|
In the scene were that one host mixes up scripts and kills his partner while drinking milk, was the family that was in the room people or hosts as well? And has it been explained how far hosts would go in terms of hurting people (as part of the park's atmosphere, not hosts going off-script)? I was surprised seeing Logan getting choked out and then getting his poo poo kicked by the Confederados.
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 00:11
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 23:59 |
|
|
BetterToRuleInHell posted:In the scene were that one host mixes up scripts and kills his partner while drinking milk, was the family that was in the room people or hosts as well? Those two that were huddled were guests. And Logan answered your second question when Bill shot the guy who grabbed Clemintine in Sweetwater. B:I thought you said we couldn't get hurt. L:Ehhh I said we couldn't die. Or something very close to that effect.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 00:16
|
|
|
BetterToRuleInHell posted:And has it been explained how far hosts would go in terms of hurting people (as part of the park's atmosphere, not hosts going off-script)? I was surprised seeing Logan getting choked out and then getting his poo poo kicked by the Confederados. It seems that the roughness of the hosts depends on the timeframe you are watching. They toned down how rough they could be over the years, hence the puffs of gunfire on MiB versus the knock-down paintball hit on William.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 00:30
|
|
|
If they really must do a timeframe-thing, I just hope they add a REASON for MiB being William. We're at 5 of 10 and I still don't see any. I'm sure it'll be in the final 90 seconds of episode 10 as a hook to get me to tune in to Season 2. Lost did this poo poo in the final season where every scene on the island (where they were trying to change the past and prevent the crash) was cut with a scene in which the characters' never crashed on the island and lived out their alternate lives. It culminated in a ~twist~ that had no relevance or significance of any kind. It was just a "huh... ok." moment.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 00:38
|
|
|
Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:I watched the season again over the last two days. That fourth episode makes the two timeframe theory pretty hard to accept without really getting into the weeds. We don't see why Dolores was in the woods where she finds Will if it is not because she ran away after shooting Rebus in the present. She knows her father is dead so it would likely have to be a time when he was shot and she escaped. Teddy wouldn't have been there yet. It's not the time we saw her shoot Rebus because Teddy and the guest with the long hair we see at the farmhouse interact and she seems to have a MiB flashback. So, the last we would have seen Dolores prior to showing up in the woods was when Will picked up the milk and there would be no explanation as to why she was in the woods. She awoke with a gun by her side the next morning which makes you think that she still had it from Rebus though, of course, we've seen her dig up a gun. I suppose the part where she digs up the gun could have come right before she went out into the woods and found Will and maybe her mental state is due to hearing the voice. Then the farmhouse room sequence with the gun would make a little more sense - one day she has it in her drawer and then the next it is gone because she has buried it. Also don't forget that the reason that Teddy isn't there before she flees and runs into William and Logan is that Teddy is now on the brand-new narrative, which the Man in Black has also just discovered. You really can't make that any clearer. All that the two timeframe people have left is the logo and that's easily explainable, the new logo is, well, new and hasn't been spread to any other part of the park other than the elevator and main offices.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 00:43
|
|
|
Do they ever comment on how old Teddy is? Does the MiB comment on having hung out with Teddy since his first visit or any poo poo like that?
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 00:46
|
|
|
To be clear, at no point have I been referencing material from the trailers and I am legit confused if people are talking to me 
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:01
|
|
|
You guys are just being sarcastic now, right? The show is obviously showing us intertwined but distinct narratives separated by a chunk of time. I don't claim to know much more than that, but by this point they have pretty much hit us over the head with it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:01
|
|
|
Bicyclops posted:I am legit confused if people are talking to me Do you have a Bicameral Mind?
