CanPol Megathread: Big Changus

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Wasting: Apr 25, 2013; The next to go

P.d0t posted:

Yeah I'm about 6'1-1/2" and 190 is at the very high end of "normal" weight for me, according to BMI; I got down to 186 when I was running something like ~30km a week and walking maybe twice that, to prep for a half-marathon.

So I mean, if that's what everyone (not just CF) needs to do to be in-shape, we're all hosed.

Eat less.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 14:06

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# ? May 13, 2024 21:45

Moist von Lipwig: Oct 28, 2006; by FactsAreUseless; Tortured By Flan

Eat more, IMO.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 14:08

Fried Watermelon: Dec 29, 2008

I'd like to see the obesity stats for City Police and the RCMP

I wouldn't be surprised if it were high too

# ? Oct 31, 2016 14:36

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

P.d0t posted:

Yeah I'm about 6'1-1/2" and 190 is at the very high end of "normal" weight for me, according to BMI; I got down to 186 when I was running something like ~30km a week and walking maybe twice that, to prep for a half-marathon.

So I mean, if that's what everyone (not just CF) needs to do to be in-shape, we're all hosed.

After 6', we don't count half inches. Save that for the 5-11 and 5-9ers.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 14:43

Ambrose Burnside: Aug 30, 2007; pensive

i love food and hate working out and my waistline is downright 'acceptable, for some definitions of the word'

# ? Oct 31, 2016 14:58

MA-Horus: Dec 3, 2006; I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Obesity is a big loving problem in the logistical branches of the CF, whole lot of desk/wrench jockeys who's idea of PT is "play ball hockey for half an hour on Thursday night, followed by 4 pints in the mess"

# ? Oct 31, 2016 14:58

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

"We'll just sew two tunics together" shouldn't be a thing anyone hears.

Remember that direct order from Hillier to the troops to get fit or get out? What happened to that?

quote:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/montreal-protester-forced-to-buy-1-500-worth-of-indigenous-costumes-1.3138275

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Sunday, October 30, 2016 2:16PM EDT
Last Updated Sunday, October 30, 2016 9:11PM EDT

A Montreal protester was left with $1,500 worth of Indigenous costumes this Halloween after her group put �harmless� stickers on one store�s products.

The Kahnawake Youth Forum has been campaigning against cultural appropriation for the last three years. This year, the campaign focused on what they call offensive Halloween costumes that stereotype and sexualize indigenous groups.

On Friday, members of the First Nations group split up across Montreal visiting costume stores and trying to get them to stop selling indigenous costumes. Some store managers were receptive but things didn�t end well for a group led by organizer Jessica Deer.
Jessica Deer says that hypersexualized costumes contribute to a "culture that normalizes violence against indigenous women and girls.�

Deer said an employee called the police when her group started putting �we�re not costumes� stickers on costumes in plastic bags.

�We were arrested for putting stickers, harmless stickers,� Deer, who is also president of the Kahnawake Youth Forum, told CTV Montreal Saturday.

�The police told us either we had to pay for everything that we damaged or face charges for vandalism or mischief,� she said.

Deer said she took responsibility for the $1,500 bill for the costumes tagged with stickers. She said she has not been allowed to return the costumes despite the fact that the stickers were easily removed from the plastic packaging and the products weren�t damaged.

The store manager did not wish to comment on the ordeal.

I'm not sure what the news is here: That someone's selling redface costumes in 2016, that unnamed store manager of unnamed store needed to be told this was a bad idea, that this person wanted to stay anonymous because they weren't about to stop doing something wrong, or that the media actually entertained this request.

Personally I'd love to see this charge go to court so I can hear the Crown whimper about how the big bad Indians stopped a plucky local merchant from plying their trade with by helpfully marking their racist merchandise with peel-away stickers.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 15:02

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

P.d0t posted:

Yeah I'm about 6'1-1/2" and 190 is at the very high end of "normal" weight for me, according to BMI; I got down to 186 when I was running something like ~30km a week and walking maybe twice that, to prep for a half-marathon.

So I mean, if that's what everyone (not just CF) needs to do to be in-shape, we're all hosed.

