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The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE

Yoshifan823 posted:

I didn't realize it until reading this post, but I've been on forums since I was about that same age. I'm only 25, but that's still a solid >50% of my life.

I spent entirely too much time arguing about video game popularity contests on GameFAQs, but that website, like SA, had really, really strict moderation, which kept it from being a hideous racist shithole like it could have been. It might be one now, I haven't actually looked at the forums for ages, but it was one of the more egalitarian places I've seen on the internet. Strict moderation is necessary for really great content to grow IMO, which is why I've been on SA for as long as I have, and why Reddit just doesn't appeal to me (among other reasons). And there's a difference between moderation and censorship. I'm not sure exactly where that line is, but like the Supreme Court and pornography, I know it when I see it.

I will admit that despite it really feeding into the worst aspects of the internet, Helldump has probably the single funniest thread in the history of the forums, and it's that one where pedophiles kept getting outed, and someone would come in and try to defend it, and promptly be outed as a pedophile themselves. It was like putting out underage honey and watching the flies come and get stuck.

edit: and it also draws a neat line between SA and Reddit, because getting Reddit to tell their pedophiles to gently caress off was like pulling teeth, but Helldump was out for blood. Like one of those rare times when 4Chan would use their powers for (relative) good and call out animal abusers instead of being a bunch of racist pricks.

Gamefaqs is still well moderated. I'm 26 and also used GameFaqs a ton from 16 to 21~. It was a really great place for video game discussion as long as it wasn't something like Final Fantasy and the like. Any game you were playing had a forum ready to go and most likely had an active small community on there that posted lots of info about the game. I spent a ton of time looking up info/talking about PS2, DS and PSP games on there.

Any community that doesn't have strict moderation is going to be overrun by 4chan parasites because those kind of people all flock to places like that since they've likely already been banned from communities with actual moderation.

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Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Captain Invictus posted:

I will tell you right now that the Simpsons game(and by extension basically any 90's arcade brawler) is utterly pointless once the threat of death costing you real money disappears. It's super short and super easy with infinite continues.

I expect the same is true of the six-player X-Men game as well. (yes, the "WELCOME - TO DIE!" one) Still, God I wish I had that game.

Yoshifan823 posted:

I spent entirely too much time arguing about video game popularity contests on GameFAQs

The amount of time I spent arguing that Kefka is better than Sephiroth probably would amount to months.

(Kefka is totally better than Sephiroth though)

Majorian fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Nov 4, 2016

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Artificer posted:

Hahahahahahahaha is this a joke?

I've had a lot of election fatigue this year. In addition, my social circle is 99% Clinton supporters and so every major social happening has been connected to anti-Trump posts or Clinton GOTV. People whose political positions I don't care about, from a film critic from another country retweeting Hillary to a friend I've never talked politics with Arzying.

I think it's at the point where I don't disagree with these peoples chosen candidate so much as I disagree with how solemnly serious they are about promoting it. I've voted Democrat for most things barring some civic offices and Schwarzenegger, I should be happy in this echo chamber, but I'm getting disgusted because it won't go away.

Also in the past three years I've encountered people more progressive than I am who shout at me that I'm part of the problem for only being sympathetic to a point and not as radical as them. It happens.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
Good on Obama for having DUS not the obviously corrupt FBI to defend us against Russian attacks. Yeah HRC should probably work to limit the FBI as an organization.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Craptacular! posted:

I want to "source your quote" this post so bad, since apparently that's what we do to posts like this now.

Old SA had a habit of highlighting horrible things and enjoying it ironically. It was like "Mirsky's Worst 5% Of the Web" with a tiny bit of social justice here and there. Lowtax would spotlight web sites with atrocious HTML or something like Mirsky's, but occasionally highlight a Stormfront like site and even then fill it with ironic praise. On those occasions there would be a drive for everyone to use wget and "preserve this site so we may enjoy it for generations to come" (aka DDOS it.)

So SA was generally a bastion of "look at this terrible thing! Wonderful!" It was only really with ADTRW doing that with Japan's anime pedo poo poo that some people in FYAG decided to that the subject was no longer funny or being treated ironically. I've only talked to one or two people from that event (one of them I invited here and continue to be in touch with) and while neither of them are pedos in real life, the whole thing blew up worse than it had to because one of the mods was a primary instigator and went up to bat for that content when the forum was called on it.

