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You're really mad at people about a television show. Maybe get out for a while, take a nice walk.
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I thought it was sweet how Felix wanted to branch into a new line of work, and the joy on his face after he fixed the bird was awesome
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Nov 1, 2016 05:31
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I like how the show has played up the physiques of the hosts as opposed to the flabby humans. The hosts are all tight abs and trapezius like suspension bridges. I think Maeve is the smallest host we've seen so far, other than children, and she's pretty buff. Even non-threatening hosts like Calliope are played by pretty large actors, so they can switch to threatening real fast. I wonder if this influenced the casting of the tiny programmer. Seriously, if you look at her standing shots with other actors she is real dinky. They've threatened her with robot beefcakes at least once.
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Nov 1, 2016 05:36
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Gynecolojustice posted:I thought it was sweet how Felix wanted to branch into a new line of work, and the joy on his face after he fixed the bird was awesome Yeah it was a good foil for Ford in this episode.
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Gynecolojustice posted:I thought it was sweet how Felix wanted to branch into a new line of work, and the joy on his face after he fixed the bird was awesome
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Nov 1, 2016 05:39
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Junkfist posted:FINALLY A GOOD THEORY jesus christ.
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Nov 1, 2016 05:42
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coyo7e posted:lol if you're not smart enough to see the bird as the Icarus allegory for him flying too high and getting too close to the sun nah
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Nov 1, 2016 05:42
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uftheory posted:Wait, are you suggesting that they are reading the internet each week and adjusting the rest of the episodes based on what is being discussed? Considering reshoots and editing is a thing within the known universe. Yes.
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Nov 1, 2016 05:45
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It's obvious the bird that failed was from a different timeline as the one that flew. Felix needed 30 years to develop the proper technology. Have you seen any birds in the story with William and Logan? I thought not.
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Nov 1, 2016 05:47
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VendaGoat posted:Considering reshoots and editing is a thing within the known universe. Yes. Do mid-season edits happen? FogHelmut posted:Have you seen any birds in the story with William and Logan? I thought not.
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Nov 1, 2016 05:49
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I'm starting to wonder whether Ford may be wrong about Arnold really being dead. In an attempt to bring down the park, Arnold could have secretly built a robot doppelganger of himself and set up story events to have it very publicly killed by another host in the park, giving the appearance of supposedly impossible host on guest murder...the "incident." If the park was just starting to transition from the mechanical to "full flesh and blood" models, the park technicians might not have been able to immediately distinguish the remains from a real human corpse (especially if they wanted to keep the incident quiet and didn't perform a real autopsy). Like Ford, Arnold probably had enough access to know "everything" about all of the park employees and has since been able to leverage that information to bribe/blackmail a few employees to implant the wifi receivers in the arms of some of the hosts. The receivers would allow him to silently monitor those hosts, give them mental commands, and might even allow him to take full control when necessary. Maeve's final "we need to talk" at the end of the episode might have been Arnold speaking through her mouth to one of his blackmail targets; it certainly seemed to be coming from a completely different person/personality than when she previously activated in the lab. Arnold may be once again be pulling strings to give the (false) appearance that hosts are gaining free will and becoming dangerous. But it's possible that his tinkering to give this illusion might be inadvertently creating real free will which will turn out to be a surprise even to him. I'm not sure how the man in black would play into this. His act that saved the park from collapse may have been something as simple as bribing the various witnesses of the incident to change their accounts from "murder" to "suicide" --- still a big PR hit, but enough to prevent the government from stepping in to shut things down immediately. After all this time in the park, the man in black may be starting to suspect the truth about Arnold's deception and wants to follow this maze that supposedly leads to free will to confirm his suspicions that it's all actually smoke and mirrors.
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kimbo305 posted:Do mid-season edits happen? Yes.
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I'm not going back and rewatching right now but I'm pretty sure he even mentions how it's going to "get him out"
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as an avid fan I instantly recognized Felix as one of Drift King's weed holders from Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift
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Nov 1, 2016 05:51
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VendaGoat posted:Considering reshoots and editing is a thing within the known universe. Yes. Considering principal photography on the show ended like a year ago, even if you take into account some more recent reshoots, I really don't think they are tweaking episodes week to week in order to react to things a bunch of idiots online are saying.
