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Geostomp posted:They really were a jury of SovCits the whole time and somehow nobody managed to notice until they tanked the case? They don't have to be sovcits to have a crazy reverence for the raw concept of the unaltered constitution, I'd say most rural republicans have that.
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there was so little usable land in Eastern Oregon that early cattle barons fought fairly serious Range Wars with each other over it. there's a lovely little museum and round barn near the refuge that's all that's left of one of them, I forget his name but at one point he was the richest guy in the state. he was shot through the head in a range war.
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These people don't view that as a bad thing. They imagine themselves living on the cover of a paperback Louis L'Amour novel.
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TotalLossBrain posted:A bit more background from one of the jurors. This is dumb. So yeah, sov cit tactics work in jury trials. All you have to do to get a hung jury or a NG verdict is spout a bunch of vaguely patriotic nonsense. I have no idea what the solution is but the fact that this sort of poo poo works shows that the system is broken.
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i like reading this thread because it reminds me even if my day was lovely at least im not fragile enough to get insanely shook and bunker down for the dystopian future of white conservative extremism due to a distasteful decision by a jury
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Scionix posted:i like reading this thread because it reminds me even if my day was lovely at least im not fragile enough to get insanely shook and bunker down for the dystopian future of white conservative extremism due to a distasteful decision by a jury that's good. have a nice day 
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Scionix posted:i like reading this thread because it reminds me even if my day was lovely at least im not fragile enough to get insanely shook and bunker down for the dystopian future of white conservative extremism due to a distasteful decision by a jury When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a tarp and carrying a 55-gallon drum of lube.
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VikingSkull posted:Generally if you post about a subject and don't know anything, it helps if you lead with that fact. He's part Canadian.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:So yeah, sov cit tactics work in jury trials. All you have to do to get a hung jury or a NG verdict is spout a bunch of vaguely patriotic nonsense. I have no idea what the solution is but the fact that this sort of poo poo works shows that the system is broken. Better education so that juries aren't filled with goddamned morons who don't understand basic concepts.
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If they weren't a moron they'd have gotten out of jury duty. 
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has nullification ever actually been used for anything good? ps hail satan
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Agean90 posted:has nullification ever actually been used for anything good? I was gonna say Scopes but I guess that was a guilty verdict.
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Agean90 posted:has nullification ever actually been used for anything good? they freed OJ so he could make Juiced and then that went the way of Lavoy
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Agean90 posted:has nullification ever actually been used for anything good? I'm sure it's been used to get a precious delicate little lilly-white flower of a college student out of a marijuana charge or something like that, if you want to count it.
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ate all the Oreos posted:I'm sure it's been used to get a precious delicate little lilly-white flower of a college student out of a marijuana charge or something like that, if you want to count it. I used patriotism in a closing for a black dude with pot and case hung and dismissed, so there's 1. There was actually some reasonable doubt too, but black dude in the suburbs with drugs needs all he can get.
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nm posted:I used patriotism in a closing for a black dude with pot and case hung and dismissed, so there's 1. There was actually some reasonable doubt too, but black dude in the suburbs with drugs needs all he can get. I’d like to hear more about how you appealed to a suburban jury with patriotism, on a drug charge.
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Platystemon posted:I’d like to hear more about how you appealed to a suburban jury with patriotism, on a drug charge. he said hung so I assume he 12 angry men'd that poo poo and instead of foreman trump crying like a bitch and going "not guilty!" they deadlocked and the DA said gently caress this poo poo what you doing to my W/L man
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Platystemon posted:I’d like to hear more about how you appealed to a suburban jury with patriotism, on a drug charge. You talk about how the founding fathers came up with reasonable doubt (not strictly true) and point out how the cop is exaggerating and say "this isn't how you do things in america," refer to "state power" a lot and so on. This is a few years ago and there was a lot more that I've almost certainly forgotten, but it was the most fun closing arguement I've had.