So basically, the same thing that happened at Reddit except Reddit involved exploitation of actual children whereas SA decided that there were limits to tastelessness before it got that far out of hand.

I do miss old GBS just because some of the threads, particularly "ignore this - test", caused me to laugh the hardest I ever have in my life.

I guess I have rose tinted glasses on for a lot of this because I really only started reading the forums in oh...2004? 2005? I caught the tail end of a lot of the stuff you're talking about and old (older?) timers talked about stuff. I was never around for super early SA.

So I guess you caught me, though I wasn't trying to bullshit. I never, ever was around for this site pre-2004-5ish. I don't know the entire sordid history of this place. I just know what I've read on SAclopedia and from people talking about it in those super early days.

Mostly I was just trying to point out that what happened to reddit isn't particularly new or novel. It's happened here too where the moderation is usually better. Toxic subcultures pop up everywhere. That's just how forums work when they get past a certain level of people or cater to a specific audience.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Craptacular! posted:

, I should be happy in this echo chamber, but I'm getting disgusted because it won't go away.

... Because there is a presidential election less then a week away between Hillary Clinton and someone who has, at bare minimum, stated his open intent to oppress multiple groups of people who are understandably terrified and worried?

Do you not get how lovely it sounds to go "gosh, why are these people so serious? Why don't they stop talking about the upcoming presidential election which can have an incredibly massive impact on the lives of them or people they care about?"

I mean I'm not trying to be a dick but what you're posting, intentional or not, sounds like "why are all these people worried about something that may have an insanely significant impact on their life, health and happiness!"

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Nov 4, 2016

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Ice Phisherman posted:


Now I'm mostly on SA and Reddit. SA is pretty solid and I like it, if quieter than it was. Reddit is occasionally cool, but you really have to look for nuggets of gold among the poo poo. And outside of the tiny communities there's really no chance to build anything resembling a community like you can with SA. The format is all wrong for it as it's rare when I see anything past response number three not get hidden. Reddit is meant to be seen, but the threshold for normal interaction is rather low. SA's is rather high because the format is right for it.


I'll check reddit for some very very niche things that I can't find any information on or discussion of anywhere else online. Beyond that though Reddit's problem (well, one of many), is that there is no discussion there, and no community because it has the worst loving setup of any website. Things get modded down and hidden and minority viewpoints (minority in the general sense of the word, but also in the social sense), are basically hidden and things are by default rearranged based on their date posted in weird ways. I will never understand it or have anything good to say about that layout. I'll take a traditional forum where every post is a post in sequence and can't just be ignored by 3rd parties voting it down.

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Ice Phisherman posted:

I think that there's an art to moderation. I sort of did it for a while, but I don't have the temperament for it. Dunno about gamefaqs though. Never got into it, though I did start out with a gaming forum about Harvest Moon 64 waaaaaaay back in the day after I looked for questions and found a community. Then it was on to Wizard World of which was run by Wizard, a comic magazine, which reminded me largely of SA before it died. Jumped between the refugees of those forums for about fifteen years.

Now I'm mostly on SA and Reddit. SA is pretty solid and I like it, if quieter than it was. Reddit is occasionally cool, but you really have to look for nuggets of gold among the poo poo. And outside of the tiny communities there's really no chance to build anything resembling a community like you can with SA. The format is all wrong for it as it's rare when I see anything past response number three not get hidden. Reddit is meant to be seen, but the threshold for normal interaction is rather low. SA's is rather high because the format is right for it.

I think SA has a few more good years left in it, but I see reddit and it's not as on the ball as it used to be. It really was the front page of the internet. Now not so much. Too much signal, not enough noise, even for reddit, and I knew it was in trouble when it would no longer be ahead of the news organizations for breaking stories.

Mostly I'm wondering what the next big forum is going to be. It won't be one of the chans. Digg is dead. Reddit is degrading. SA is shrinking but its quality is still pretty high. I dunno. I'm not sure another website could moderate as well as SA because the :10bux: buy in helps moderate in and of itself. I can't really see another website getting away with it when there's so much out there already for free, though often far more shittily moderated.

Also if you have the link for that helldump I'd love to read it.

Pedo? Really? That's more like ephebophilia, which isn't that bad.

That's also the first instance I can recall of the joke about pedophiles defending themselves by talking about "ephebophilia". I haven't read through it in a while and I'm sure there are some examples of SA being lovely in there (after all, Helldump), but there's nothing more cathartic than making GBS threads on pedophiles.

