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Ze Pollack posted:As I opened this by saying, given the choice between a glass of warm piss and a glass of bleach people overwhelmingly pick the warm piss. In this analogy why did the glass of warm piss win a two candidate primary against a candidate who is phenomenally popular with millennials of all sorts?
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iospace posted:So, if anyone was wondering how Comey would affect things: Some of that might just be Souls to the Polls and all, but still. If Comey just ends up energizing the democratic base or bouncing off and his hatchet job doesn't even accomplish anything, it will be perfect.
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WampaLord posted:Sure, but the problem is that young people's turnout rate is the worst. It's a worthwhile distinction to make, though, because for some reason young POC and women took very poorly to the Amanda Marcottes of the world proclaiming that they were all, by virtue of their support for Bernie Sanders, white BernieBros. The only moral erasure is MY erasure.
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ImpAtom posted:Does anyone genuinely and wholeheartedly think that even if you nominated... hell, let's go with Barack Obama's clone. Barack Obama's clone who is legally allowed to run for President and is also 8 years younger. Do you really think the absolute best outcome for him wouldn't be 40% of the country voting for Trump still? Do you think he'd somehow be carving off lots more white men (who are the base Trump is running on) than Clinton? 08 Obama would be beating Trump by 16-18 points and would flip 100 house seats.
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Instant Sunrise posted:did i miss any candidates in my "mcmagic through the years" posts? "Al Smith would have been up by 30 points" - mcmagic, 1932
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Ze Pollack posted:As I opened this by saying, given the choice between a glass of warm piss and a glass of bleach people overwhelmingly pick the warm piss. In an economy where the consumer's only options are piss or bleach, opening the piss stand would make you a ton of money.
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Night10194 posted:Some of that might just be Souls to the Polls and all, but still. If Comey just ends up energizing the democratic base or bouncing off and his hatchet job doesn't even accomplish anything, it will be perfect. Hope it does. For weeks I'd already planned to vote yesterday for Clinton, but I was pissed when I went to the ballot.
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Ze Pollack posted:It's a worthwhile distinction to make, though, because for some reason young POC and women took very poorly to the Amanda Marcottes of the world proclaiming that they were all, by virtue of their support for Bernie Sanders, white BernieBros. I mean, I doubt any of them were posting "can't we make a white progressive party" et all on Reddit.
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mcmagic posted:08 Obama would be beating Trump by 16-18 points and would flip 100 house seats. Trump is favorable with white men. Why do you think they would swap to Obama? Again, you keep going "unfavorable" and ignoring the context. Why would the demographic who like Trump swap away from him for Obama?
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ImpAtom posted:Does anyone genuinely and wholeheartedly think that even if you nominated... hell, let's go with Barack Obama's clone. Barack Obama's clone who is legally allowed to run for President and is also 8 years younger. Do you really think the absolute best outcome for him wouldn't be 40% of the country voting for Trump still? Do you think he'd somehow be carving off lots more white men (who are the base Trump is running on) than Clinton? Trump would win 40% of the vote, you're right. Campaign Obama would win the other 60% and win in a 1984-esque landslide.
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I like the 30 years of clinton baggage argument. GOP did an amazing job dragging her through mud covered in rusty razors.
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mcmagic posted:08 Obama would be beating Trump by 16-18 points and would flip 100 house seats.
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Night10194 posted:Some of that might just be Souls to the Polls and all, but still. If Comey just ends up energizing the democratic base or bouncing off and his hatchet job doesn't even accomplish anything, it will be perfect. Ze Pollack posted:It's a worthwhile distinction to make, though, because for some reason young POC and women took very poorly to the Amanda Marcottes of the world proclaiming that they were all, by virtue of their support for Bernie Sanders, white BernieBros.
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mcmagic posted:08 Obama would be beating Trump by 16-18 points and would flip 100 house seats. Yeah, Obama would have totally flipped the KKK and Neo Nazi vote.
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vyelkin posted:Trump would win 40% of the vote, you're right. Campaign Obama would win the other 60% and win in a 1984-esque landslide. Oh, I absolutely think Obama would kick rear end but Obama is one of the best candidates the Democrats have ever had and even he wouldn't be breaking 40% so the argument of "45% of America won't vote for her" doesn't hold a lot of weight.
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Goons: lmao can't believe none of the Republicans used all this dirt on Trump against him in the primaries Also goons: Man, Sanders would have crushed Trump his favorability is 99.99%!! Not that I think Sanders has anywhere near the level of skeletons in his closet (or proudly displayed on his front lawn) as Trump does. But the fact is he would have been vilified if he was running in the GE. Hell, moderate Republicans know that Clinton will largely continue Obama's centrist policies which they can live with despite their incessant whining. Sanders on the other hand would be promising all kinds of transformational change that would scare the hell out of them and get them out to vote.
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Aren't Obama's approval ratings only like 55% right now? And that's people in general, not voters, and with the assumption that he will never ever be president ever again?
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computer parts posted:I mean, I doubt any of them were posting "can't we make a white progressive party" et all on Reddit. True but pundits and media people were very quick to put them all in the same "BernieBro" basket all the same. You had black women protesting Clinton and the commentariat dismissed the protests as "just a bunch of BernieBros making noise again". Honestly the whole thing was really weird and uncomfortable. (To me at least.)
