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Monday_ posted:My boss is Filipino and he loving loves Duterte. It takes every ounce of self control I have not to tell him that if his people elected this guy and are happy with him, then they're a bunch of dumb fucks and maybe that's why the place is a third world shithole. I've learned from American Filipinos that Duterte only kills drug dealers and corrupt drug-enabling people, so no biggie.
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I usually find that many of them trip up when you ask why only poor people have been targeted and why the suppliers haven't really be focused on. They usually have no reply to that.
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If they're anything like my boss, they'll just deny that its happening and then when you read them quotes directly from Duterte's mouth, like quote:If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it would be too painful. or quote:Hitler massacred three million Jews. Now, there is three million drug addicts. I'd be happy to slaughter them. they'll just ignore you and pretend you didn't say anything.
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How can anybody listen to that rhetoric and not think he's an insane person?
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Darkman Fanpage posted:How can anybody listen to that rhetoric and not think he's an insane person? See: Donald J. Trump.
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As much as I think it was the right call to halt the sale of M-4's to our police force, it's just going to give Duterte more ammunition (pun intended) to claim that the US is a "fair weather friend" and that American assistance comes with strings attached. Whatever sanctions the US levels against the Philippines, justified or otherwise, righteous or otherwise, is just going to be used as further pretext to run ever faster into the arms of China/Russia.
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Isn't duterte mainly beloved for his anti-USA rhetoric?
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Rated PG-34 posted:Isn't duterte mainly beloved for his anti-USA rhetoric? No. The anti-USA rhetoric did not show up at all during the campaign. If anything, he took his strong tough guy act against China, famously vowing to ride out to the Scarborough Shoal himself on a jetski and plant a Philippine flag there. Duterte was/is beloved for this domestic policy positions, and on the odd occasion where foreign policy was a question he was asked, he either dodged or did a vague Trump-esque "we're going to beat China"
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gradenko_2000 posted:As much as I think it was the right call to halt the sale of M-4's to our police force, it's just going to give Duterte more ammunition (pun intended) to claim that the US is a "fair weather friend" and that American assistance comes with strings attached. This is absolutely true, but the alternative wasn't really a choice either for the US, domestically or internationally-- if they kept quiet the human rights folks would be up in arms over US complicity in extrajudicial killings, and it's not like playing nice would make Duterte any less inclined toward cozying up to China. His embrace of China was assured as soon as he started collecting all of GMA's old cronies. Speaking of which, how much talk has there been in-country of the rumor that Arroyo is elbowing Sen. Cayetano aside as the foreign Secretary who will replace Yasay? Also, satellite imagery is showing China is still keeping fishermen out of Scarborough shoal. The Chinese "relaxed" theur blockade, but only from the restrictions they put in place after the arbitration tribunal; so PH fishermen are still blocked from entering the shoal just as hey have been since the standoff in 2012 but somehow Malacanang is claiming a big victory in negotiations. Beijing is completely having its way with the Philippines and Duterte's team is letting it happen.
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The new thing I'm seeing today from my fellow doctors in the Philippines are various articles and videos about the seven countries that the US is bombing currently, despite having no war approved by Congress and calling Americans hypocrites because "those are the true EJKs."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/02/philippines-duterte-discovered-this-week-that-his-actions-have-consequences/ Fidel Ramos, Duterte's envoy to China, just resigned.
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seiferguy posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/02/philippines-duterte-discovered-this-week-that-his-actions-have-consequences/ Good. And he chewed Duterte out as he walked out the door. But we all know what's really going to happen, Duterte will just call him a traitor and play up his base.
