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Hogama
Sep 3, 2011

Going with Amano's black and red used in Dissidia over her final boss colors. Wonder if that'll be a Dress Record.

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Armitage
Aug 16, 2005

"Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."
Man, am I the only one that wishes we had Sporefall as an ability? I'm sick of seeing it used against me because it's such a horribly broken, perfect, and unstoppable skill but I can see it being a useful 8* skill.

Inge
Jan 16, 2007
SERIOUSLY THATS DISGUSTING I'M TRYING TO EAT

Armitage posted:

Man, am I the only one that wishes we had Sporefall as an ability? I'm sick of seeing it used against me because it's such a horribly broken, perfect, and unstoppable skill but I can see it being a useful 8* skill.

Well if blue magic ever gets in, you can pretty much guarantee bad breath, which is more or less the same.

Surprised I haven't seen it as a SB yet, maybe Strago's BSB?

Armitage
Aug 16, 2005

"Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."

Inge posted:

Well if blue magic ever gets in, you can pretty much guarantee bad breath, which is more or less the same.

Surprised I haven't seen it as a SB yet, maybe Strago's BSB?

At least Bad Breath can miss, Sporefall permanently fucks up the battle when it's unleashed.

I'm finally catching up with the 12 event, can you tell? The 99 difficulty dungeon should have an extra 9 or maybe 9 extra 9s because of Sporefall.

Inge
Jan 16, 2007
SERIOUSLY THATS DISGUSTING I'M TRYING TO EAT

Armitage posted:

At least Bad Breath can miss, Sporefall permanently fucks up the battle when it's unleashed.

I'm finally catching up with the 12 event, can you tell? The 99 difficulty dungeon should have an extra 9 or maybe 9 extra 9s because of Sporefall.

Yeah it's a pain in the arse. Lifesiphon and other no-miss skills are pretty much mandatory.

Speaking of which, what happens if someone under burst gets confused or berserk? Do they uncontrollably spam the BSB command or is it just normal attack?

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

Inge posted:

Speaking of which, what happens if someone under burst gets confused or berserk? Do they uncontrollably spam the BSB command or is it just normal attack?

Normal attack.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

Varance posted:

Magus Twins

Alxprit
Feb 7, 2015

<click> <click> What is it with this dancing?! Bouncing around like fools... I would have thought my own kind at least would understand the seriousness of our Adventurer's Guild!

they look the same

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

isn't there three of them though

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

IcePhoenix posted:

isn't there three of them though

Not after Terra uses Meltdown. :getin:

Sprite141
Feb 7, 2009

I should really just
learn to stop talking.
Ok, so I did some math to test my current monk's ability to reach maximum lifebane. I was using either their level 65 attack or whatever level the were if higher than that. I also used dragoon's determintion as their rm, the 50% attack boosting monk move and a 30% attack boost ontop of that from a rw. Isn't onion Knight's bsb an attack and magic boost of about that level?

Anyway, once I get axe access on galuf, I'll only have 5-hit lifebane in 3 realms. Not counting ffxiii, cause zell is my chain starter/full charge guy and raijin isn't out yet. Tifa and snow need 21 more points in attack. Yang, amarant and sabin need 26 more. Refia needs like 8 more if I'm using her default soul break, and yda needs an astronomical 72 points. Technically joseph needs like 10 more points, but gently caress joseph.

I only have 4*+++ daggers and fists for yang, tifa, snow and sabin. So if I pull a weaponthey cn actually use, they will surely benefit from it. I also need to keep farming dark matter for all these 4* weapons and armor I'm boosting. loving gyshal greens will not drop.

the Orb of Zot
Jun 25, 2013

Apport: the Orb of Zot
The orb shrieks as your magic touches it!
Yoink! You pull the item towards yourself.
You see here the Orb of Zot.
Let temptation take me and did an 11-pull on Ashe 1.

I now have an Orichalium Dirk+, Alberdann, and a decent heavy armor with minor dark resistance. No Ashe BSB, but I think I came out well enough.

