been 10+years ago so I'm sure I will have some issues with dirty pots and bad caps.


Maybe I'll spring for a Variac

https://www.amazon.com/Circuit-Spec...8AFHKEJWJRWNG1J

I did find this at a thrift shop last week and it may come in handy.





It's a vintage Huntron Tracker 1005 B1-S component tester that allows you to check components based on their response to generated signals. Not sure 100% how it works yet but for $6 I figured I'd take it.

It plots I/V curves by putting a ramping up voltage across the part and then measuring the current that goes though. You can rig up an oscilloscope with an X/Y mode to do this with a transformer and some resistors (some people call this device an "Octopus") and you can characterize transistors, diodes, etc. with it. Also if you don't know precisely what the component is then you can tell from the shape on the screen because essentially every class of part has a different general shape of response to it.

my turn in the barrel
Dec 31, 2007

Thanks, I tried to find a manual and the company only offers a mail order CD with the manual as a PDF, bunch of dicks. After much googling I did find a pdf of the entire manual that has instructions for testing each different component and example signatures for good and bad parts.

Looks like it works best to compare multiples of the same component on a board. And since its a switching model you just clip leads to one part and can use the other channel to check all the matching parts a/b style.

Glad I dropped the $6

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!

EVIL NOONER posted:

so your username is kind of a gently caress you to ur dad

:perfect:

Gomi Day
Nov 15, 2007

Trust me, Bill. Large spectacles lend distinction to any countenance, as I have reason to know.
Plaster Town Cop

Skoll posted:

I can see an original gold NES cart of the Legend of Zelda going for that much.. Orcarina of Time? Get fuckin' lost.

Fuckin' video game collectors market has some insane gouge.

it's true, but... if people are willing to pay it.

like, i just sold a copy of burning rangers for the sega saturn for over 500 bucks. used with slight scratches.

a LOT of PSX and saturn games are worth way more than you might think, even if they aren't mint and sealed.
totally worth jumping on https://www.pricecharting.com/ or something and checking what you old games might be worth.

i've made out pretty well selling games i haven't touched in over ten years.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I've seen Metal Slug X cartridges priced up to $8,000. The home versions (AES) are usually significantly less expensive, it's the arcade (MVS) carts that really get people grabbing for the big bucks.

The Metal Slug series is awesome as hell, no doubt. But NeoGeo collectors are seriously crazy.

KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 18:13 on Oct 30, 2016

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

Isn't the gold cart Zelda more common and less valuable than the grey one?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I wonder what digital distribution now will do to video game collecting in future? Most people in the world still actually buy games of course, but there's a good bunch that have only ever been available on Steam etc.

e: They're probably all bad games though.

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KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I think the biggest problem will be games that simply cease to be available, because they get pulled from the platforms.

We've seen it with Prey and Wolfenstein 2009 already, they're gone from Steam because they ran out of product keys, and the rights owners either can't or won't generate any new ones.

The only way to get either game now if you don't have them in your Steam library already, is to find a physical copy somewhere. I have both games on DVD, and I'm glad that I do, because I think some great games could easily end up forgotten or ignored.

Another issue is with retroactive changes to games. The Steam version of GTA: San Andreas used to be the exact same as the original release on DVD. But Rockstar patched the game ~2 years ago to match the then-recently released HD version for Xbox 360, both are actually a port of the Android version of the game. It adds 360 controller support and higher resolutions, but it also messes up a few things and removes a number of tracks from the soundtrack. Most noticeably a lot of the graphics filters are gone, like the heat haze effect and sun glare.

http://www.pcgamer.com/grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-steam-update-removes-songs-resolution-options/

Luckily, the original PC version can still be found, and the PS2 version is probably for sale in most thrift shops. That's how I found my copy, and I think it's still the best version, even with the low resolution and long loading times :)

KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 01:36 on Oct 31, 2016

wafflemoose
Apr 10, 2009

As far as PC games are concerned, :filez: has it covered.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Starhawk64 posted:

As far as PC games are concerned, :filez: has it covered.

We were talking about collectors.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Unless you collect digital files, there wouldn't be anything to collect. Unless you want to show people your steam library.