I feel like Something Awful would have a bigger place in "today's internet" if it didn't have the history of being Something Awful. Like, if someone started a new forum with strong moderation and a higher class of user, and charged like $5 a year or something, there would be a group of people ready to use it, but Something Awful brings a bunch of "old internet" baggage with it. Even ignoring the old porn forum and warez forum and furry-bashing, a website with enough history is going to have moments in its history where people can point and say "how can you be a user there when XYZ happened?"

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

FCKGW posted:

For me the worst is when the Fappening was happening and they didn't do poo poo to shut down a dedicated subreddit for posting stolen nude photos because it was the highest traffic the site had ever seen.

Like, the image sites hosting the images kept pulling them but the actual subreddits were left untouched.

As someone who did ACE investigation for a big online payment processor at the time, things like Reddit gold purchases and Filipino camshow counterparties (specifically located in Cebu) were massive red flags in similar significance to Bitcoin and lots of P2P payments talking about asparagus or peaches. We popped a lot of people for dealing in Really, Horribly, Life-Changingly Bad poo poo.

My hatred of Reddit is pretty uniquely personal as a result and I'd like nothing better than to see their front page redirect to a DOJ domain seizure one of these days. They knew there were far worse uses of their site than celebrity phone hacks and they did nothing until it started hitting their ad revenue and got them spotlighted in the news. None of the trump poo poo was even going on at the time (though they did have groups of people sharing evidence of hate crimes, sometimes as a competitive thing, if you're wondering where some of that trump user base comes from) but it's no surprise at all that Reddit continues to willingly host venues where people are encouraged by like-minded peers to revel in the most depraved poo poo humanity is capable of. Safe harbor regs place plenty of responsibility on the host to do some basic monitoring and have a reporting system, but the Reddit loophole in it is how easy it is to just bounce back.

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Scent of Worf posted:

Gamefaqs is still well moderated. I'm 26 and also used GameFaqs a ton from 16 to 21~. It was a really great place for video game discussion as long as it wasn't something like Final Fantasy and the like. Any game you were playing had a forum ready to go and most likely had an active small community on there that posted lots of info about the game. I spent a ton of time looking up info/talking about PS2, DS and PSP games on there.

Any community that doesn't have strict moderation is going to be overrun by 4chan parasites because those kind of people all flock to places like that since they've likely already been banned from communities with actual moderation.

GameFAQs also had very strict moderation because there were literal 13 year olds on there and they try to maintain a "family friendly" air, especially after Gamespot got bought by CBS or whoever. I was a user on there since 11, and if I had a kid, I wouldn't let them anywhere near reddit (oh dear lord I would not let them anywhere near Reddit), but as long as I could monitor what they were doing, I'd probably be alright with them talking about video games and poo poo on GameFAQs.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



ImpAtom posted:

... Because there is a presidential election less then a week away between Hillary Clinton and someone who has, at bare minimum, stated his open intent to oppress multiple groups of people who are understandably terrified and worried?

Do you not get how lovely it sounds to go "gosh, why are these people so serious? Why don't they stop talking about the upcoming presidential election which can have an incredibly massive impact on the lives of them or people they care about?"

The echo chamber is definitely real here, but it's nowhere near as bad as other places I've seen. lovely opinions and bad facts stand a chance of getting challenged here. Not everyone is of the exact same opinion. I can't really see anyone arguing that Trump is objectively a fine choice for POTUS though. Talking points can fly here, but not as well. Pretty much no one here believes that he's competent, or has the correct temperament for president, or is a good businessman, or not a racist, or that he's some sort of born again Christian, or not a pathological liar or a contract breaker and thief. The man is cartoonishly incompetent for the job.

Hillary has her bad qualities, but she's sane and rational. She has an interest in preserving the status quo and pushing her policy decisions just a bit further left rather than going full communism now. I'll take it. I'm for change, but I don't think the country is stable enough for radical change, either progressive or reactionary. I'll take Hillary because she has an interest in keeping all of these plates spinning rather than letting them fall.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Craptacular! posted:

The problem occurs when someone enters such an overwrought "safe space" for something that they get called *ist and decide, "welp, guess I'm a deplorable now." I've had that; I had to restrain myself from voting for Trump just to spite some "Thought Leaders" on social media that I dislike.

