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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:White guilt is an inevitable and harmless step on the journey of learning about privilege and intersectionality. If someone never progresses farther than that that's a problem, but I don't like to condemn it particularly because it's a pretty much unavoidable reaction any decent person would have when learning history from anything but a white dude perspective. Edit: If I had to articulate it better, I'm not convinced that guilt is a useful emotion. I don't think people should make decisions based on guilt. We should do the right thing because it is the right thing, not because we'll feel bad if we don't.
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Put plainly, how shocked will the world be when Trump is convicted of child rape and the news has to report he was under investigation for it the entire election but never talked about it?
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Nov 2, 2016 21:18
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FactsAreUseless posted:I left the others in. I didn't edit it out earlier because I also assumed it was a fake number, so no worries. Posting PMs is bad form, but only against the rules if they contain personal info, and I think it's safe to say it was an accident since almost everyone thought it was a fake number. They're just random numbers. No worries.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It really does depend on the person. Geography is not necessarily destiny. And that motherfucker from Connecticut is no longer in the senate... but lets conveniently ignore that fact because it doesn't fit a deranged idiot's world view.
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Lightning Knight posted:Why are so many polls coming out good for Hillary but 538 is slowly going down? Belatedly, I think he said on twitter it's mainly because of that run of crazy +9-12 polls aging out of the aggregation as things settle on +2 to +4.
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Nov 2, 2016 21:19
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It really does depend on the person. Geography is not necessarily destiny. The "good" senators you are talking about were in less partisan times. Also the good senators from Dakota were the ones who killed Public Option. (WV wasn't a red state until 2008, during which time we've had Joe Manchin -- who I personally have an affinity for, but disagree with on almost everything.) But the larger point to McMagic is that he thinks that absolute best possible outcome is the only "acceptable" or "good" outcome, despite it being really, really unlikely to have happened regardless of who the candidates were and that specific supposition "but if only it wasn't HRC at the top of the ticket" or his other dumb "but if only she'd thrown the slant on 3 and 2" are both pointless and stupid. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:White guilt is an inevitable and harmless step on the journey of learning about privilege and intersectionality. If someone never progresses farther than that that's a problem, but I don't like to condemn it particularly because it's a pretty much unavoidable reaction any decent person would have when learning history from anything but a white dude perspective. Yeah, that is how I try to treat it for myself. The guilt is an instigator for reflection and action, not the end goal itself.
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Covok posted:Put plainly, how shocked will the world be when Trump is convicted of child rape and the news has to report he was under investigation for it the entire election but never talked about it? What is the statute of limitations on rape cases in that jurisdiction though?
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Nov 2, 2016 21:20
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Kander's not going to go along with a lot of the more progressive left poo poo. (He might actually still win that race.) You have such a hardon to argue with me about every single thing that I post that you're literally arguing that it's not better for the democrats to have more seats in the senate rather than less. lol
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Nonsense posted:CNN refuses to cover Trump rape, but will heavily discuss Bill Clinton's faux rear end son. The latter is probably more entertaining.
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Alan Smithee posted:I have a fb friend saying the emails turned some republican senators from Hillary to trump. Is there any that actually claimed this? No Butt Stuff posted:I'm not sure I understand. In Missouri, I'm pretty sure Jason Kander isn't one who's going to be a huge pain in the rear end if he wins. He seems pretty in line with the Democratic platform.
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Non Serviam posted:What is the statute of limitations on rape cases in that jurisdiction though? Well, he's on trial for it so it hasn't expired. Like, the trial is set.
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Teddybear posted:Lisa Bloom is the daughter of Gloria Allred, a long-time legal commentator, and an accomplished attorney in her own right, so it's not like she's some random attorney fresh out of the Hollywood Correspondence Law School. Yeah it was horrible that Woods did that, but Psychosis is a horrible affliction.
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Regarding Non Serviam's whole "if you're ~A Black~ I'm sorry but if you're not, shut up" thing - it's an enormous relief when I see someone besides me and the other black Leper's Colony regulars pipe up about racism, and I notice and appreciate that over the past few months more and more people have felt comfortable jumping in and being good allies. It means a lot, thank you all.
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Indiana voters will be asked the very important question "Should hunting and fishing rights be enshrined in the state constitution?" this year. There are currently no challenges against hunting or fishing in the state. Indiana GOP want to add it to the constitution "just cuz". Deified Data fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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Black church in MS burned, I wonder if well-intentioned Republicans will donate to repair it?
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Nov 2, 2016 21:21
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FactsAreUseless posted:Edit: If I had to articulate it better, I'm not convinced that guilt is a useful emotion. I don't think people should make decisions based on guilt. We should do the right thing because it is the right thing, not because we'll feel bad if we don't. Well yeah, people should do the right thing solely because its the right thing, but a lot of people don't. In a perfect world we could advocate for moral action on the virtue of it being moral. Unfortunately, in this world I think sometimes we need to use subjective emotion to give ourselves and others a "push" in the right direction.
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Covok posted:Well, he's on trial for it so it hasn't expired. Like, the trial is set. That's a lawsuit though. That's a civil matter. Prison would require a criminal trial. Edit. A conviction, I mean.
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Northjayhawk posted:Here though race is an issue and you have the unfortunate angry black man stereotype so its probably not a good idea to go there here, but people used to it on other forums and probably not even thinking about race don't realize that. It's also quite understandable to be angry about the issues discussed in D&D. If someone is angrily making good points, they're making good points. (Didn't catch the start of this, so no idea if Crain was actually making good points or what.)