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ihatepants posted:The new thing I'm seeing today from my fellow doctors in the Philippines are various articles and videos about the seven countries that the US is bombing currently, despite having no war approved by Congress and calling Americans hypocrites because "those are the true EJKs." One of the lines of attack that Duterte used to justify turning away from the United States, was that supposedly we could not count on American help in a conflict because any sort of military commitment would first have to be approved by Congress. It's just another example of how loving uninformed he is (willingly or otherwise) because the US bombed Libya for months after Congress voted against an AUMF, and they're still bombing ISIS in Iraq and Syria for two years running now without an AUMF at all. CronoGamer posted:This is absolutely true, but the alternative wasn't really a choice either for the US, domestically or internationally-- if they kept quiet the human rights folks would be up in arms over US complicity in extrajudicial killings, and it's not like playing nice would make Duterte any less inclined toward cozying up to China. Right - I agree, the US couldn't let those guns end up in Bato dela Rosa's hands without confirming every monstrously imperialistic stereotype that a tankie entertains in their head about America, but withdrawing the sale just gives Duterte more pretext to continue lambasting the US anyway (not that he wasn't already going to do that) CronoGamer posted:Speaking of which, how much talk has there been in-country of the rumor that Arroyo is elbowing Sen. Cayetano aside as the foreign Secretary who will replace Yasay? I haven't heard about this at all, actually. A quick google digs up an opinion piece from mid-September floating the idea, but I've not heard any significant scuttlebutt about that. Yasay was always going to be just a placeholder for Cayetano, but if he gives the spot to Arroyo ... I think Cayetano is still too much of a lapdog/true believer to do anything about it, but that'd just drive the knife deeper that this whole administration is just a front for the Arroyo clique. CronoGamer posted:Also, satellite imagery is showing China is still keeping fishermen out of Scarborough shoal. The Chinese "relaxed" theur blockade, but only from the restrictions they put in place after the arbitration tribunal; so PH fishermen are still blocked from entering the shoal just as hey have been since the standoff in 2012 but somehow Malacanang is claiming a big victory in negotiations. Beijing is completely having its way with the Philippines and Duterte's team is letting it happen. Late-breaking news today suggests that Filipino fishermen were ale to enter the shoal, but only because they ran a Chinese blockade, which really does prove the point that there is no accommodation or big win from the administration here. Other recent news: 1. Former President Fidel Ramos, was (allegedly) one of the key players in convincing Duterte to run for President and endorsed him during the campaign. The President named him his Special Envoy to China, sending him on a diplomatic mission there in August to try and thaw ties ahead of the President's official visit last month. But Ramos criticized Duterte in an editorial on the Manila Bulletin on the occasion of the President's first 100 days. Ramos criticized Duterte again on Oct 29, this time citing the President's refusal to sign the Paris Agreement on Climate Change as a serious problem. Ramos resigned as Special Envoy to China on Oct 31st. Yesterday, Duterte shaped the new line of attack against Ramos, invoking his American education and West Point credentials while the President juxtaposed himself as a "local boy", the implication being that Ramos being critical of Duterte and having studied in America must therefore mean he's an American stooge now. 2. Duterte gave a speech today saying that his government will not pursue the use of nuclear power. To editorialize: * this is good because they shouldn't be touching the mothballed Bataan Nuclear Power Plant with a ten-foot pole * this is good because the Philippine government, Duterte's especially, is probably not competent / incorruptible enough to be trusted with nuclear power even if they were to build a new plant * this is bad for the same general reasons that we should be moving to nuclear power as a baseload-power-generator to shore up renewables * this is bad because it may mean that the looming power crisis in the Philippines is not going to be addressed anytime soon (if no one beats me to this, I will try to expound on it in the future) 3. As could be expected, Duterte used the cancellation of the arms deal to bash on Americans some more. He also made noises about sourcing the rifles from Russia instead. I don't know how realistic/feasible this idea would be. 4. As was posted upthread a while back, when Duterte came back from China on Oct 29, he claimed that God spoke to him on the plane, and he swore that he wouldn't swear again Earlier today, he swore. 5. 
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Monday_ posted:My boss is Filipino and he loving loves Duterte. It takes every ounce of self control I have not to tell him that if his people elected this guy and are happy with him, then they're a bunch of dumb fucks and maybe that's why the place is a third world shithole.
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What are the main imports and exports between the US and the Philippines? I'm trying to entertain the effectiveness of a massive embargo on the Philippines for as long as Duterte is in power, which is the economic version of Pope Francis deciding to Excommunicate the nation for the same reason.
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Grouchio posted:What are the main imports and exports between the US and the Philippines? I'm trying to entertain the effectiveness of a massive embargo on the Philippines for as long as Duterte is in power, which is the economic version of Pope Francis deciding to Excommunicate the nation for the same reason. The US sends a lot of farm equipment/generic Ag stuff, PH is mostly service stuff. They'd probably be hurt a lot more than we would.
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There's a bunch of call centers in the Philippines for American companies. I used to work for one. That would probably screw American companies the most, but they'd probably just move their operations to India.
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seiferguy posted:There's a bunch of call centers in the Philippines for American companies. I used to work for one. That would probably screw American companies the most, but they'd probably just move their operations to India. A lot of coding is done there too, I actually have a friend there who codes some popular software (SAP?).
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Grouchio posted:What are the main imports and exports between the US and the Philippines? I'm trying to entertain the effectiveness of a massive embargo on the Philippines for as long as Duterte is in power, which is the economic version of Pope Francis deciding to Excommunicate the nation for the same reason. House maids
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keevo posted:House maids And nurses
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Xelkelvos posted:And nurses We have a ton of Filipino nurses, and they almost always work the night shift.