Given that half of SA has been declared *ist in some safe space for furries, you hopefully understand the phenomenon I'm taking about here. There's dyed in the wool bigots and then there's "bigots" as the Internet hyperbole term.

:laffo:
:wtf: is this.

Or, you could use something called "discernment" to figure out the difference between something imaginary like ponyism and something real like racism.

Then if someone calls you the former for not watching My Little Pony you can shrug them off as a weirdo instead of going "well I may as well just be a racist too!"

Like, that urge you have, that makes you want to wear a hood and vote Trump? That's not some weird self-defense against furries, that urge is called "being a loving racist". You should own that and resist it, rather than blaming it on tumblr or w/e.

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Nov 4, 2016

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"

Scent of Worf posted:

Gamefaqs is still well moderated. I'm 26 and also used GameFaqs a ton from 16 to 21~. It was a really great place for video game discussion as long as it wasn't something like Final Fantasy and the like. Any game you were playing had a forum ready to go and most likely had an active small community on there that posted lots of info about the game. I spent a ton of time looking up info/talking about PS2, DS and PSP games on there.

Any community that doesn't have strict moderation is going to be overrun by 4chan parasites because those kind of people all flock to places like that since they've likely already been banned from communities with actual moderation.

I couldn't believe someone was actually saying positive things about GameFAQs in TYOOL 2016 and I checked some old boards I haven't visited in like 10 years.

Nope, still garbage fires indistinguishable from /v/, I don't know what the gently caress you're talking about.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Captain Invictus posted:

I will tell you right now that the Simpsons game(and by extension basically any 90's arcade brawler) is utterly pointless once the threat of death costing you real money disappears. It's super short and super easy with infinite continues.

Just beat that game last night on a date.

Turns out arcade bars make great date places (though I wouldn't recommend it on a first date) and are just amazing in general.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

smug n stuff posted:

So the guy who ghostwrote The Art of the Deal came to my school today and gave a really neat talk about his experience writing the book, and his life after.
I think his most like interesting point was the idea that we can and should use the example of Donald Trump to become more moral people ourselves--looking at him as an example of how not to be a good person can actually be really instructive re: how to be good.
He also made this great, albeit unscientific analogy: "Donald Trump is like a black hole--he has nothing inside, so he just keeps trying to draw everything--money, fame, attention toward himself."

I have an original copy that I was given at a church rummage sale a few weeks ago. "Just take it, I don't want to sell this for anything, I just want it gone." said the lady organizing the books. I'll probably just recycle it alongside the bill cosby and oliver north books she also handed me to get rid of. :v:

Majorian posted:

I expect the same is true of the six-player X-Men game as well. (yes, the "WELCOME - TO DIE!" one) Still, God I wish I had that game.


The amount of time I spent arguing that Kefka is better than Sephiroth probably would amount to months.

(Kefka is totally better than Sephiroth though)

Yeah the xmen cabinet was alongside the simpsons one, the TMNT one too. They're all essentially the same and all bad, sadly.

Kefka is one of my favorite video game villains because he's an infinitely ambitious and confident moustache-twirling jester villain with a completely comical theme that eventually swirls into an incredibly forboding one, becomes god, and to the very end is mocking you, even as he dies. Kefka owns. Also, he won. Twice. Even in death, he still annihilated the world and then utterly erased the concept of magic from the entire world with his demise.

Sephiroth is a monster baby who has mommy issues.

Boon posted:

Just beat that game last night on a date.

Turns out arcade bars make great date places (though I wouldn't recommend it on a first date) and are just amazing in general.

Playing it once on a lark at a barcade and owning the cabinet are two very, verrrrrrry different things

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART
Remember the time Reddit banned /r/fatpeoplehate for encouraging bullying and doxxing, so the userbase revolted, upvoting hundreds of harassing posts against the Asian woman CEO whom they assumed was responsible for deleting their subreddit to the front page over the course of several days, which caused her to step down, and then it turned out she had been the biggest voice in corporate against banning the subreddit?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Ice Phisherman posted:

The echo chamber is definitely real here, but it's nowhere near as bad as other places I've seen. lovely opinions and bad facts stand a chance of getting challenged here. Not everyone is of the exact same opinion. I can't really see anyone arguing that Trump is objectively a fine choice for POTUS though. Talking points can fly here, but not as well. Pretty much no one here believes that he's competent, or has the correct temperament for president, or is a good businessman, or not a racist, or that he's some sort of born again Christian, or not a pathological liar or a contract breaker and thief. The man is cartoonishly incompetent for the job.