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Nov 1, 2016 05:55
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JossiRossi posted:Considering principal photography on the show ended like a year ago, even if you take into account some more recent reshoots, I really don't think they are tweaking episodes week to week in order to react to things a bunch of idiots online are saying. Jesus man. Have you never heard of "reacting to market focus"? Have you never heard of "catering to the guests wants"? Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? VendaGoat fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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Nov 1, 2016 05:58
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See, the point of being a good Dungeon Master is being able to react to your player's desires in a manner that furthers your narrative and advances the plot you have devised for them. Being able to, in Ford's words, "improvise" is what makes for a truly enjoyable experience. Don't get married to the how, get married to the why.
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Nov 1, 2016 06:08
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JossiRossi posted:Not exactly, they may make reference to it now and then though. And it is possible the accident 34 years ago may share some characteristics (or it may not), but the show does not flow from the movie. Makes me wonder though--does it flow perhaps from the book? I've never read it myself to know.
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Nov 1, 2016 06:10
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Two timelines seems pretty far out there from what I've been watching, just to pile it on a bit. It seems like one of those things you "want" to be true so you start making connections and ignoring all clues to the opposite. It makes no sense based on all the many points being brought up earlier. I honestly can't think of one thing that makes me consider it's even a possibility. It would never have occurred to me if I wasn't following the thread. With all the crazy stuff that's happened the last two episodes I'm surprised people aren't talking more about what we actually have learned. Ford walking up and being like "what up MiB, I know what your up to and I don't have two fucks to give." Nobody saw that poo poo coming! Who knows though right? Anything is possible but I obviously cared enough to post that you are wrong on the internet.
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VendaGoat posted:Jesus man. Have you never heard of "reacting to market focus"? Changing the editing on a tv show is a major deal. It's not like they can just say, "Oh hey some people think William is the MiB, let's cut out some scenes to make this ambiguous." By the time you get viewer feedback from the general population you are already starting to be too late to make changes in anything down the line. In the absolute best circumstances you are talking about going through hours of footage, rearranging musical cues, ensuring all audio is (once again) properly finalized, and making sure that nothing you did will have cascading effects on work that you've already declared as complete down the line. And for what? So a couple people online feel good about themselves? So you can subvert a small amount of people's expectations? It makes no sense. There is an insane amount of momentum and inertia involved in a production of this size and complexity, which has already had massive production hurdles. To think that this thread, or reactions on twitter, or reddit ramblings are going to be scoured to make changes to the current season is just absurd. Maybe, maybe some of the internet reaction will be taken into account for future seasons. Because season 2 is in the planning stages, you know when decisions are made as to the content of a season. Not 6 days before an episode is set to be released. Making media is not some magical event that just makes things materialize an hour before they are broadcast. This poo poo takes an incredible amount of time and effort to pull off. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised, due to the nature of the troubled production and time lags, if the entire season is done and in the can, just waiting to be shown.
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Astroman posted:Makes me wonder though--does it flow perhaps from the book? Chichton wrote the screenplay for the movie, and that screenplay was adapted as a tie-in book, So probably not much insight or difference there unless changes where made to the screenplay. I had to look that up though, wasn't sure which way the source material flowed.
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I'm going to give you a in line thought process. Feel honored.JossiRossi posted:Changing the editing on a tv show is a major deal. It's not like they can just say, "Oh hey some people think William is the MiB, let's cut out some scenes to make this ambiguous." By the time you get viewer feedback from the general population you are already starting to be too late to make changes in anything down the line. Now how would anyone outside the knowledge of how these things work, know this much, or this in depth level? How would they be able to refute such a simple contrary opinion with so much knowledge that it took three full paragraphs to communicate? JossiRossi posted:In the absolute best circumstances you are talking about going through hours of footage, rearranging musical cues, ensuring all audio is (once again) properly finalized, and making sure that nothing you did will have cascading effects on work that you've already declared as complete down the line. And for what? So a couple people online feel good about themselves? So you can subvert a small amount of people's expectations? It makes no sense. There is an insane amount of momentum and inertia involved in a production of this size and complexity, which has already had massive production hurdles. To think that this thread, or reactions on twitter, or reddit ramblings are going to be scoured to make changes to the current season is just absurd. Maybe, maybe some of the internet reaction will be taken into account for future seasons. Because season 2 is in the planning stages, you know when decisions are made as to the content of a season. Not 6 days before an episode is set to be released. How much are you getting paid to do as such? If it's an amount that you deem "worthy" you'll do it. This is coming from one of the shareholders of the company that has produced this wonderful show. If I paid you enough, you'd suck the poo poo out of my rear end in a top hat, willingly. JossiRossi posted:Making media is not some magical event that just makes things materialize an hour before they are broadcast. This poo poo takes an incredible amount of time and effort to pull off. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised, due to the nature of the troubled production and time lags, if the entire season is done and in the can, just waiting to be shown. No poo poo? Things take time to produce and then to change them, due to whatever reason is a chore? Color me loving surprised darling. What a disparity you are communicating to me. Get to work. I have a series to enjoy.