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seiferguy posted:There's a bunch of call centers in the Philippines for American companies. I used to work for one. That would probably screw American companies the most, but they'd probably just move their operations to India. computer parts posted:A lot of coding is done there too, I actually have a friend there who codes some popular software (SAP?). So yeah I do IT for a call center and my sister is a SAP coder so US companies pulling out of here would be ... bad
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I served a pinoy wearing a duerte wristband at work a few days ago. He said the US was strangling the Philippines. I think some of this behavior comes down to small dog syndrome.
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That's nightmarish. They're packed away like farm animals.
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Xelkelvos posted:And nurses blackguy32 posted:We have a ton of Filipino nurses, and they almost always work the night shift. Ooh can't forget how many of them are in the US Navy. I can't keep track of how many uncles I have that served in the Navy.
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Commerz posted:I served a pinoy wearing a duerte wristband at work a few days ago. He said the US was strangling the Philippines. I think some of this behavior comes down to small dog syndrome. Should have asked him how the US was "strangling" the Philippines and why he thinks China would be any better considering how they treat their own allies.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Should have asked him how the US was "strangling" the Philippines and why he thinks China would be any better considering how they treat their own allies. I said it will be interesting because China doesn't exactly treat countries in Africa well and I could tell that level of discourse was already way over his understanding of the situation so I dropped it
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Been following this thread for a few months and I appreciate how informative it is. Its funny because I ask my filipino relatives things from time to time and they are just as "what the heck is going on" as I am. Thanks for all yhe info guys
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gradenko_2000 posted:
Yeah but isn't this great for balikbayans? Shittier peso means foreign currency remittances are worth more. He's helping the economy, don't you see???
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New York Times: What 'Locker-Room Talk' Sounds Like in the Philippines Machismo isn’t quite what it used to be. Backlash and hashtags now hold politicians accountable for their so-called locker-room talk in much of the world. Yet the Philippines remains a glaring example of how men use language and law to try to emasculate opponents and maintain power. At first glance, Filipinos do well in terms of gender equality. We beat the United States in having a female president by at least 30 years. Our nation has one of Asia’s highest percentages of women in government. Women on average receive more schooling, and their life expectancy leads men’s by almost seven years. This year Filipinos even elected our first transgender congresswoman — a milestone anywhere. Our male leaders, however, belie those achievements. While the Philippines officially aspires to egalitarianism, being a woman can still be a liability and misogyny is still an effective weapon in politics. That happens around the world, but in the Philippines that hypocrisy is worsened by our endemic inequality. In my country, any kind of privilege cultivates impunity, the church influences the state and dynasties control an overwhelming majority of elected positions. These factors help institutionalize sexism and patriarchy into public policy. It took more than a decade of vicious debate before the Congress passed a law in 2012 to help provide poor women with reproductive health care and contraception. One of its most vociferous opponents was Senator Tito Sotto, whose popular TV variety show features scantily clad dancers. “Reproductive health in the context of a true Filipina does not pertain to safe and satisfying sex,” Mr. Sotto said, as he tried to strike a provision from the bill. “When a true Filipina speaks of reproductive health, she means family, marriage, responsible parenthood, nurturing and rearing her children.” Such domineering hypocrisy, paired with the political pull of Christian groups, also explains why the Philippines is the last country, aside from the Vatican, where divorce is prohibited. Many wives remain stuck with husbands who hold power and purse strings. Our penal code even treats with particular leniency murders committed by “any legally married person who, having surprised his spouse in the act of committing sexual intercourse with another person,” kills those involved. The male possessive pronoun is telling, especially since the law also protects parents who kill “daughters under 18 years of age, and their seducer.” The rights of homosexuals also remain controlled by macho politicians. Senator Manny Pacquiao, most famous for his boxing, has declared that “if we approve male on male, female on female, then man is worse than animal.” Other leaders readily disparage gay people to suit their agendas. Teddy Locsin Jr., the Philippines’ new ambassador to the United Nations, once derided those seeking to refurbish Manila’s decrepit airport as “homeless gays” bemoaning the lack of “kneepads in restrooms.” How do our leaders get away with all this? Patronage politics ensures their immunity from their own offending words — and from much worse. Congressman Romeo Jalosjos, for example, received a double life sentence for raping an 11-year-old girl. Yet from behind bars he won re-election twice. And the president commuted his sentence in 2009 — after only 13 years in jail. Similarly, President Joseph Estrada, in office from 1998 to 2001, celebrated having many mistresses. His 2007 life imprisonment for corruption resulted partly from investigations into the mansions he provided them. He was quickly pardoned by his successor, to assuage pressure by his supporters and relatives