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AlphaKretin posted:I did a lovely crop job if anyone wanted an avatar. [modedit: OP was very clear about no friggin' spoilers, even behind tags! (Repost this later. Much later.) -fedule] Somebody fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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I kind of want to buy that as an avatar.
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Oct 30, 2016 23:18
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Let me guess - that's the envelope Edgeworth refused delivery of?
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Oct 31, 2016 06:38
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I have to say, so far I'm not a fan of Rise from the Ashes. It feels like it has no punch to it since it's so long, especially compared to 1-4 which was complicated but moved on at a reasonable clip.
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Oct 31, 2016 12:18
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Yorkshire Tea posted:I have to say, so far I'm not a fan of Rise from the Ashes. It feels like it has no punch to it since it's so long, especially compared to 1-4 which was complicated but moved on at a reasonable clip. Yeah, it's more like an entire half a game all its own; not enough for a full game based on it, but way too much to be a single "chapter". They made it to promote the fourth game after the third game happened, even if it's chronologically in the right place here, and you can kind of see where they focused a little over-hard on making it something people would pay  for on its own.
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Oct 31, 2016 12:24
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Remember my comment about DS having more apace for this kinda stuff This case is loooooooong
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Oct 31, 2016 12:28
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As previously mentioned, it is at present the longest case in the series. Not sure why I put that behind spoiler tags the first time around.
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Oct 31, 2016 12:35
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Granted, some of the cases from more recent games have at least felt like they're strong contenders for "longest in the series."
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Oct 31, 2016 16:02
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Gant is so stylish. I love him.
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Oct 31, 2016 16:33
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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Trial (Day 2) - Part 7      : Excuse me... "special"? : Mmhmm. Hard to come by this particular knife anywhere else.    : Now why was there another knife at the scene of the crime? : That's quite a mystery! : And like a mystery, it's wrapped in something... a muffler!    : I think that makes it connected to the case, don't you!?: See, there's a lot of things that go on at the Department I can't explain...: It's... delicate, okay? Sorry, Wrighto!  : Let's examine that knife while we can, Wrighto! : (Hmmm... evidence that links this knife to Detective Goodman...): (I think perhaps the pieces are falling into place...): (I should try presenting the piece of evidence that's had me stumped all this time!) : So, how were things down at the Department...? : Something didn't happen at the Police Department too, did it...?: You got a good look in your eyes, there, Wrighto my boy. Sharp! Hungry! : Chief... did something happen? : And why haven't I heard?: Why haven't you heard? : Or why didn't you ask?: ...!: No matter, I understand. You were busy, what with Lana's case and all.: Well, what happened!?: What happened at the Police Department that day? : On the same day that a detective was killed in the Prosecutor's parking lot... : Another detective... was killed at the Police Department!?: That's a fact. Surprising, isn't it, Udgey?: I'm at a loss for words.: And the perpetrator? Do you have a suspect?: Well, there was a suspect.: Just arrested 'em, in fact.: (Just arrested! That was quick...): But... there's still a lot of unanswered questions.: Maybe you could help, Wright!: I suppose I could help... if you help me by giving me data on your case?    : So, tell me...: where was the victim found?: ... : Well, I can't speak on where the corpse was found.: But I can say the crime took place in the evidence room at the Police Department.: (The evidence room!?): You wouldn't know about the evidence room, would you, Wrighto?: I can't say I've heard of it.: (I guess I should ask again once I learn a bit more about this "evidence room."): There's something stranger about this then the place where the body was found! : Well, how was the detective killed?: How was he killed? Now that's the interesting part!: It was what we in the force call a "stabbing." With a knife!: A kn-knife...?: That's exactly the same as Detective Goodman! : That's the spirit! We're cooking now!: But you know...: That's not the only thing that was exactly the same...: Wh-what do you mean!?: There were more similarities between the two cases than the cause of death!: (IT seems like I'm going to have to press this a bit harder...) : So... when did the murder at the Police Department occur?: Now that's a sharp question, Wrighto! Very sharp!: Well, my boy... You're gonna love this!And they all converge on the next bit.  : Five... 5:15...!?: B-but that's... : That's when Detective Goodman was killed in the Prosecutor's Office! : What!?: Funny, isn't it? A murder at the Prosecutor's place, and a murder at our place at the very same time!: What are the chances! : (Coincidence!?) : This is just my gut feeling... : but I'd say there's a 0.001% chance of that happening!: Chief Gant, please tell us more about the incident! : How can you say there's no connection!?: How? Because I'm the Chief of Police!: I can't just say anything I please, Wrighto. You understand!  : Try to understand, Wrighto.: Well, if you can prove there is a connection, more power to you.: Maybe there is something that ties the two murders together?: (Whatever it is, I'd better find it and get to the bottom of this! Two detectives were killed at 5:15... One at the Prosecutor's Office...): (And one at the Police Department... that can't be a coincidence!)  : (I'd better check this knife out...)And loop. You probably know the answer.   : Wait a second!: Ah, at last! An honest to goodness "objection"! : What do you mean!?: Ah hah! An honest-to-goodness what do you mean from the judge! This is great! : Look at the tag on this knife!: It reads "SL-9 2"...: And this is important... why?  : 6 minus 7S... 12/2...? : Your Honor... : It's upside-down.: Upside...?    : When he wrote this note, he was holding the paper upside down!  : Order! Order!: Well, Chief?: ...: Ah well. I guess the cat's out of the bag...: You win, Wrighto!: I... win? : Ah... (What game is this guy playing!?)  : Yes, but on the day of the murder.: It was evidence, you say.: Was it, in fact, a murder weapon?: Nice! Nice! Nice! Good show, little Worthy! It was a murder weapon, as it happens.: It was evidence from a case long-since solved...: (So this knife was stolen on the day of the murder...)  : Hard to think there isn't a connection there!And now that we know that, we can go back to... : So, tell me...: where was the victim found?: ...: Well, I can't speak on where the corpse was found.: But I can say the crime took place in the evidence room at the Police Department.: (The evidence room!? W-wait a second...) : (I have heard of that!): The evidence room...: Didn't he mention that in his testimony just now? : (There's the connection between the two cases!): You seem happy, Mr. Wright!: Happy? We just got handed our ticket to go to town on this case!: (With the link between the two cases established, we finally have some leverage.): (Now we can get Gant to testify about the details!): Chief... The defense's positing is simply this:: The connection between these two cases has already been proven!: Heh, you don't say?: Well, out with it Wrighto! What's your connection?: Yes, out with it, Mr. Wright.: The connection is a place, mentioned in the testimony we just heard. : from the Police Department's evidence room. : And we also know that the detective murdered at the Police Department...: was killed in that very same evidence room! : Indeed...: There do seem to be too many connections for it to be a coincidence. : You two make a good pair. It took my men two days to find out: what you deduced right here. : Chief!: I request that you release your information on the victim at the Police Department!: See, that's the tricky part.: It hasn't been announced yet, and all...: Can we get the information...: unofficially?: Hmmmmm...: Sure! Why not? It's unofficial, after all.: (What? Really!?): Who would have guessed?Next time: Truth...??? Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Nov 2, 2016 11:56
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What a strange cross-examination.
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Nov 2, 2016 12:13
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I figured the note would come up about now; that's a good time to show off the feature, "Hey, you can look at thing in a different angle, now!" But this guy, though... I can't really get a read on him, and I begin to find his unflappable jocularity kind of off-putting, honestly. It feels like he's trying to lead us somewhere- but where? Speculation: Goodman was totally killed in the evidence room and then moved to the parking lot, wasn't he? They want to make us think there are two bodies, but there's only one.
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Nov 2, 2016 13:15
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Mors Rattus posted:
Gant owns. 
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Nov 2, 2016 14:27
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Mors Rattus posted:
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Nov 2, 2016 19:51
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I'm just reminded of an incredibly spoilery image showing all of the most egregious translation screw ups for the iOS port... and that option somehow became "How was he died".
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Nov 2, 2016 21:20
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Was... was the Chief Prosecutor trying to recreate the crime, somehow? Out of some horrible obsession?
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Nov 3, 2016 02:44
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resurgam40 posted:I figured the note would come up about now; that's a good time to show off the feature, "Hey, you can look at thing in a different angle, now!" That wouldn't explain how the two murders both occurred at 5:15.
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Nov 3, 2016 05:53
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whitehelm posted:That wouldn't explain how the two murders both occurred at 5:15. But it would explain why Goodman's time of death is so wonky; he could have been killed over an hour before, so presumably, he could have been killed at the police station, moved to the garage and stabbed at the time the "other murder" occurred. And as for that other murder, my first instinct is to be suspicious it happened at all... or that Gant here would want to talk about it given that it hasn't been announced. What if it wasn't announced because it didn't happen?
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Nov 3, 2016 11:39
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Maybe he got killed, got better, tried to get to his car to drive home, and then was killed again? Because seeing a murder victim walking around is offending a prosecutors sense of decorum and modesty?
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Nov 3, 2016 16:18
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Come to think of it....just how quiet can one legally make a death, as a matter of public record? Like, if someone died, at the very very least, there must be some law making death certificates public right? Are there any laws about death certificates needing to be made within X amount of time after the body is declared deceased?
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Nov 3, 2016 16:50
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FAT BATMAN posted:Come to think of it....just how quiet can one legally make a death, as a matter of public record? Like, if someone died, at the very very least, there must be some law making death certificates public right? Are there any laws about death certificates needing to be made within X amount of time after the body is declared deceased? That depends on how competent your secret police is.