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ImpAtom posted:The argument of "she can't beat 40%!!" ignores that the 'unfavorable' gap is that Clinton is unfavorable with white men and Trump is unfavorable with everyone but white men. Yeah, I hate how the news just repeats "most unfavorable" without pointing out that one of them is actually extremely favorable with her own party and the other isn't.
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Night10194 posted:Some of that might just be Souls to the Polls and all, but still. If Comey just ends up energizing the democratic base or bouncing off and his hatchet job doesn't even accomplish anything, it will be perfect. Especially with the whole "I didn't want to say anything about Russia" bit that came out.
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computer parts posted:Aren't Obama's approval ratings only like 55% right now? And that's people in general, not voters, and with the assumption that he will never ever be president ever again? I am assuming for the purposes of this hypothetical clone example that it is an Obama at the height of his electability and popularity.
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'08 Obama was running in the wake of one of the most unpopular R presidents ever, and benefited a lot from that. The wave in '08 happened because of Obama yes, but it also had to do with the incredibly pissed off voting public. '08 Obama running today would not have that advantage. '08 Obama didn't have to answer for any decisions of the previous administration as well.
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Playing the hypothetical game is exactly what mcmagic wants to do. Let's deal with reality. Next week, Hillary Clinton will become President. Hopefully she has a Democratic Senate to work with as well. Donald Trump will be a big loser, just like everyone knew he would be the second the election started.
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Is anyone watching CNN right now? The female Republican strategist switched sides and just blasted the NY State RNC head (John Jay?) And was basically like "this fantasyland bullshit is why we're losing"
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https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/793470063034634240 25million ad buy in CO, FL, IA, ME, MI, NM, NC, OH, WI, VA, NV, NH for Trump. Hail Mary or we're doomed? For you to decide.
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https://twitter.com/aaroncoal/status/793454287225360384 This is why I don't take people talking about the Podesta emails seriously. This person found an email talking about seizures and immediately assumed it was about Hillary's health, but if you scroll down a bit, it's easy to see that it's Jennifer Palmieri telling John Podesta about someone in her own family's health problems, with Podesta saying "praying for you and the fam." It's a great example of people just giving context the finger.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/793470063034634240 Hail Mary. His flailing actually calms me down a hell of a lot.
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Rabble posted:As a supporter of the Bern, Hillary Clinton is the best person the democrats put forward this cycle. Bernie is great at pushing for progressive policies, and I'd really like to see that in the WH. But POTUS is more than guiding policy and Bernie is stubborn and has a hot head (much like his "bros"). Yeah this is why I supported Hill. Bernie is great, but he has way more value in the Legislature
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Don't know if this was posted but it seems that our buddy Tashan Dorrsett is getting the FBI involved with investigating her ban: https://twitter.com/fatgayandsassy/status/793397187984039936 https://twitter.com/fatgayandsassy/status/793444823969607680 Crain fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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James Garfield posted:In this analogy why did the glass of warm piss win a two candidate primary against a candidate who is phenomenally popular with millennials of all sorts? A high-profile politician of twenty years' experience, with endorsements from every major segment of her party and a DNC that was pulling for her behind closed doors went up against a socialist nobody from outside Vermont had ever heard of before the campaign. He had no platform outside economics, he had no organization, he had no major financial backers, and the name of his political affiliation meant he started in the hole with anyone who hit 10 before the Iron Curtain fell. It is tempting, in retrospect, to declare it was a two-candidate primary. But it's a lie. Hillary Clinton walked into a one-candidate primary with four designated losers. That she walked out of it with 57% of the vote is telling.
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Ze Pollack posted:Disagreed. You're missing one very important variable. See, this I would agree with, but I think Bernie is an odd choice to bring up as an alternative, as he has many potential downsides of his own. I mean, yes, he is a natural comparison to make since he did respectfully in the primaries, but a Vermont Socialist isn't the best starting point for general election, either.
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Harrow posted:https://twitter.com/aaroncoal/status/793454287225360384 Well obviously a family member's health problems is the secret code they use to refer to HRC.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/ericbradner/status/793470063034634240 Hail Mary, potentially hot air. Clinton's got far more in her war chest, and I don't see Trump actually able to buy much in those markets at this point (if anything at all).
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Gonna be run back for a pick-6 by Jabrill Peppers in Michigan, at least.
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Crain posted:Don't know if this was posted but it seems that our buddy Tashan Dorrsett is getting the FBI involved with investigating his ban: lmbo
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Crain posted:Don't know if this was posted but it seems that our buddy Tashan Dorrsett is getting the FBI involved with investigating his ban: I'm sure Comey is getting on this right now.
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James Garfield posted:In this analogy why did the glass of warm piss win a two candidate primary against a candidate who is phenomenally popular with millennials of all sorts? In spite of demographic trends, Coors light, Miller light, and Bud light just have too much of an institutional advantage over craft beer.
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Crain posted:Don't know if this was posted but it seems that our buddy Tashan Dorrsett is getting the FBI involved with investigating his ban: That's.... a hell of a thing.
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mcmagic posted:08 Obama would be beating Trump by 16-18 points and would flip 100 house seats. 1864 Abraham Lincoln would win all 50 states Clearly Hillary is a trash candidate
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