Hillary has her bad qualities, but she's sane and rational. She has an interest in preserving the status quo and pushing her policy decisions just a bit further left rather than going full communism now. I'll take it. I'm for change, but I don't think the country is stable enough for radical change, either progressive or reactionary. I'll take Hillary because she has an interest in keeping all of these plates spinning rather than letting them fall.

There's an echo chamber for HIllary Clinton here but I've said it before: It's an echo chamber because this forum has a number of people who are extremely engaged and more than willing to argue their points and the only people who come in to counter-argue tend to be trolling or actively and openly supporting some abhorrent poo poo. You can't really do a "well, maybe I can understand your viewpoint" with Donald Trump because he really, genuinely, and seriously has little to offer even more traditional conservatives whose best argument is "the Supreme Court." Which is a valid argument but also goes hand-in-hand with supporting a Supreme Court who will support some fairly abhorrent poo poo even if what they're really worried about it... well, I'll be honest and say I haven't seen a very good argument here but I'm willing to acknowledge it could exist.

Discussions about Clinton's flaws are something I wish were easier to have but likewise the vast majority of people who come in discussing Clinton's flaws descend into literal conspiracy theories or are looking for a back door to complain about the fact Bernie Sanders didn't win, so it makes it hard to actually go in that direction without the mcmagics of the world swarming in to change the conversation from "Clinton has flaws" to "Clinton is a Bad Candidate!!"

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE

FAUXTON posted:

As someone who did ACE investigation for a big online payment processor at the time, things like Reddit gold purchases and Filipino camshow counterparties (specifically located in Cebu) were massive red flags in similar significance to Bitcoin and lots of P2P payments talking about asparagus or peaches. We popped a lot of people for dealing in Really, Horribly, Life-Changingly Bad poo poo.

My hatred of Reddit is pretty uniquely personal as a result and I'd like nothing better than to see their front page redirect to a DOJ domain seizure one of these days. They knew there were far worse uses of their site than celebrity phone hacks and they did nothing until it started hitting their ad revenue and got them spotlighted in the news. None of the trump poo poo was even going on at the time (though they did have groups of people sharing evidence of hate crimes, sometimes as a competitive thing, if you're wondering where some of that trump user base comes from) but it's no surprise at all that Reddit continues to willingly host venues where people are encouraged by like-minded peers to revel in the most depraved poo poo humanity is capable of. Safe harbor regs place plenty of responsibility on the host to do some basic monitoring and have a reporting system, but the Reddit loophole in it is how easy it is to just bounce back.

And it's not just Reddit that's this way. Twitter and Facebook too. They don't give a flying gently caress unless it starts hurting their money, and that's why I hate how many liberals worship these techbros who run these companies.

Luckily though opinion has started changing this year as more and more people seem to be noticing how things really are.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Pakled posted:

Remember the time Reddit banned /r/fatpeoplehate for encouraging bullying and doxxing, so the userbase revolted, upvoting hundreds of harassing posts against the Asian woman CEO whom they assumed was responsible for deleting their subreddit to the front page over the course of several days, which caused her to step down, and then it turned out she had been the biggest voice in corporate against banning the subreddit?

Hiveminds are terribly stupid almost without exception, news at 11

Paolomania
Apr 26, 2006

I used to post on Polycount (previously the quake2 player models pack), which was part of the planet quake network, which used to employ a man known as Lowtax, who started this dumb site. I used to read the Jeff K stuff but didn't wander into the forums for quite some time. Had a lot of fun in the early DOTA threads and the D&D subforum that shall not be named. Well that's my story thanks for voting Hillary.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Neo_Crimson posted:

I couldn't believe someone was actually saying positive things about GameFAQs in TYOOL 2016 and I checked some old boards I haven't visited in like 10 years.

Nope, still garbage fires indistinguishable from /v/, I don't know what the gently caress you're talking about.

Gamefaqs is pretty good if you have a question about a video game and getting help with it. But when it comes to like console discussions and stuff, they have always been a poo poo show heavily involved in dumb console wars.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

FAUXTON posted:

As someone who did ACE investigation for a big online payment processor at the time, things like Reddit gold purchases and Filipino camshow counterparties (specifically located in Cebu) were massive red flags in similar significance to Bitcoin and lots of P2P payments talking about asparagus or peaches. We popped a lot of people for dealing in Really, Horribly, Life-Changingly Bad poo poo.