190 isn't very heavy for our frame at all if you have any muscle mass.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

After 6', we don't count half inches. Save that for the 5-11 and 5-9ers.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 15:07

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Hide yo garlic people.

quote:

New anti-terrorism bill abandons Liberal call for real-time parliamentary �oversight� into CSIS
...
The Conservatives, meanwhile, are caught in the middle. As architects of the sweeping counter-terrorism powers bestowed on CSIS, the RCMP and government under 2015�s Anti-terrorism Act (C-51), they can�t complain the new bill doesn�t go far enough to guard against potential abuses of the extraordinary state powers they created. That�s especially true since the Tories refused to create commensurate oversight and review mechanisms.

Yet the Liberals have already abandoned what they claimed in opposition was a fundamental and necessary fix for C-51: real-time strategic oversight of CSIS activities, not after the fact, as now set out in C-22.

�The difference between the two is not merely a quibble over language. The two words are not synonymous,� then Liberal leader Justin Trudeau told the Commons in February 2015, days after C-51 was tabled.

�An oversight body looks on a continual basis at what is taking place inside an intelligence service and has the mandate to evaluate and guide current actions in �real time.� That is crucial and must be amended, if we are giving CSIS the new powers proposed in Bill C-51 in its current form.�

The word �oversight� does not appear in the text of C-22. �Review� pops up 32 times, most notably to describe the committee�s prime mandate.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...csis-operations

I don't know why they don't realize this but sometimes the worst things the Tories could do for the Liberals is give them honest, high praise.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 16:30

Femtosecond: Aug 2, 2003

quote:

B.C. oil spill shows what can go wrong under difficult conditions

Crews fighting to contain fuel leaking from a sunken tug near Bella Bella, B.C., have had to deal with just the kind of conditions predicted in a spill response analysis filed with the National Energy Board in the Trans Mountain pipeline hearings.

That analysis warned that if an oil spill occurred on the West Coast during winter months, high winds, turbulent seas and delays in response time could combine to make it impossible for crews to recover more than 15 per cent of spilled oil.

However, during the NEB inquiry, which concluded earlier this year, Trans Mountain presented a model that showed over half the oil would be recaptured because of proper planning and the rapid deployment of containment equipment.

The NEB concluded that Trans Mountain�s application �met the requirements � regarding marine emergency preparedness and response planning� and recommended conditional acceptance of the project, which is now before federal cabinet awaiting a decision by December. If approved, the pipeline expansion project will dramatically increase oil tanker traffic through Vancouver harbour from about seven tankers a month to 35.

But the sinking of the tug Nathan E. Stewart near Bella Bella two weeks ago and an accident in Vancouver harbour last year have raised serious questions about oil spill response limitations.

In real life, responders have been slower and less effective than the Trans Mountain model predicted, equipment has broken and drifting oil slicks have been missed.

In April, 2015, the MV Marathassa, a cargo ship at anchor, spilled 2,800 litres of bunker fuel in English Bay. Western Canada Marine Response Corp., an industry-funded organization that responds to spills, later reported recovering 1,400 litres, demonstrating the high recovery rates Trans Mountain had foreseen.

But that was under ideal circumstances. The weather was good and the accident was close to an oil spill response base. Even then, delays in identifying the seriousness and source of the spill resulted in oil contaminating beaches in Stanley Park and led to a public outcry about the slow response.

The Nathan E. Stewart accident, at a remote site on the Central Coast some 300 kilometres from the nearest WCMRC base, has illustrated what can go wrong when conditions are difficult, reinforcing the warnings filed with the NEB by Nuka Research and Planning Group, LLC.

Nuka warned that adverse winter weather could cause containment booms to fail, make it difficult for clean-up vessels to stay on station, make it unsafe for crews and cause oil to sink or wash ashore.

Those are all factors that occurred in the Nathan E. Stewart spill, according to Unified Command Situation Reports. Booms broke, a skiff was swamped and crews were grounded for days by bad weather while an unknown amount of the tug�s 226,840 litres of diesel, and 10,000 litres of heavy oil and dirty bilge water escaped.

After the tug hit the reef, while pushing a massive empty fuel barge, it took oil spill response crews more than 20 hours to get to the scene from the nearest WCMRC base, in Prince Rupert.