EDIT: Also Magus Sisters died horribly to a 565 ATK Celes before any other modifiers.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Sprite141 posted:

and a 30% attack boost ontop of that from a rw. Isn't onion Knight's bsb an attack and magic boost of about that level?

OK's BSB along with other bursts like it (for example, Maria's Song) are +30% ATK/MAG, yes.

If you've got a good enough selfish boost SB that stacks with Shout/Meteor Crush (for example, Combat King or Refia's upcoming BSB) then you can hit five hits in any realm as long as you have a synergy 5* weapon for your monk to use. Likewise, Jecht with Dark Bargain won't have many problems, though that leaves him choosing between DB and MC if you aren't running Shout.

Referee
Aug 25, 2004

"Winning is great, sure, but if you are really going to do something in life, the secret is learning how to lose. Nobody goes undefeated all the time. If you can pick up after a crushing defeat, and go on to win again, you are going to be a champion someday."
(Wilma Rudolph)

Is Celes' Lightbringer coming back anytime soon or do I need to chase it on this banner if I want it?

pichupal
Mar 23, 2013

Poochy ain't Stupid.
I might be.
Celes OSB Banner in 5 months. It's a long wait but if you really like Celes and wouldn't mind the Medicas Girl Power isn't that bad of a banner.

It was on Keeper's Choice 3 in Japan as well, so it's pretty likely it'll show up there with your choice of EnElement SB. While the Keeper's Choice Banners have changed, they've mainly been upgrades so Lightbringer should only disappear if they add an OSB to that Banner. Probably in 3 months?

Kemix
Dec 1, 2013

Because change
Is it just me or does FF12 in general have the worst designed and overtuned bosses in the game so far? Because Ahariman is loving bullshit with it's Maser Eye. I honestly worry for us if they decide to make Yizamat a boss. Fuckin Millions of HP in it's home game.

Kemix fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Nov 2, 2016

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Kemix posted:

Is it just me or does FF12 in general have the worst designed and overtuned bosses in the game so far? Because Ahariman is loving bullshit with it's Maser Eye.

Worst designed? Yes. Overtuned? I think FF8 edges it out, just barely. I'd rather deal with Ahriman and Daedlus than Mote Ifrit, the Disciplinary Committee, or, god forbid, Parade Float.

Armitage
Aug 16, 2005

"Mathman's not here." "Oh? Where is he?" "He's in the Mathroom."
I never want to see Elder Wyrm as a greater than 50 difficulty boss ever again. I'm not gonna go back and champion that fight. gently caress that. Badly designed and overtuned too.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
FFXII isn't nearly as bad as III. :colbert: Not looking forward to whatever shenanigans Garuda is going to have in the Cloud of Darkness event.

I mean Mandragoras are a pain, but some of XII's fights like Dr. Cid are pathetically easy. Also just about all of the worst fights (except again, Mandragoras) are weak to Holy.

Sprite141
Feb 7, 2009

I should really just
learn to stop talking.

KataraniSword posted:

OK's BSB along with other bursts like it (for example, Maria's Song) are +30% ATK/MAG, yes.

If you've got a good enough selfish boost SB that stacks with Shout/Meteor Crush (for example, Combat King or Refia's upcoming BSB) then you can hit five hits in any realm as long as you have a synergy 5* weapon for your monk to use. Likewise, Jecht with Dark Bargain won't have many problems, though that leaves him choosing between DB and MC if you aren't running Shout.

Well I have apocalypse shield, but if I'd be planning on using that then I'd be not bothering with cid missions.

Koobes
Nov 6, 2012

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

I need every earth crystal I can possibly find if I ever want to hone meltdown :shepicide:

I need every earth crystal I can possibly find if I ever want to hone Lifebane :unsmith:

Alxprit
Feb 7, 2015

<click> <click> What is it with this dancing?! Bouncing around like fools... I would have thought my own kind at least would understand the seriousness of our Adventurer's Guild!