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Nov 3, 2016 17:11
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I think death certificates and the like are broadly a matter of public record, but A) I don't think anyone's actually under any obligation to like, post an obituary or otherwise announce that someone has died and B) even though they're "public" in the sense that they can't specifically keep them a secret you can't just prance up and demand to see it, you have to file the right paperwork and such to have access to it. That's literally just me intuiting what makes sense as an alive person in the US who has never specifically needed this information so really, REALLY don't quote me on anything.
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Nov 4, 2016 02:07
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Isn't there also something about police being able to keep certain facts of cases as confidential at least during the duration of an investigation? The reasoning being that if that information were leaked it might harm the investigation in some way? Withholding the victim's identity here could be related to that.
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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Trial (Day 2) - Part 8  : If you're going to tell us a little, why not tell us everything?: Ah, well, case information is sticky stuff. You have to do everything properly.  : Okay...: how about the gender of the victim!: You want to know that!? Um... Hmm... Okay, a hint.: Let's see... first hint! The gender that's NOT female...!: Ah hah!: He was a guy!: What did I tell you! The boy's sharp!: Stop goofing around, Mr. Wright! This is serious business!: S-sorry, Your Honor.: (Hey, tell that to the Chief of Police!) : Okay, well...: What division was the victim stationed in?: Oh? You want to know that, do you? Do you? Ah hah...: Criminal Affairs, Division 1.: The detectives responsible for homicide cases.: (Homicide... that would be the same division as Detective Gumshoe!) : It's almost like a serial killer was after homicide detectives...: Except this serial killing happened simultaneously, scientifically speaking.: Well, I sure hope Detective Gumshoe isn't next on the list... : Okay... How about you tell me: the victim's ID number?: Hmm? Sure, why not. It's not like you'll be able to tell who it is from that!: Of course not.: You won't tell me their name, after all.: We keep a tight lid on ID numbers, so don't go getting your hopes up.: The number is...: 5842189.: Well! That's quite...: long!: And we have to remember these! It drives me nuts!: 8... 2...: I can't do it.: (You didn't even get the first number right!): Well, Mr. Wright? Does this tell you anything?  : Absolutely nothing, Your Honor.: Ah... well, yes.: First of all, it was too long! I've forgotten it already!: S-sorry!: I mean, why are you getting mad at me!? I didn't come up with those numbers...: Hmm... 5842189... : Actually, it does, Your Honor.: It does...!: I think!: Meaning?  : Well, let's hear what the defense hast to say.: You say the ID number of the detective who was murdered at the Police Department...  : Witness! ...: ...: ...: ...: What is it, Mr. Wright!? : No, I... it's just,: I got confused...: And this is news?: Huh?: Just come out with both guns blazing... : like you always do. : (Two places, two detectives murdered... at one time.) : Oh hoh!: Is it yours?: N-no, Your Honor. I'm a defense attorney... remember? : Shame on you, Wrighto! Personnel IDs are top secret!: Detective Goodman's ID number is...: "5842189.": ...: ...: ...: And...?: This means... what, exactly?: Huh?: Wait...: That ID number we heard from the Chief earlier...: That started with "82...": Hmm. I've forgotten.: (You even got the first number wrong!): The number the Chief of Police gave us was...: 5842189.: W-wait a second, Wright! What does this...? : Mean? That's what I want to know!: The two ID numbers are identical!: In other words... The detective killed in the Police Department's evidence room was Bruce Goodman!: What does our witness think about that!?: ...: Oh! Ho ho ho, sharp as a tack, Wrighto! Sharp as a tack!: B-but wait! Detective Goodman is OUR victim! : Yet, a Detective Bruce Goodman was also killed at the Police Department...  : Th-that's impossible!: So, what we're saying is...: The same person was killed at the same time!? : Order! Order! Order!: Chief! What does this mean!?: No... what I want to know is...: why didn't I hear about this!? Yes, it's top-secret, fine! But I'm the prosecutor in charge of the case!!!: Now, just wait a second, Worthy. No need to get all flustered.: Your Honor!: The Police Department has made a grave error in this case...: Wait. : Or didn't you hear me?: ...!: The oversight... the grave error...? Mr. Edgeworth...: They're yours. : How... how dare...: We informed you yesterday. : I believe it was our Officer Meekins who brought you the news?: O-officer... Meekins?: Mr. Wright!: Where have we heard that name before?: Wait... Ah hah!   : I'm here, sir, at the request of the chief, sir! I've got your report, sir! : According to Meekins, you didn't accept the report?: Hard to believe. : B-but your officer, he told me!: He said that report had nothing to do with the Lana Skye incident! : Mr. Edgeworth. The victim's name is written write on top of the report.Whoops, nice typo, game.  : Wh-why didn't your officer tell me!? : He did seem... challenged.: In any case, this is a serious error, a gross negligence of duty on your part, Worthy.: B-But, sir!!! : Then, I...: No such luck this time, Worthy... or should I say, un-Worthy?: What!?: Now what was the second rule of evidence law, hmm?: Well, Mr. Wright?: Huh? Oh, well, it's, uh...: Rule 2: New evidence may only be submitted if it concerns the case on trial.: And how is this relevant!?: Normally, you submit a list of evidence to be used in court before the trial. : So...: What does this mean?: I couldn't submit this evidence until a connection was proven in court.: ...!!: The connection was just proven by Wrighto over here.: Good job, Wrighto, my boy!: Huh? Uh... I...: I was just doing my job.: No...  : It seems...: we have come to the end of this trial.: You are becoming a thorn in my side, Worthy... There've been rumors...: After all, you were in the defendant's chair just last year...!: ...!: I apologize for this terrible lack of due diligence on my part...: M-Mr. Edgeworth!: Please... Just give me one day. I'll get to the bottom of what happened...: If it's the last thing I do!: You'd better get results this time. Really.: I'm sorry! I'm so sorry! : Poor Mr. Edgeworth... : I don't think there's ever been an error this serious in the history of this court.: We will grant one further day as the prosecution has requested.: Will this be sufficient, Mr. Edgeworth.This case has more typos and grammar issues than any other in this game, really. : Yes, Your Honor. Thank you.: Whatever your punishment for this is, for your sake I hope it's not... decisive.: Very well! Court is adjourned! Next time: The case only gets weirder from here.htah Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Mors Rattus posted:
Small typo here, but really, with all the typos in this part that I noticed, it doesn't offend... yeesh, was this rushed out or what? Because some of these are kinda...obvious. But yes, that's a couple  s there: both the strangeness of the time of death, and the letter Edgeworth received yesterday. Man, Gant is shellacking Edgeworth, here, and I've always been entertained when that happened before, but somehow it isn't as funny when the chief does it. Maybe because it feels a lot like a set up by Gant... or that Gant seems like a sinister motherfucker himself.
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Nov 5, 2016 17:30
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That was painful. Edgeworth got reamed there. Lots of subtle stuff going on, too. This game is just as good as I remember.
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Nov 5, 2016 17:35
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Mors Rattus posted:
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Nov 5, 2016 18:16
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Gant owns, butMors Rattus posted:
these moments where he gets serious are always chilling.
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Nov 5, 2016 19:34
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Oh yeah, definitely. I'm pretty sure that the music stops dead when he tells everyone to wait, too.
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Nov 5, 2016 20:02
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Zerbin7 posted:That was painful. Edgeworth got reamed there. Lots of subtle stuff going on, too. This game is just as good as I remember. It doesn't help that, as Chief of Police, he can pull rank on Edgeworth rather than the other way around 
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Nov 5, 2016 21:37
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The double murder was a neat twist the first time I played through the case, especially the way it was depicted in the intro. I'd like to say more once we're shown more about it.
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Nov 5, 2016 22:49
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Zerbin7 posted:That was painful. Edgeworth got reamed there. Lots of subtle stuff going on, too. This game is just as good as I remember. Yeah, bet he's not going to pull any extra autopsy reports again anytime soon, isn't he? Yeah, WE DIDN'T FORGET, Miles, you jerk.
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Nov 6, 2016 19:43
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Did... did somebody mess with the clocks in the parking garage? What the heck is even going on here?
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Nov 6, 2016 21:31
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Having played some of the other games, this case is incredibly refreshing. Edgeworth is just as much out of the loop as Phoenix is this time. I can't think of another case where something like this happens.
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Nov 6, 2016 21:57
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Glazius posted:Did... did somebody mess with the clocks in the parking garage? What the heck is even going on here? Either Angel (and Lana  ) are lying about anything at all happening in the garage, or there were two murders, but the one at the garage wasn't actually Bruce Goodman, he got moved there later.The picture doesn't show the face of whoever Lana went after, after all.
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Nov 6, 2016 23:26
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On the other hand, how would a body swap even be possible? Angel mentioned that she subdued Lana until other authorities arrived, and even with the five minute gap between spotting the stabbing and apprehending her, so there wouldn't have been any time to swap bodies (and somehow hide the second one in a way that the police still haven't found).
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SardonicTyrant posted:Having played some of the other games, this case is incredibly refreshing. Edgeworth is just as much out of the loop as Phoenix is this time. I can't think of another case where something like this happens. Turnabout Samurai?
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Nov 7, 2016 01:23
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Identical Twins
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Nov 7, 2016 07:46
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Perhaps Lana was taking the knife out of Goodman's chest? He then breathed his last, and she blamed herself for not doing something else to save him.
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Update will be delayed to this afternoon, or possibly up tomorrow, depending on how long it takes me to finish up some work.
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