The Heiltsuk Nation, which relies on beaches near the accident site for traditional and commercial clam harvests, has called the situation a disaster.

�The damage to the intertidal zone will be massive,� Heiltsuk Tribal Council Chief Marilyn Slett said in a statement. �We�re looking at damage from diesel washed ashore during the spill and now further contamination from broken containment booms leaking diesel on the beach.�

B.C. Premier Christy Clark has called the situation unacceptable, saying B.C. clearly does not yet have a �world class� capacity to respond to a spill. NDP Leader John Horgan has written to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau calling for a better spill response regime, and B.C. Green Party Leader Andrew Weaver has demanded the resignation of provincial Environment Minister Mary Polak.

The Nuka analysis, which was done for the City of Vancouver, the Tsleil-Waututh and Tsawout First Nations, intervenors opposed to Trans Mountain expansion, found there will be many times when conditions are so bad no response is possible.

It states that at Neah Bay, Wash. � which is exposed to the open Pacific much as the reef is that was struck by the Nathan E. Stewart � spill recovery would be possible on only about two days out of seven because of bad weather and rough seas.

The Nathan E. Stewart and Marathassa spills were relatively small, but opponents of increased oil tanker traffic have said the problems posed by those accidents show just how hard it will be to deal with a big spill.

In the Trans Mountain hearings, however, the NEB concluded the proponent had proposed �appropriate measures� to respond to any accident, and that �a large tanker spill is not a likely event� because ships will be double hulled and have tug escort.

Don't worry about the pipelines everyone. We'll mandate a "world class" spill response.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 16:48

Mameluke: Aug 2, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

flakeloaf posted:

I'm not sure what the news is here: That someone's selling redface costumes in 2016, that unnamed store manager of unnamed store needed to be told this was a bad idea, that this person wanted to stay anonymous because they weren't about to stop doing something wrong, or that the media actually entertained this request.

Personally I'd love to see this charge go to court so I can hear the Crown whimper about how the big bad Indians stopped a plucky local merchant from plying their trade with by helpfully marking their racist merchandise with peel-away stickers.

As usual, don't read the post from when this cropped up on the Canada reddit.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 16:52

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

quote:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/phoenix-oct31-deadline-backlog-1.3826399?cmp=rss

PHOENIX FALLING
Pay problems linger for thousands of public servants as Phoenix deadline arrives

The federal government's self-imposed Oct. 31 deadline for eliminating the backlog of Phoenix pay problems has arrived, but some public servants say they're still going into debt to pay their bills.

Soon after the Phoenix payroll system was rolled out across the country in the spring, employees began reporting problems. The government acknowledged in July that more than 80,000 public servants had reported trouble with their pay, with the majority being underpaid. Others were overpaid or not paid at all.

Two weeks ago, Marie Lemay, the deputy minister in charge of the system, said the bulk of 80,000 cases in the backlog would be solved by today but warned some of the more complex files may not be resolved in time.

Government falling behind in clearing Phoenix payroll backlog by Oct. 31 deadline
Government accused of hiding full scope of fiasco
Bureaucrat in charge of Phoenix shuffled into new role
But the largest union representing public servants says that's not good enough.

"We still have literally thousands of public sector workers still waiting," said Chris Aylward, the national executive vice-president of the Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC). "It's not getting fixed. It's not getting any better."

Global Affairs Canada employee Sabrina Arrizza said she can't believe the "magical day" is here, yet she's still owed $4,000 in missing pay.

'I've reached the point of complete hopelessness.'
- Sabrina Arrizza
"I've reached the point of complete hopelessness," said Arrizza, who said she's had to take out a line of credit to pay her bills.

"It's extremely distressing," she said. "I was in a better financial situation when I was a student without a job."

Earlier this summer, Arrizza was told her file had risen to what the pay centre calls "the war room," where cases go when compensation advisers can't figure out how to solve them.

Managers supportive but can't help

"It was a little complicated but I'm not sure why I've been left in the backlog," said Arrizza. "I have not received a phone call. So to me, how can you even work on my case when you haven't even called me yet to discuss it?"