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:03
|
|
|
Gooble Rampling posted:separated by a chunk of time. What makes this part obvious? The logo? EDIT: In case the below is directed at me, I'll make it explicitly clear that there's 0% emotional charge in my post. I just didn't see anything I would call "obvious" when I watched it, and I'm curious what I missed. GoGoGadgetChris fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Nov 4, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:06
|
|
|
Shhhhhhh, Shhhhh thread. It's alright. It's ok. Shhhhh, Shhhhh. Watch your show and enjoy it. It's ok, to just enjoy it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:12
|
|
|
Lycus posted:Do you have a Bicameral Mind? Haha, no. Of course not. Don't worry, Arnold, I didn't say anything.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:14
|
|
|
GoGoGadgetChris posted:What makes this part obvious? The logo? It's obvious there are a lot of different narratives over time even if MiB is not William and Will/Logan's run are not 30 years ago. There are narratives with Maeve at an Indian massacre and Dolores at the church, for instance.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:21
|
|
|
Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:It's obvious there are a lot of different narratives over time even if MiB is not William and Will/Logan's run are not 30 years ago. There are narratives with Maeve at an Indian massacre and Dolores at the church, for instance. A new timeline has been discovered: The MiB's 5th birthday party https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRIx1CP0Lrk
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:25
|
|
|
GoGoGadgetChris posted:What makes this part obvious? The logo? It has been several small things that eventually added up to "obvious" to me. A "death by small cuts" if you will. Most of it involves editing choices and deliberately vague dialogue. An editing example would be when the voice asks Delores to remember followed by a dreamlike cut to our first introduction to William. A vague dialogue example (which seemed to really confuse many viewers) would be when the behind-the-scenes security guy asks about Delores going off loop and the technician says they aren't sure if she is with a guest or not. I could name more, but I am typing this on my phone. Essentially it seems that we are watching intercut footage of Delores retracing a journey she took with William during her first brush with consciousness however many years ago.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:33
|
|
|
King Vidiot posted:Also don't forget that the reason that Teddy isn't there before she flees and runs into William and Logan is that Teddy is now on the brand-new narrative, which the Man in Black has also just discovered. You really can't make that any clearer. Lawrence is the strongest sign of two time frames, he is killed and drained of his blood for Teddy but is then seen at the outlaw city by William and Logan.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:34
|
|
|
Kephael posted:Lawrence is the strongest sign of two time frames, he is killed and drained of his blood for Teddy but is then seen at the outlaw city by William and Logan. While it seemed sudden, everyone seems to forget the people in the town saying they'd have to wait to see him; editing made it appear faster than it was. There was a several hour gap and that town is his "respawn" point. It's not unreasonable at all since probably refilling him with blood and patching his throat takes like 20 minutes tops.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:36
|
|
|
GoGoGadgetChris posted:EDIT: In case the below is directed at me, I'll make it explicitly clear that there's 0% emotional charge in my post. I just didn't see anything I would call "obvious" when I watched it, and I'm curious what I missed. No no no. Just a gentle reminder to the whole thread.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:37
|
|
|
Gooble Rampling posted:It seems that the roughness of the hosts depends on the timeframe you are watching. They toned down how rough they could be over the years, hence the puffs of gunfire on MiB versus the knock-down paintball hit on William. ... Though the real reason is that the MiB is a transhumanist specializing in artificial limbs and organs ("Your foundation saved my sister's life!") and is himself largely artificial at this point. Recall his despondent admiration for how the hosts used to be (a million beautiful perfect parts) vs the crudeness of flesh and blood. William gets knocked on his rear end because of his frail flesh while the MiB shrugs off point blank fire because he's more machine than man.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 01:56
|
|
|
Yo its weird how that guy who's been coming to the park for 30 years shrugs off the BB's, but the first timer who got shot on day 1 fell down. we should probably read into that, definitely something fishy going on there.... definitely a hidden clue in there, like why would that ever happen? Rackin' my brain here...
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 02:05
|
|
|
What is there that connects William to the MiB? I'm trying to think why it would be actually be interesting for them to be the same person. William is a total neutral party in the "do hosts have rights" issue, so it's not like it would be a fall-from-grace, good-turns-evil story if he ends up as the MiB. Logan tells William what a milquetoast businessman he is, but the MiB is a savvy Foundation Owner. William is nice to Dolores and MiB rapes her in a barn. William smiles a lot and Ed Harris tells people he'll cut their throat if they ruin his loving vacation. William wears a lot of white and Ed Harris wears black. Maybe it's all about The Duality of Man  But overall we're at episode 5 of 10. Plenty of time for it to become meaningful for William to become a guy that he doesn't have much in common with.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 02:15
|
|
|
GoGoGadgetChris posted:William is nice to Dolores and MiB rapes her in a barn. I absolutely don't believe he did that. From what we know of him now, and the other flashbacks, I am fairly positive he scalped her. And he did after the death of her "father" so she'd be in the emotional state she was, where the AI will be 'unlock' as has been shown. ED: I also hope I'm right because taking a deplorable evil action like that and flipping the whole thing so it turns out to have not been an evil action at all, and everything he did was to unlock something in Dolores, it's kind of genius.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 02:27
|
|
|
It can't take place on an actual planet or in nature, as there is zero weather variation. Don't ask me what it is though. The two time line theory is hurting my head and I enjoyed the show before the fans got so Lost like. I was super into Lost and felt super betrayed by the way it ended up.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 02:29
|
|
|
Leon Einstein posted:It can't take place on an actual planet or in nature, as there is zero weather variation. Don't ask me what it is though. Dr Hammond asks if the giant excavation project has caused "the neighbors" to complain, so I'd guess it does take place in actual outside. The handy thing about the show being in The Future is they can just say they cured weather or something. Or, I mean, we've only seen ~5 distinct days in the park. Maybe they've all been in July?