in government. Mr. Estrada is now mayor of Manila. Our new president, Rodrigo Duterte, seems to understand well how machismo and chauvinism can be spun as populist proof of shared veniality. This septuagenarian boasts of having two wives and two girlfriends, and his love of Viagra. He harassed a female reporter during a news conference. He infamously bantered about raping an Australian missionary. All that is dismissed by Mr. Duterte’s supporters as proof of his authenticity, innocuous wit or frankness about the West and its values. Some prominent women’s groups even back him because of his laudable initiatives when he was a mayor. He established laws against harassment and discrimination, distributed contraceptives and is said to have spent his own money on lawyers for battered women. Yet, he, too, has no problem playing on gender biases for political ends. Recently, an opposition senator, Leila de Lima, led an investigation into the thousands of murders committed during Mr. Duterte’s drug war. The president described Ms. de Lima as “immoral” and an “adulterer.” He said that he had seen a video of the senator having sex with her driver, who, he alleged, was her link to drug lords. That declaration titillated the nation. Like insecure schoolboys in the locker room, Mr. Duterte’s allies gleefully followed his lead. One congressman seconded the president’s remark that the video made him lose his appetite, adding that it was a “horror story” featuring “ugly performers.” Another congressman said: “The male performer is good.” No charges have been filed against Ms. de Lima, and the video was debunked as showing a look-alike. Yet the tactic was the dirtiest of many that succeeded in discrediting her opposition to the president. Such willingness to exploit gender for power has an insidious influence. Filipinos now emulate the methods of our leaders, with women all along the political spectrum threatened online with rape and criticized for their sexuality or their gender as a way to impugn their opinions. The perceived weakness of women remains an easy target. In the Philippines, as elsewhere, our leaders pretend that they’re like the common people. That is their greatest lie and failing. Most are better educated, all enjoy enormous privileges and few lead by example worth following. Mr. Sotto once blamed a contestant on his TV show for having been raped. “You were wearing shorts,” he scolded her, “but still you went and did shots?” And after Mr. Duterte spoke wistfully about not being first in the gang rape of the murdered Australian missionary, he shrugged off the outrage. “This is how men talk,” he said. That may sometimes be true, but Mr. Duterte is also our leader. He, and all those we empower, should finally act like it.
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Background: Senator Trillanes, at least in the context of Philippine politics 2016, was an attack dog for the Liberal Party and is, along with Senator De Lima, one of the few outspoken opposition Senators. Senators slam Trillanes for calling colleagues Duterte apologists quote:Senators protested on Friday a colleague’s statement that some of them are “apologists” of President Rodrigo Duterte, saying it was “uncalled for” and “absurd. It's not really big news, but I was amused at how defensive the rest of the pack sounded.
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Artificer posted:Holy gently caress. My God it really is the Filipino Trump.
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Grouchio posted:Has Hilary Clinton mentioned any plans for the Philippines in her policies? War is sounding to start like the lesser of two evils here. Clinton has only spoken of Duterte once, after the "son of a whore", meeting-with-Obama cancellation incident in early September: quote:Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Wednesday said U.S. President Barack Obama made the right decision to cancel his meeting with Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte. Personally I think it's going to be very Trump-esque the way Duterte is going to be flabbergasted at having to deal with a woman from a position of significantly lesser power, considering how much of a loving sexist pig he is.
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I think I've become too cynical. My first thought at the recently released plans for quickly implemented massive new infrastructure was that it was a big opportunity for graft. It'll also be used to legitimize and apologize for all the other terrible stuff Duterte has been doing, even if the two are completely unrelated. I feel this is what Marcos did; build big infrastructure projects at 3 times the normal price, making it look like he's a "can-do" president while pocketing most of the funds and leaving Filipinos with 4 decades of debt. Certainly, my in-laws are rose-tinted Marcos-era apologists mainly because they recall that he did stuff like build bridges and roads. Big public works are part of the dictator playbook. All of our favorites historical despots employed this tactic. As I said, pretty cynical.
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chird posted:I think I've become too cynical. My first thought at the recently released plans for quickly implemented massive new infrastructure was that it was a big opportunity for graft. It'll also be used to legitimize and apologize for all the other terrible stuff Duterte has been doing, even if the two are completely unrelated. Cross-posting from the awful graphs thread:  You have every right to be cynical. Even their sales pitch for this program is built on shoddy and misleading statistics. Especially since these programs are going to be funded with Chinese loans and built by Chinese contractors Especially since these programs are only going to have a month for their contractor bidding process (because lets not kid ourselves, those Chinese firms are a shoe-in) Especially since these programs are going to be heralded as a proof of Duterte's achievements even as they lay half-built and partly constructed, in much the same way that many of his "achievements" in his "first 100 days" was just him starting things.
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