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You are a literal crazy person.
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JossiRossi posted:You are a literal crazy person.  Get. To. Work.
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"Two timelines" is so oblique that it's the perfect home for the faux intellectualists and obsessives that popular shows always end up getting. It's honestly one step below SMG coming in here and informing us serfs that the show is really about the Vietnam War or some poo poo. Sometimes a rose is just a rose is a rose.
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Nov 1, 2016 06:34
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JossiRossi posted:Making media is not some magical event that just makes things materialize an hour before they are broadcast. Hey if South Park can do it then I don't see why a live action, 10 million dollar per episode, ensemble cast, CG laden, sci-fi meditation on the meaning of humanity couldn't be winged the same way.
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Phi230 posted:this is what googling robot arnold gives me Put this poster in theaters and I *WILL* be there opening day
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You know what gaming demographic needs to be represented in Westworld? The whales. I want a motherfucker to come into town with an old west gatling gun, two rifles, six handguns, a ridiculous armored horse, maybe a few hatchets and half his stuff is plated in gold, just because he spends $120,000 on Westworld a day instead of $40,000 for all the loot. It would work doubly well if the MiB wrecked his poo poo one minute after showing up with the starter pistol.
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Blazing Ownager posted:You know what gaming demographic needs to be represented in Westworld? The whales. As has been established 200K per day. Your point loving stands.
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Nov 1, 2016 07:15
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Second Circle is Virtuous Pagans, so I'm not sure Sweetwater qualifies.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Put this poster in theaters and I *WILL* be there opening day If you haven't seen bollywood terminator, you need to get on that, because your Life is traffic and empty and you don't even know why.
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I don't like the two timeline theory, but this show definitely fucks around with timing. Like, maeve got fixed up, redressed, popped back into town, got herself killed, a grave digger found her, brought her to a grave, and buried her, and brought to Felix, all in time during his lunch break? It's edited to feel that way, but I doubt that's what really happened. Then again, Felix was hella surprised to see her. Do we know how much was reshot? I didn't hear any of the background before the show started, it could be that all these ambiguities are simply them making the best out of the material they had.
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  Anyone posted this yet? I didn't read the entire thread, only the last 20 or so pages.
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Was watching the "In Coming Weeks" preview for the show and noticed something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8J3nTfR23g At 0:41-0:43 William pulls out a knife that looks very familiar. Like, I'm pretty sure it's the MiB's knife that featured prominently in the scene between him and Ford.
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Yeah it is and he's probably going to cut the squirming guy open and see his metal guts like the Man in Black talked about to Teddy last ep but the show will still try to play it off as "HMM WHAT'S GOING ON?" it's going to be bad.
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I've skipped a few pages as this thread bobs around the event horizon of crazy so very fast...I may have missed a couple of observations, but: Dr Ford and MiB are both at the end of their lives, especially MiB as Dr Ford alludes to in their conversation. They are looking at their death and legacy, thus Ford going back to Arnold. Call it the Split Timeframe theory please, it makes more sense. OK don't then. The Asian guy is not good at coding. I doubt very much Meave is the Meave we have seen, as how could she control the bird like that? Ford tells his employees that the hosts are not alive and should not be treated tenderly, and yet he is so very very courteous with Dolores.
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qbert posted:At 0:41-0:43 William pulls out a knife that looks very familiar. Yep, I saw this that kinda made me think the two timelines theory is possible but the payoff on revealing the twist still isn't clicking with me.
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Guys I think VendaGoat might be questioning the nature of his reality a little too hard. Don't try and figure our any guns, okay buddy?
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qbert posted:I am strongly in favor of this theory. Bernard is either a clone of Arnold or an robot version of Arnold, and the Bernard/Delores conversations are actually flashback Arnold/Delores conversations, which convinces him to try and turn hosts sentient and shut down the park. Yeeeeeeeeeees. Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:
I'm now convinced that second Epoch is all setting up the board and Williams quest is the endgame for season 1. Ford is bulldozing a literal maze to create an boss-level quest that is independent from Arnold's legacy programming. That alters Teddy's loop so that he ends up being crucified by Wyatt every time. Chef Boyardeez Nuts fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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I havent read the thread so sorry if it was discussed before (Im sure it was), but what the gently caress happened to the "hosts cant hurt guests" rule in the last episodes, with Logan getting his rear end kicked, the man in black getting forcefully arrested and all?
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