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 02:41
|
|
|
GoGoGadgetChris posted:Logan tells William what a milquetoast businessman he is, but the MiB is a savvy Foundation Owner.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 02:48
|
|
|
GoGoGadgetChris posted:Dr Hammond asks if the giant excavation project has caused "the neighbors" to complain, so I'd guess it does take place in actual outside.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 02:54
|
|
|
tooterfish posted:He was being sarcastic. I could see that, but Business Lady responded "it's safe to say they're asking questions". Are they both referring to the Board, maybe?
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 02:59
|
|
|
Leon Einstein posted:It can't take place on an actual planet or in nature, as there is zero weather variation. Don't ask me what it is though. Lmafao, have you ever been to the southwest?
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 03:07
|
|
|
GoGoGadgetChris posted:I could see that, but Business Lady responded "it's safe to say they're asking questions". Are they both referring to the Board, maybe? Is it possible that somebody is asking this question in seriousness?
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 03:08
|
|
|
GoGoGadgetChris posted:I could see that, but Business Lady responded "it's safe to say they're asking questions". Are they both referring to the Board, maybe? They're both joking. The only "neighbors" are hosts, and they don't actually care if they hear the noise.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 03:10
|
|
|
GoGoGadgetChris posted:I could see that, but Business Lady responded "it's safe to say they're asking questions". Are they both referring to the Board, maybe? Same with the reply. It's banter.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 03:20
|
|
|
FogHelmut posted:Lol trailers are spoilers. Where does all this end, anyway? How can we take this to its logical conclusion? Leon Einstein posted:It can't take place on an actual planet or in nature, as there is zero weather variation. Don't ask me what it is though. The scene with Maeve when she goes "outside" was pretty interesting, I thought. I didn't see any stars, or hear any outside noises at all, even wind?
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 03:44
|
|
|
The neighbors are medieval world and zombie world
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 03:47
|
|
|
Judge Schnoopy posted:The neighbors are medieval world and zombie world This was an actual plot point in the original movie
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 03:48
|
|
|
Arglebargle III posted:Lmafao, have you ever been to the southwest? Yeah, it can look like that for months on end in the Four Corners area. Though, if Teddy was "down in Escalante" you'd have to put it in the middle of Utah or so which doesn't work with Monument Valley in the reflection of the eye in the opening credits.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 04:03
|
|
|
Gooble Rampling posted:Essentially it seems that we are watching intercut footage of Delores retracing a journey she took with William during her first brush with consciousness however many years ago. How can she remember them arriving on the train? Maybe she is having flashbacks and having a simultaneous narrative of the same events. Bit confusing tbh.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 04:33
|
|
|
I'm pretty sure 'hosts' is a pun on them hosting Arnold's intelligence, but I don't know if he's all in each of them or if they're going to become some huge AI net or what.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 04:46
|
|
|
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but when Ford says Delores' mind is a "walled garden", there's a double meaning. A "walled garden" in software terms is a system in which the creator limits the applications and functionality to be only things approved by them. Think a cellphone where you can only use approved apps compared to a PC where you can freely download/install software to do anything you want.
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 04:49
|
|
|
There seems to be a class system on delos among the staff. The one repair guy tries to remind the other that he cant be a programmer, and that all he'll be is a butcher. The other guy also says they should have weeded him out at the embyro phase. Seems like a colorful way to talk about an interview process, but it left me wondering.... Then another butcher talks about how he NEEDS this job. Are the butcher guys some sort of indentured workers?
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 04:54
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 23:59 |
|
|
Also, shoutout to the orgy scene music: NIN something I can never have Niiiice
|
|
#
?
Nov 4, 2016 04:57
|
|