I'm enjoying running the gil daily and having greens drops and gil drops at the same time. None of this "overwriting an orb" nonsense.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Kemix posted:

I honestly worry for us if they decide to make Yizamat a boss.

oh god

break out those 10-honed darkness skills and hang on boys

Panic! at Nabisco
Jun 6, 2007

it seemed like a good idea at the time
I still have no idea why they bothered giving Maria, Rosa, Vincent, and Serah sharpshooter 5*. It's not like they can do physical damage worth a drat, so unless they add magic shooter commands...

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

I still have no idea why they bothered giving Maria, Rosa, Vincent, and Serah sharpshooter 5*. It's not like they can do physical damage worth a drat, so unless they add magic shooter commands...

It's a flavor thing. Rosa/Vincent/Serah are all canonically ranged specialists (it's also why Rosa has a splash of Celerity), and Maria is the only Bow Mage other than Serah.

They may give it magical skills eventually, though. Hell, a MAG-based holy attack would be especially interesting, considering the only other non-SB source of that is Alexander and none of the Shooter mages have Summon.

Referee
Aug 25, 2004

"Winning is great, sure, but if you are really going to do something in life, the secret is learning how to lose. Nobody goes undefeated all the time. If you can pick up after a crushing defeat, and go on to win again, you are going to be a champion someday."
(Wilma Rudolph)

pichupal posted:

Celes OSB Banner in 5 months. It's a long wait but if you really like Celes and wouldn't mind the Medicas Girl Power isn't that bad of a banner.

It was on Keeper's Choice 3 in Japan as well, so it's pretty likely it'll show up there with your choice of EnElement SB. While the Keeper's Choice Banners have changed, they've mainly been upgrades so Lightbringer should only disappear if they add an OSB to that Banner. Probably in 3 months?

I was afraid you were going to say that. I have two duplicates already on the banner and apart from the two BSB's that's all I'd really want. I guess I'll wait for a better time. There's always a new shiny to chase.

Orfeo
Nov 27, 2007

Ectobiology sure does involve a lot of button pushing.
We're... what, 3 weeks away from the FF3/Onion Knight event? I'm closing back in on 150 mythril and it's starting to get real heavy.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

I need every earth crystal I can possibly find if I ever want to hone meltdown :shepicide:

i thought black crystals were the bottleneck there

Panic! at Nabisco
Jun 6, 2007

it seemed like a good idea at the time

IllegallySober posted:

I was afraid you were going to say that. I have two duplicates already on the banner and apart from the two BSB's that's all I'd really want. I guess I'll wait for a better time. There's always a new shiny to chase.
It also appears on a really solid OSBfest banner, if it isn't replaced in global!


What a gorgeous banner.

SageAcrin
Apr 23, 2014

there was a mean thing here before, but now there is a dog

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

I still have no idea why they bothered giving Maria, Rosa, Vincent, and Serah sharpshooter 5*. It's not like they can do physical damage worth a drat, so unless they add magic shooter commands...

Actually, Maria and especially Vincent have disconcertingly high attack power. Maria's comparable to Edward, and Vincent actually beats Red and substantially outslugs Barret in his own cast. If you have his own guns, he even can do it while casting spells! He's kinda neat that way.

I could see sometime where Sapphire Shot off them might be a better option than their water magic for hitting a water weakness, considering it double hits. Maybe. If I squint.

It's a small niche, but it's there!

And for Rosa, I believe the 4* is her best/only multiple target damage option, so maybe it'd be sorta useful if you have a copy laying around, for dailies.

There is absolutely no fathomable use for Serah's. :v:

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

SageAcrin posted:

There is absolutely no fathomable use for Serah. :v:

Fixed. The XIII-2 characters just... why do they exist.

Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)
Why the gently caress does DNEA continue to make bosses with maxxed out or borderline maxed out speed.

They're loving stupid and not fun to fight at all. Doesn't help he has not one, but 2 moves he can spam at will halfway that basically end the attempt right then and there.

Kemix
Dec 1, 2013

Because change

KataraniSword posted:

Fixed. The XIII-2 characters just... why do they exist.

Good question. Your answer is: Square Enix Needed More Money

Why the sequels to 13 even existed in the first loving place is a mystery. Though we can all just simply blame Motomu Toriyama :argh: and go on with our lives.