My hatred of Reddit is pretty uniquely personal as a result and I'd like nothing better than to see their front page redirect to a DOJ domain seizure one of these days. They knew there were far worse uses of their site than celebrity phone hacks and they did nothing until it started hitting their ad revenue and got them spotlighted in the news. None of the trump poo poo was even going on at the time (though they did have groups of people sharing evidence of hate crimes, sometimes as a competitive thing, if you're wondering where some of that trump user base comes from) but it's no surprise at all that Reddit continues to willingly host venues where people are encouraged by like-minded peers to revel in the most depraved poo poo humanity is capable of. Safe harbor regs place plenty of responsibility on the host to do some basic monitoring and have a reporting system, but the Reddit loophole in it is how easy it is to just bounce back.

I mean it might be an NDA thing for you or something but I'd love to hear some stories about this poo poo. Not sure if you'd be allowed to though. Hearing stories of incorrigably evil people getting ruined fuels me

Wyld Thang
Feb 23, 2016

Luigi Thirty posted:

lol the government will never get anything done once Clinton wins.

Hardly. There are other effective law enforcement agencies like the ATF and INS that Clinton could tap to bypass the FBI.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Captain Invictus posted:

I mean it might be an NDA thing for you or something but I'd love to hear some stories about this poo poo. Not sure if you'd be allowed to though. Hearing stories of incorrigably evil people getting ruined fuels me

No. It's not an NDA thing and most of the recognizable things are far enough in the past by now, but most of it follows this kind of formula:

1) someone's activity hit a rule in our monitoring systems

2) someone on a lower rung of the review chain checks it out, sees something that might involve children as victims, kicks it up to us.

3) I get an alert kicked to me from that feed which contains a bit of description from the prior reviewer so I have my bearings, and then I start looking at what's going on.

4) most of the time it's against policy but not illegal (for some reason they loved sending us suspected counterfeit kids' clothing) but every once in a while there'd be something there. My job then became one of observation, documentation and reporting.

That observation, documentation, and reporting part did a number on me. I never was big on having kids but it played into my decision to get snipped. I drank, a lot. I still get unreasonably, shittily angry about stuff like Reddit where people know what they're dealing with but ignore it because speech. The mental health benefits were good, we all had access to counseling and psychiatrist care and I don't doubt it was used by everyone as heavily as I did, but the details are not a happy place to get into because of how good the brain is at being like "oh, you're recalling this, here let me dredge up the sights and sounds I held on to from that because I'm so loving helpful."

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Nov 4, 2016

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Aw.

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

Craptacular! posted:

Also in the past three years I've encountered people more progressive than I am who shout at me that I'm part of the problem for only being sympathetic to a point and not as radical as them. It happens.

Hey man, give Bernie a break.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

ImpAtom posted:

I mean I'm not trying to be a dick but what you're posting, intentional or not, sounds like "why are all these people worried about something that may have an insanely significant impact on their life, health and happiness!"

I probably spoke out of turn here, and without analyzing myself too deeply I probably just want to whine without being called a terrible person by the majority of the forum, which I probably deserve. I don't read /pol/ or the_donald etc but from reading about the alt-right through mainstream glasses I suspect I have sympathies with them on a philosophical issue or two (namely a dislike of identity politics and an egalitarian take toward social justice. Told you I'm a terrible person!)

However ultimately I will not vote against a candidate that will tax the poo poo out of the rich to support the rest of us. Unless we win that fight the wealthy will always take advantage of the country.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



ImpAtom posted:

There's an echo chamber for HIllary Clinton here but I've said it before: It's an echo chamber because this forum has a number of people who are extremely engaged and more than willing to argue their points and the only people who come in to counter-argue tend to be trolling or actively and openly supporting some abhorrent poo poo. You can't really do a "well, maybe I can understand your viewpoint" with Donald Trump because he really, genuinely, and seriously has little to offer even more traditional conservatives whose best argument is "the Supreme Court." Which is a valid argument but also goes hand-in-hand with supporting a Supreme Court who will support some fairly abhorrent poo poo even if what they're really worried about it... well, I'll be honest and say I haven't seen a very good argument here but I'm willing to acknowledge it could exist.