Arrizza transitioned from a casual contract to a term position in May but said she wasn't paid for seven weeks. When she finally got a cheque, it was for a much lower pay category, she said.

On top of that, Arrizza isn't being reimbursed for dental care. She said her managers have been very supportive but haven't been able to help solve her problem.

"It's quite sad when it gets to the point when your managers can't even do anything about it," she said.

'It should have been fixed by now'

Dean Ashby, a manager at Measurement Canada, describes himself as a "very patient guy," but said it's "disturbing" that he's waited since April for as much as $18,000 he said he's owed.

'Unfortunately, my kids have suffered probably the most.'
- Dean Ashby
"I've waited seven months and I think it's time to voice my opinion now," said Ashby from Penticton, B.C. "One hundred per cent it should have fixed by now."

Ashby said he's burned through his savings, and has had to cut back on his daughter's dance lessons and his son's go-cart racing.

"Unfortunately, my kids have suffered probably the most, because they haven't been able to do their sports," said Ashby.

Dean Ashby
Measurement Canada manager Dean Ashby says he's owed as much as $18,000 in missing pay. (Submitted)
He says he returned from an 18-month leave on April 1, then went seven pay periods without a cheque. When he finally got paid in June, "it was completely wrong," Ashby said.

Even when the cheques started coming, they were $700 short. Ashby is in charge of nearly a dozen staff, and said he recently realized during a team meeting that he was the lowest-paid employee in the room.

"It's unfair," said Ashby. "I'm working and working and I'm not getting paid. You can't do that. It's against the law."

Rally planned for Monday

On Oct. 19, deputy minister Marie Lemay admitted the government is "tracking a bit behind," with 30,000 out of more than 80,000 cases that were reported before July still unresolved.

PSAC says more new pay problems surface every payday and the government is not revealing how many employees have been affected since July.

"So how many new cases are in a backlog queue since then?" Aylward said. "That's very concerning to us, because they are unable, for whatever reason, to give us that number."

Updated figures showing how many cases could still be in the government's backlog of Phoenix files are expected at the next technical briefing scheduled for 1 p.m. ET on Monday.

The deputy minister's office declined to comment to CBC News ahead of the briefing.

Public servants will hold a rally in front of the prime minister's office at noon ET Monday to express their ongoing frustrations with the dysfunctional system, says Aylward.

Great job all around guys :hfive:

# ? Oct 31, 2016 17:45

P.d0t: Dec 27, 2007; I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...

Postess with the Mostest posted:

After 6', we don't count half inches. Save that for the 5-11 and 5-9ers.

normally I'd just say 6'2" but since this is CanPoli, I figured some :spergin:

would fact-check my BMI calculation and be OUTRAGED that I wasn't precise enough

# ? Oct 31, 2016 17:59

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Hide yo garlic people.

I don't know why they don't realize this but sometimes the worst things the Tories could do for the Liberals is give them honest, high praise.

Literally the only thing you loving progressives got us by strategically electing this government is a tax cut for people earning 200k

# ? Oct 31, 2016 18:48

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

THC posted:

Literally the only thing you loving progressives got us by strategically electing this government is a tax cut for people earning 200k

We also got a glowing write up and photo op four our Prime Minister in Vanity Fair. Harper could never have bestowed that kind of prestige on our fair nation.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 18:50

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

guys I miss Harper

# ? Oct 31, 2016 18:52

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

THC posted:

Literally the only thing you loving progressives got us by strategically electing this government is a tax cut for people earning 200k

Hey at least you admit that they're earning it.

P.d0t posted:

normally I'd just say 6'2" but since this is CanPoli, I figured some would fact-check my BMI calculation and be OUTRAGED that I wasn't precise enough

Whoa whoa whoa when did we just start rounding up heights. 6'1.9? That's 6'1 in my book :colbert:

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:12

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Trudeau has restored our international reputation and ability to smugly condescend to Americans so idgaf about what his policies actually are

- 64% of Canadians

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:16

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Trudeau is all about platitudes

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:18

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Have you guys forgotten that weed is the most important issue facing civilization in the 21st century

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:18

Moist von Lipwig: Oct 28, 2006; by FactsAreUseless; Tortured By Flan

a fleshy snood posted:

Have you guys forgotten that weed is the most important issue facing civilization in the 21st century

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:21

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Trudeau is willing to work towards a solution for MMIW, climate change, weed, and even ERRE, after the royal commission completes in 2021

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:25

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

At which point, the next step will be consultation.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:26

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

THC posted:

At which point, the next step will be consultation.