Carrion Luggage
Nov 24, 2006

Starhawk64 posted:

As far as PC games are concerned, :filez: has it covered.

this was true, going forward it doesn't seem to be 100% so

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
The point of things like 100% cycle-accurate emulation is so that games can be preserved forever, long after the last bit of original hardware dies. PC games up to a point were relatively easy to keep alive since they run on the same architecture and usually included server software for direct connections and lan parties, but now companies are using enterprise-only servers as drm and to force upgrades a few years down the line.

Even if mostly-single-player games are cracked and have server emulation, what about online-only games? I haven't looked into it for a while, but i bet there's still no 100% accurate/functional/complete vanilla wow server. Hell, even if there is (and I frankly don't see how without raiding blizzard's tape backups), are there diffs for each content/rescaling patch that was ever released? what about things like one-off holiday events? love it or hate it, wow was absolutely huge in gaming and even a little in culture as a whole, but that part of history is lost forever

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Sentient Data posted:

The point of things like 100% cycle-accurate emulation is so that games can be preserved forever, long after the last bit of original hardware dies. PC games up to a point were relatively easy to keep alive since they run on the same architecture and usually included server software for direct connections and lan parties, but now companies are using enterprise-only servers as drm and to force upgrades a few years down the line.

Even if mostly-single-player games are cracked and have server emulation, what about online-only games? I haven't looked into it for a while, but i bet there's still no 100% accurate/functional/complete vanilla wow server. Hell, even if there is (and I frankly don't see how without raiding blizzard's tape backups), are there diffs for each content/rescaling patch that was ever released? what about things like one-off holiday events? love it or hate it, wow was absolutely huge in gaming and even a little in culture as a whole, but that part of history is lost forever

Oh yeah, the only way any MMOs are ever gonna be preserved is if all their server backups leak. That also leads to the question of what to do when trying to archive a long running game or MMO. Compare launch WoW with current WoW, or launch TF2 with current TF2. Which versions get backups?

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I'm getting the entire collection of GTA games for PS2 today, very reasonably priced.

So I've ordered a proper high-quality SCART RGB (with CSYNC) cable for my PS2 from Retro Gaming Cables in the UK, but I can't seem to find a reasonably-priced SCART RGB cable for my Wii. Everyone says to get the official Nintendo cable (RVL-013) because a lot of the third-party cables aren't actually RGB, just composite video, but Ebay is giving me nothing reasonably priced. And Amazon.de and other bigger international stores that happen to have it in stock won't ship electronics to other countries (so much for free movement of goods in the EU...).

If anyone has an RVL-013 cable they want to sell, I would be very interested.

E: There's a Russian dude on Ebay who's selling one for an almost-reasonable price. But you know, Russia.

KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 09:46 on Oct 31, 2016

1000 Brown M and Ms
Oct 22, 2008

F:\DL>quickfli 4-clowns.fli

Improbable Lobster posted:

Oh yeah, the only way any MMOs are ever gonna be preserved is if all their server backups leak. That also leads to the question of what to do when trying to archive a long running game or MMO. Compare launch WoW with current WoW, or launch TF2 with current TF2. Which versions get backups?

You're absolutely right for MMOs (and other online-only games), but I think it's a different story for other types of games. Storage is cheap after all, so it's not a big deal to make archives of all the versions of a given game.

I think the more interesting question is which version is the "definitive" version of a game. For many games, updated versions were pretty much bug fixes, but take a game like Diablo II for example. There are a few different versions and they can play very differently, so some people prefer earlier versions over later versions. That's not even getting into classic vs expansion.

What about a game like Factorio, which is currently in development even though it's pretty much feature complete as of a few versions ago? v0.12 is very different to v0.13, and the upcoming v0.15 looks very different again. It can be a very subjective thing.

yoloer420
May 19, 2006

1000 Brown M and Ms posted:



What about a game like Factorio, which is currently in development even though it's pretty much feature complete as of a few versions ago? v0.12 is very different to v0.13, and the upcoming v0.15 looks very different again. It can be a very subjective thing.

Does it matter? Just archive every version.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Sometimes you just want to fire up Diablo II v1.0 and go to murdertown with a pike-wielding whirlwind barbarian in glorious 640x480 :black101:

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1000 Brown M and Ms
Oct 22, 2008

F:\DL>quickfli 4-clowns.fli

yoloer420 posted:

Does it matter? Just archive every version.

Of course, I was more thinking aloud about what could be considered the "definitive" version of a given game. Archiving is the easy part.

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