Discussions about Clinton's flaws are something I wish were easier to have but likewise the vast majority of people who come in discussing Clinton's flaws descend into literal conspiracy theories or are looking for a back door to complain about the fact Bernie Sanders didn't win, so it makes it hard to actually go in that direction without the mcmagics of the world swarming in to change the conversation from "Clinton has flaws" to "Clinton is a Bad Candidate!!"

Yeah. I do wish that I could get more a more objective opinion about HRC's flaws. Locally I just get dumb poo poo like "SHE'S A MURDERER" and "EMAILS" and "BENGHAZI" from a friend who has bought into these ideas for so long as if everything was the truth that I can't have a rational discussion with him about the election as he's normally a sane and rational person about other stuff, even if we disagree. The republican hate machine is drat good at what it does and when it lacked information to smear her with it just made poo poo up and went with anything that could stick, because that machine isn't particularly effective at inspiring people to good purpose. It can but that's not their wheelhouse. It's just good at hate and fear.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Joke's on you, she's blue with purple spots

The sheer scale of this callback...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OiRk56pNEk

Sinestro
Oct 31, 2010

The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.

VitalSigns posted:

:laffo:
:wtf: is this.

Or, you could use something called "discernment" to figure out the difference between something imaginary like ponyism and something real like racism.

Then if someone calls you the former for not watching My Little Pony you can shrug them off as a weirdo instead of going "well I may as well just be a racist too!"

Like, that urge you have, that makes you want to wear a hood and vote Trump? That's not some weird self-defense against furries, that urge is called "being a loving racist". You should own that and resist it, rather than blaming it on tumblr or w/e.

That's directly something that's hosed up my life, though. I grew up in a very leftie open sort of place, so it wasn't like I just had no idea about anything, and I was on a good path to getting to the bottom of the mess of weird that turns out to be that I'm actually a girl, until I started to go online for more information and got immediately surrounded by people attacking me for not agreeing with them and seeing myself wrong and then when I learned to get quiet, I got to wash around in a bunch of political discussion that I strongly oppose and do oppose now. I really can't wait for gender identity to no longer force me to be tied to angry insert people.

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE

Neo_Crimson posted:

I couldn't believe someone was actually saying positive things about GameFAQs in TYOOL 2016 and I checked some old boards I haven't visited in like 10 years.

Nope, still garbage fires indistinguishable from /v/, I don't know what the gently caress you're talking about.

I don't know maybe you visited some of the general boards or some of the more popular game boards? I never stepped into those.

I was on gamefaqs looking up info and talking about niche poo poo like Jump Ultimate Stars, Super Robot Wars, Coded Arms, etc and never had a problem finding the info I wanted or posting my own.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Craptacular! posted:

I probably spoke out of turn here, and without analyzing myself too deeply I probably just want to whine without being called a terrible person by the majority of the forum, which I probably deserve. I don't read /pol/ or the_donald etc but from reading about the alt-right through mainstream glasses I suspect I have sympathies with them on a philosophical issue or two (namely a dislike of identity politics and an egalitarian take toward social justice. Told you I'm a terrible person!)

However ultimately I will not vote against a candidate that will tax the poo poo out of the rich to support the rest of us. Unless we win that fight the wealthy will always take advantage of the country.

Your choices are your own but it's worth remembering that the Alt-Right largely are not really interested in what they express. (There's a reason "actually it's about ethics in video game journalism" is an actual joke.) They're good at coaching their philosphy in a charming outer wrapper but have repeatedly proven they have little interest in following it through. What they want isn't what they claim but just something more biased in their own perspective. It's why they're happy with Brietbart-style stuff. They don't want a truly unbiased media but a media whose bias favors them. The best I can say is "remember that what sounds good and what they follow through on isn't always the same thing."

That said I'm not going to go "gently caress you" or anything. (Other people here will but it's also fair to point out many of those people are at serious personal, financial or social risk and so a lot less willing to humor discussions.) It's just worth remembering that for a lot of people this isn't just a hypothetical or unimportant election. They literally see their lives and futures on the line.

Scent of Worf posted:

I don't know maybe you visited some of the general boards or some of the more popular game boards? I never stepped into those.

I was on gamefaqs looking up info and talking about niche poo poo like Jump Ultimate Stars, Super Robot Wars, Coded Arms, etc and never had a problem finding the info I wanted or posting my own.