Panic! at Nabisco
Jun 6, 2007

it seemed like a good idea at the time

Kemix posted:

Good question. Your answer is: Square Enix Needed More Money

Why the sequels to 13 even existed in the first loving place is a mystery. Though we can all just simply blame Motomu Toriyama :argh: and go on with our lives.
Bite your tongue, Fabula Nova Crystallis: Final Fantasy XIII-3: Versatile and Unique Flower Lightning-sama Returns is a masterpiece and I will hear no blasphemy against it

It might be unintentionally good, but that doesn't make it any less amazing a game to experience

YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

The XIII series is weird because the games only get more solid gameplay wise as you get further in while the story just kind of ignites into a horrific fire as you go.

Also while Noel's skillset is kind of wonky his relics are all very solid, his BSB in particular is a great mitigation tool to have on a non-support. Serah is kind of just a stock standard black mage though sadly. Even her BSB is just a basic damage + EnSpell thing. Her second SSB is really good at least, offering MAG/MND +30% and Hastega for some delicious mage meta buff stacking.

LornMarkus
Nov 8, 2011

YoshiOfYellow posted:

The XIII series is weird because the games only get more solid gameplay wise as you get further in while the story just kind of ignites into a horrific fire as you go.

Also while Noel's skillset is kind of wonky his relics are all very solid, his BSB in particular is a great mitigation tool to have on a non-support. Serah is kind of just a stock standard black mage though sadly. Even her BSB is just a basic damage + EnSpell thing. Her second SSB is really good at least, offering MAG/MND +30% and Hastega for some delicious mage meta buff stacking.

Yeah, I tried to read a plot synopsis of XIII-2's story the other day and hoo boy is that ever some convoluted, stupid bullshit. Though it doesn't help that any time I think about XIII-2 I remember reading that interview with the devs where they assured the interviewer that, though Serah was using a sword in that scene they just showed, she'd soon enough get a weapon that would preserve her femininity. :cripes:

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

It also appears on a really solid OSBfest banner, if it isn't replaced in global!


What a gorgeous banner.

Yeah, it looks pretty great.

I look forward to getting repeat copies of Sun Blade and Raines's Gloves. :shepface:

pichupal
Mar 23, 2013

Poochy ain't Stupid.
I might be.
Noel's SSB is the cool one I think. It's literally built for weak phase spamming between Instant Cast, self Chaincharge x2 and 100% Interrupt chance. I think that only shows up in the Lightning OSB Banner though.

The XIII-2 plot is more Etro is really dumb, and so are the people who follow her.

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

It also appears on a really solid OSBfest banner, if it isn't replaced in global!

OSB Banners tend to change, although considering how popular Celes is it's probably got a pretty good chance of showing up anyways. I just mentioned the Keeper's Choice since those have changed the least between here and Japan, or at least changed in somewhat predictable ways.

The Terra OSB Banner was Fire themed and the Hope OSB Banner was Holy themed, hopefully they go all out with the others and theme them. That said, DENA also did things like putting Bartz's Enwind on a different Banner then his OSB and Bartz's Banner having 3 other water SBs, not Tidus's.

I'm expecting to pull on that Holy Banner and end up with a dupe Garland's Dark SSB.

pichupal fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Nov 2, 2016

Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)
Aside from "When's FF4 Cid" and "Will Ricard ever get another SB", since those have been confirmed in JP, what other silly poo poo that makes no sense that fucks someone over has there yet to be resolved?

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Attestant
Oct 23, 2012

Don't judge me.

Shoenin posted:

Aside from "When's FF4 Cid" and "Will Ricard ever get another SB", since those have been confirmed in JP, what other silly poo poo that makes no sense that fucks someone over has there yet to be resolved?

Blue Magic, and the characters that were clearly left terrible because they might get the skill school eventually. For example: Quistis, Kimahri, Quina, and also all of their weapons that have +Mag regardless of their actual casting abilities. It's seems like they've been future proofing them for blue magic from the start.

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