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A Winner is Jew posted:Democrats are already looking to lose the senate in 2018, and you're a loving idiot on your other point. Yes but you see if Bernie was running they'd win more seats and blue dogs would fall in line and the party would definitely go along with whatever Sanders says because he's such a great leader! I'm sure his followers won't just fizzle out like every other populist-of-the-year politician's movements have. Right? Also somehow the wifebeating shady businessman would've done better against Rubio in the FL senate race. Arrrthritis posted:Can we have corncobs be the new dumbass avatar? Modify the Stupid Newbie image to be Stupid Corncobs? The little (?) could be a tiny
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Covok posted:Well, he's on trial for it so it hasn't expired. Like, the trial is set. It's a civil case
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Oh, Vote Trump is a trending topic. Let's see what's being posted.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yes it has, the bus video was a big hit in his polling. It's just that the decision voters are making isn't "Trump or Clinton?" it's "Trump or No One?" or "Clinton or No One?" and people who are likely voters are likely to, well, vote.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Regarding Non Serviam's whole "if you're ~A Black~ I'm sorry but if you're not, shut up" thing - it's an enormous relief when I see someone besides me and the other black Leper's Colony regulars pipe up about racism, and I notice and appreciate that over the past few months more and more people have felt comfortable jumping in and being good allies. It means a lot, thank you all. I will be honest, I never jumped in before because I was worried it would be patronizing to do so. But then gfsincere shamed me super hard about it a few days ago and I realized I was wrong. So all respect to gfsincere if he is reading for motivating me to try and be a better ally.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:The "good" senators you are talking about were in less partisan times. Don't forget Feinstein who is a democrat from the ultra liberal state of CA and also a horrible senator on basically everything progressive. I would still take 50 Feinstein's over 1 Collins / Murkowski / Heller / Kirk because majorities matter.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So by breaking her silence do they mean breaking anonymity or just reading a prepared statement. It is, unfortunately, a dead story no matter what. Her breaking her anonymity this close to the election is going to be viewed with incredible suspicion and if she so much as stole a Twizzlers as a baby she'll be discredited, mocked and attacked as a liar. If her story is true then she's in for a horror-fest over something that happened and if it isn't then she's still in for a horror-fest but she's not going to actually be taken seriously.
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I've mentioned this before, but if you look at the chairs, they obviously need a fresh coat of paint, and they're sitting out in the driveway, as if they were about to be painted. And coincidentally, someone else used black spray paint to vandalize his driveway with a curiously phrased message.
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Law-Talking Guys in the thread: I support abolishing the statute of limitations for sex crimes, but am I being a dumb layman? Is there a monkey's paw downside to that i'm not seeing?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:read like literally any book written on race in the last century or so lol, is this similar to the "just google it" defense of a position?
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Crows Turn Off posted:The sexual assault stuff may have had a small impact initially, but in the long-term it's done nothing, as we can see from the current round of polling. He's not losing support because of that stuff anymore. I think he has though, he took a huge hit among women that has not recovered. Most of his new support aren't from women going "eh, I'm over it, fine grab my pussy", its Republicans who were thinking about Johnson going "lol, never mind, I'm not voting Gary, MAGA!"
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mcmagic posted:You have such a hardon to argue with me about every single thing that I post that you're literally arguing that it's not better for the democrats to have more seats in the senate rather than less. lol No, that's not what I am arguing with you about and that you cannot understand that is such a microcosm of why you're constantly being told you're an idiot. You: "You think having 50-50 senate is an acceptable outcome" Me: "51/49, but yes. that's fine." You: "No its not because puppies and rainbows mean it should 55-56" Me: "That wasn't ever going to happen." You: "Yes it was, and it's the only outcome I will broker as being good because it would minimize people who I don't like." Me: "No, it wouldn't because the people being elected in those races to get to that are very similar to the people you just said you don't like." You: "  "
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Covok posted:Regardless, headline would still be "Court ruled Trump raped a child." I feel that "Trump engages in misconduct with Women" is dog bites man and isn't changing anyone's minds.
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Crows Turn Off posted:The sexual assault stuff may have had a small impact initially, but in the long-term it's done nothing, as we can see from the current round of polling. He's not losing support because of that stuff anymore. The sexual assault stuff does, however, provide the context and character that this claim today will be judged against.
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spacetoaster posted:lol, is this similar to the "just google it" defense of a position? Under the deafening popping sounds a thousand kernels cried out: Why won't you educate meeeeeeee?
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Law-Talking Guys in the thread: I support abolishing the statute of limitations for sex crimes, but am I being a dumb layman? Is there a monkey's paw downside to that i'm not seeing? Statutory is the only one that comes to mind immediately if there aren't already romeo & juliet laws on the books.
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spacetoaster posted:lol, is this similar to the "just google it" defense of a position? No its the "there are entire schools of thought on this issue you could explore on your own time and I am not gonna waste my time dragging you through race theory 101 when its obvious you are not actually interested in learning about it in the first place" defense.
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mcmagic posted:I feel that "Trump engages in misconduct with Women" is dog bites man and isn't changing anyone's minds. Said women was 13 years old at the time.
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greatn posted:It's a civil case Trump will have two choices if he goes to trial over this. He either settles or obliterates the accuser. His lawyers know that burden of proof on civil cases is lower, so unless they want to risk losing they'd have to destroy the plaintiff. Huffington Post ran an article on the suit, that is basically full of the kinds of things that would be useless in criminal court, but that you can probably use on a civil case http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/10619944
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I've mentioned this before, but if you look at the chairs, they obviously need a fresh coat of paint, and they're sitting out in the driveway, as if they were about to be painted. Just to play devil's advocate... maybe he was going to paint the chairs, left the can out by the chairs and someone walking by saw the flag and decided to be opportunistic.
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