|
Platystemon posted:How would that work? Jurors could deliberate individually in isolation (separate rooms or however current juries are isolated from the general public), review the evidence and jury instructions and decide for themselves what the verdict should be. Presumably this would prevent some of the jury-related shenanigans in the Bundy trial, and prevent more persuasive jurors from having undue influence on the verdict. It seems like the main goal of jury deliberations is to encourage a unanimous verdict, with the implicit understanding that this will be done by jurors arguing (correctly or incorrectly, in good faith or not) with any holdouts until they give up and go with the majority. This seems counter to the spirt of the jury selection and instruction processes, which are designed to minimize potential bias and encourage jurors to decide on a verdict based on the evidence presented and arguments from the prosecutors and defense. I'm not arguing individual juror deliberations would necessarily be better than the current system, just wondering if there was any reason why the jury MUST deliberate as a group. If it's constitutionally required then that's the end of it.
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 22:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 13, 2024 19:55 |
|
|
100% hung juries sounds cool. And a lot of folks pay little attention during the trial and/or have memory issues Have you been on a jury?
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 22:42
|
|
|
At least they’re loving with the Army this time. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 22:43
|
|
|
Ah yes, protest the agency that plundered east coast tax dollars to fund enormous water projects that made life in the American west possible.
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 22:43
|
|
|
oh nevermind, this is a Dakota Access solidarity thing.
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 22:45
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/KandraKPTV/status/793157054277890049
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 22:45
|
|
|
except these guys have a legitimate grievance that's not just GOVERNMENT GET OUT REEEEEEE
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 22:46
|
|
|
Everyone update their FB status and checkin at flat rock or whatever !
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 22:47
|
|
|
CommunistPancake posted:except these guys have a legitimate grievance So you're saying the chance of these guys getting machine-gunned is that much higher? Finally this thread delivers. We've been blueballed ever since Cross Draw McGraw martyred himself.
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 22:52
|
|
|
CommunistPancake posted:except these guys have a legitimate grievance that's not just GOVERNMENT GET OUT REEEEEEE They also aren't all white, so I expect some careful, proportionate brutality to follow and get praised by all the right wing hacks out there.
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 22:58
|
|
|
TotalLossBrain posted:Cross Draw McGraw 
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 23:07
|
|
|
jury nullification works!
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 23:13
|
|
|
Geostomp posted:They also aren't all white, so I expect some careful, proportionate brutality to follow and get praised by all the right wing hacks out there.
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 23:50
|
|
|
I hope they take back the pipeline
|
|
#
?
Oct 31, 2016 23:50
|
|
|
CommunistPancake posted:except these guys have a legitimate grievance that's not just GOVERNMENT GET OUT REEEEEEE 
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 00:28
|
|
|
fuckin a
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 00:41
|
|
|
And like clockwork, the defense now wants all charges dropped against those still awaiting trial. I guess that's not entirely unreasonable given how that last verdict went. Link to oregonlive
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 00:55
|
|
|
Fuckin' 5'd
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 00:57
|
|
|
TotalLossBrain posted:And like clockwork, the defense now wants all charges dropped against those still awaiting trial. I guess that's not entirely unreasonable given how that last verdict went. quote:Payne also didn't have full information about FBI informants at the refuge during the occupation when he entered his guilty plea, Hay said. "I asked everyone if they were an undercover cop 3 times, so this is entrapment according to uhhhh the constitution"
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 01:09
|
|
|
         
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 01:10
|
|
|
Geostomp posted:They also aren't all white, so I expect some careful, proportionate brutality to follow and get praised by all the right wing hacks out there. pretty much. they will get the hosed kicked out of them, meanwhile the armed white seditionists wont get hurt at all.  loving this.
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 02:27
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 02:46
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 03:10
|
|
|
You know i've seen all of those in the original SA thread that made them and they still get me every time 
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 03:15
|
|
|
Some of them were new to me. Best all-saints day presents ever! (and only ones iirc)
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 03:24
|
|
|
VikingSkull posted:being a descendant of John Brown, I certainly wish someone had used jury nullification in his case, but then I also remember that he was running people through with swords so I don't even know what the gently caress sorry for my ignorance but who the goldang gently caress is joh n brown
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 05:38
|
|
|
hes a moulderin'
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 05:39
|
|
|
Semisponge posted:sorry for my ignorance but who the goldang gently caress is joh n brown A (barely) pre-Civil War era American Saint.
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 05:40
|
|
|
Semisponge posted:sorry for my ignorance but who the goldang gently caress is joh n brown Look him up, he's amazing. A truly radical man, who is hated to this day (by assholes).
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 05:44
|
|
|
~same thing they will be saying about the bundies (Excpet for ted bundy, what an rear end in a top hat) in 100 years time~
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 05:46
|
|
|
Baloogan posted:~same thing they will be saying about the bundies (Excpet for ted bundy, what an rear end in a top hat) in 100 years time~ In some ways the Bundies are very similar to some of the founding fathers, in that they're rich terrorists who have conned a large portion of the underclass into supporting their land grab while getting nothing in return.
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 05:48
|
|
|
Nah, they'll be regarded as idiots who overreached. You know they're not going to be content with this, and they're not getting a jury this credulous again.
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 05:50
|
|
|
They will, thankfully, be forgotten in 100 years.
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 06:28
|
|
|
preserved as folk heros for all time spooky tarp ghost wooowoowooowoooooouuouuu
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 06:56
|
|
|
do they have a good tune like john brown? no? well then
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 07:04
|
|
|
Semisponge posted:sorry for my ignorance but who the goldang gently caress is joh n brown White man. Led a violent movement to free slaves. Wanted to be buried with them too. I'm just going off of textbook shut I remember whuthout having to wiki
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 07:13
|
|
|
Tarpman lies a slumberin' in his hero's grave, through his noble actions the Constitution he did save, I've got those blues, those Malheur Refuge blues. Peztopiary has issued a correction as of 07:43 on Nov 1, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 07:16
|
|
|
Baloogan posted:~same thing they will be saying about the bundies (Excpet for ted bundy, what an rear end in a top hat) in 100 years time~ Did you ever stop to think that there are assholes from back in the day who don't get remembered. Some dude probably grabbed his musket thinking he could turn his CPS case into the whiskey rebellion and then got his rear end shot dead and we don't even know his name
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 07:16
|
|
|
Alan Smithee posted:Did you ever stop to think that there are assholes from back in the day who don't get remembered. Some dude probably grabbed his musket thinking he could turn his CPS case into the whiskey rebellion and then got his rear end shot dead and we don't even know his name Hell most of the country has never heard of the Mormon Wars and they actually were written down.
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 07:19
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 13, 2024 19:55 |
|
|
Alan Smithee posted:Did you ever stop to think that there are assholes from back in the day who don't get remembered. Some dude probably grabbed his musket thinking he could turn his CPS case into the whiskey rebellion and then got his rear end shot dead and we don't even know his name his name was mike
|
|
#
?
Nov 1, 2016 07:50
|
|