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nm posted:You talk about how the founding fathers came up with reasonable doubt (not strictly true) and point out how the cop is exaggerating and say "this isn't how you do things in america," refer to "state power" a lot and so on. Ever use white guilt in a defense? That seems like something that would totally work against me if I were a juror because I'm a sopping liberal weenis of a man
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The white guilt defence would make a lot of jurors angry, but that’s probably a good thing for a hung jury.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Ever use white guilt in a defense? That seems like something that would totally work against me if I were a juror because I'm a sopping liberal weenis of a man I've never worked anywhere liberal enough. San Francisco apparently has really high NG rates, so I suspect something's going on there though. Edit: I didn't go to do one, but despite being in a white red county (with some anti-gov leanings), after fergison, some of my collegues beat some resisting cases with accusations of excessive force and those were normally losing cases with minority defendants. So white guilt may have been a factor? nm has issued a correction as of 16:46 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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nm posted:I've never worked anywhere liberal enough. Probably less white guilt and more white people hate cops too (kinda what this thread is about lol)
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VikingSkull posted:Probably less white guilt and more white people hate cops too (kinda what this thread is about lol) but they tend to be the ones making exceptions for minorities hence why we are here clowning on moolitia men to begin with
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Yeah the only good example(s) of jury nullification being not poo poo-awful were 1) not convicting people during prohibition for selling a drink 2) not convicting people during slavery for hiding freed slaves. And 1 is iffy I mean I didn't do any research on this, if they let al capone's guys off and they went on to empty tommy guns indiscriminately into a crowd I'd take that one off the maybe pile. I'm imagining a bar tender covered in flopsweat gasping out "sheesh it's just a high ball, twenty to life? Jesum crow." If that guy's trial got nullified then whoopee.
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I do not wish to create joinder with the new title to my thread
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VikingSkull posted:I do not wish to create joinder with the new title to my thread Didn't say "I do not consent". So mods had permission. Q.E.D.
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Oct 31, 2016 18:18
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gently caress, bamboozled again! I am in fact a boat after all
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gently caress the constitution. My state never got the opportunity to ratify the constitution therefore it is null and void for me within the independent American republic of Wisconsin. We still believe in the 2nd amendment though. Everything else is an illegal affront to state's rights.
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I the forums poster ::WASABI THE J:: am not the same as the flesh and blood poster J of Wasabi and as such do not enter joinder with the administration of this Website SomethingAwful and do not recognize your law against poo poo posting. pls don't ban me gold fringed moderator.
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VikingSkull posted:gently caress, bamboozled again! Your strategy of pissing off the mods worked!
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Agean90 posted:has nullification ever actually been used for anything good? Pre-Civil War it was used in cases where Abolitionists were accused of helping fugitive slaves and the Underground Railroad. Post-Civil War, it was used by racist juries to acquit klansmen of lynchings and hate crimes. It's something that should exist but be used in specific cases by an intelligent jury. This is not one of those cases.
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TotalLossBrain posted:Your strategy of pissing off the mods worked! to be fair I'm more of a canoe, perhaps a kayak
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red19fire posted:Pre-Civil War it was used in cases where Abolitionists were accused of helping fugitive slaves and the Underground Railroad. Post-Civil War, it was used by racist juries to acquit klansmen of lynchings and hate crimes. It is not something that should ever exist or be used. There just isn't a way to completely squelch it without destroying the jury system, aside from massive systemic improvements in education. The way to overturn unjust laws is the legislature. Not the deliberation room.
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being a descendant of John Brown, I certainly wish someone had used jury nullification in his case, but then I also remember that he was running people through with swords so I don't even know what the gently caress
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Jury nullification is literally lawlessness. Opposing lawlessness does not mean you think that every law is good. It's akin to giving vandalism a pass as long as it is practiced against entities you profoundly disagree with.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:Jury nullification is literally lawlessness. Opposing lawlessness does not mean you think that every law is good. On the other hand, it's understandable why some people might think lawlessness is better than law in situations where the law is specifically built as a tool for the majority to gently caress over, extremely hard, a minority it doesn't like (see: the pre-civil war situation). Thats not this situation though.
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VikingSkull posted:I do not wish to create joinder with the new title to my thread C-SPAM - Coming February 6, 2017: The Bundy Bunch in "Silver State, Gold Fringe"
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Why do jurors need to deliberate together? It seems like all the effort put into jury selection to identify "bias" (whatever that is) can be undone by one juror with a strong personality getting through and getting to unduly influence the verdict (or getting jurors who disagree with them ejected haha).
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Nocturtle posted:Why do jurors need to deliberate together? How would that work? Regardless, it wouldn’t be constitutional. Deliberation is a key part of the jury process that pre‐dates the U.S. itself.
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