With individual constituants ala CPC.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:29

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

Trudeau will throw an interminable series of town halls, and when people show up to protest his lovely policies he'll whine about it and then say they're inconclusive and we need further royal commissions

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:31

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

Travis Vader murder convictions vacated, guilty of manslaughter instead

Judge says 'I dun goofed', duct tapes decision.

A Red Green case.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:34

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Wistful of Dollars posted:

Travis Vader murder convictions vacated, guilty of manslaughter instead

Judge says 'I dun goofed', duct tapes decision.

A Red Green case.

Surely this will keep it out of the Court of Appeal! - An idiot judge

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:40

Monaghan: Dec 29, 2006

Wistful of Dollars posted:

Travis Vader murder convictions vacated, guilty of manslaughter instead

Judge says 'I dun goofed', duct tapes decision.

A Red Green case.

Man watching this dope completely gently caress up every aspect of his landmark case has been so gratifying.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 19:57

Tsyni: Sep 1, 2004; Lipstick Apathy

flakeloaf posted:

I'm not sure what the news is here: That someone's selling redface costumes in 2016, that unnamed store manager of unnamed store needed to be told this was a bad idea, that this person wanted to stay anonymous because they weren't about to stop doing something wrong, or that the media actually entertained this request.

Personally I'd love to see this charge go to court so I can hear the Crown whimper about how the big bad Indians stopped a plucky local merchant from plying their trade with by helpfully marking their racist merchandise with peel-away stickers.

So an indigenous costume is racist?

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:08

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

I'm whiter than a ghost in a snowstorm, so I'm not the arbiter of that. But if Aboriginal people are calling them racist and offensive then I'm ready to take their word for that; yeah.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:12

A Typical Goon: Feb 25, 2011

Tsyni posted:

So an indigenous costume is racist?

Yes

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:14

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Tsyni posted:

So an indigenous costume is racist?

I'm not even sure why you're asking this, yes it is.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:28

Falstaff: Apr 27, 2008; I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

Tsyni posted:

So an indigenous costume is racist?

Pretty much, yeah.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:30

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

What if I'm white and have status? What now?

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:30

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Tsyni posted:

So an indigenous costume is racist?

I don't think it's racist. Wearing it is insensitive now that you know it annoys (some) natives. If you don't care about annoying people in general, it's not racist. If you just don't care about annoying natives in particular, then you're probably racist. A costume can't be racist, it's an inanimate object.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:33

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

White people dress up as other races for LULZ on Halloween; all other races try to emulate white people for the entire year to grasp the privilege that that affords.

Think about it.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:35

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I don't think it's racist. Wearing it is insensitive now that you know it annoys (some) natives. If you don't care about annoying people in general, it's not racist. If you just don't care about annoying natives in particular, then you're probably racist. A costume can't be racist, it's an inanimate object.

None of this is how racism works

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:36

Falstaff: Apr 27, 2008; I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I don't think it's racist. Wearing it is insensitive now that you know it annoys (some) natives. If you don't care about annoying people in general, it's not racist. If you just don't care about annoying natives in particular, then you're probably racist. A costume can't be racist, it's an inanimate object.

D.W. Griffith's Birth of a Nation isn't racist, it's just a thing. Things can't have intentions or make choices, and therefore can't be racist.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:38

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I don't think it's racist. Wearing it is insensitive now that you know it annoys (some) natives. If you don't care about annoying people in general, it's not racist. If you just don't care about annoying natives in particular, then you're probably racist. A costume can't be racist, it's an inanimate object.

I honestly don't think you understand how racism works.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:40

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# ? May 13, 2024 21:45

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

Surely this will keep it out of the Court of Appeal! - An idiot judge

tbf, even if he made no mistakes whatsoever it was going to end up in front of the court of appeal.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 20:49

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