Generally the more niche a board the more reasonable you'll find it because they tend to attract the same few people. (Especially SRW which has a very distinct small group of fans who post in every SRW forum.) The larger boards or any one for a game that the Vagina Bones Brigade has gotten upset about however is basically indistinguishable from a 4chan thread except they're not allowed to make racial slurs.

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Nov 4, 2016

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Neo_Crimson posted:

I couldn't believe someone was actually saying positive things about GameFAQs in TYOOL 2016 and I checked some old boards I haven't visited in like 10 years.

Nope, still garbage fires indistinguishable from /v/, I don't know what the gently caress you're talking about.

GameFAQs has old fashioned nerd wars over things like "what is the best Final Fantasy" that drew easy criticism from people who wanted to elevate the discussion of games higher (some would argue it's too high now) but it's never been as political or as garbage as the IGN forums where they just didn't care.

Ten year olds who can only get one console from their parents want a place to bully the kids who own the other console, and GameFAQs is fine for that but twelve years ago we flamed it
mercilessly because that's what most game conversation was. Nowadays the "this game forum is poison" is GAF and it's an older and different crowd.

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Nov 4, 2016

Wyld Thang
Feb 23, 2016

Craptacular! posted:

Also in the past three years I've encountered people more progressive than I am who shout at me that I'm part of the problem for only being sympathetic to a point and not as radical as them. It happens.

This is why it was absolutely imperative for Clinton to get the nomination: far left progressives were turning into a bunch of shitbags and really needed to be purged from the party to go to the Greens or wherever that shared their eternal hellfire vision.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
I mean that's a bit harsh, as Bernie wasn't really that far left.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Wyld Thang posted:

This is why it was absolutely imperative for Clinton to get the nomination: far left progressives were turning into a bunch of shitbags and really needed to be purged from the party to go to the Greens or wherever that shared their eternal hellfire vision.

Eh. I don't think it's far-left progressives. There's a specific subset of far-left progressives who A) Want no compromise and B) want instant change. And while I stand by the idea there is no compromise on certain subject matters (there's no "in the middle" for gay rights for example) the specific subset aren't like that because they're far-left but because they favor ideological purity and moral superiority over actual change.

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

Captain Invictus posted:

I will tell you right now that the Simpsons game(and by extension basically any 90's arcade brawler) is utterly pointless once the threat of death costing you real money disappears. It's super short and super easy with infinite continues.

Giant Bomb did a video on it and they came to the unfortunate realization that it's just not that good. And these guys were arcade hounds, they ate this poo poo up when they were younger. But I've played it myself recently, the authentic cabinet, and it's...not as good as I remember it was when I was a kid. It's not really very good at all. There was a time and place for it, but it's really archaic-feeling now, I recommend getting something else if you need an "authentic" cabinet, or just go for a MAME cabinet.

Best early 90s cabinet brawler I can remember was Aliens V Predator from like 93/94. I have played that recently (~5 years) and it's not perfect but it owns the poo poo out of any of the turtles games and the simpsons, which I played last weekend at a retro bar in the CBD.

climboutonalimb
Sep 4, 2004

I get knocked down but I get up again You are never going to keep me down

ImpAtom posted:

There's an echo chamber for HIllary Clinton here but I've said it before: It's an echo chamber because this forum has a number of people who are extremely engaged and more than willing to argue their points and the only people who come in to counter-argue tend to be trolling or actively and openly supporting some abhorrent poo poo. You can't really do a "well, maybe I can understand your viewpoint" with Donald Trump because he really, genuinely, and seriously has little to offer even more traditional conservatives whose best argument is "the Supreme Court." Which is a valid argument but also goes hand-in-hand with supporting a Supreme Court who will support some fairly abhorrent poo poo even if what they're really worried about it... well, I'll be honest and say I haven't seen a very good argument here but I'm willing to acknowledge it could exist.

Discussions about Clinton's flaws are something I wish were easier to have but likewise the vast majority of people who come in discussing Clinton's flaws descend into literal conspiracy theories or are looking for a back door to complain about the fact Bernie Sanders didn't win, so it makes it hard to actually go in that direction without the mcmagics of the world swarming in to change the conversation from "Clinton has flaws" to "Clinton is a Bad Candidate!!"

I agree with this and fully I expect that discussions and critiques of Clinton's flaws will be readily and thoroughly discussed once the election is over. For me at least, anything less than a full throated defense of her is basically playing with fire.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Yoshifan823 posted:

Something Awful brings a bunch of "old internet" baggage with it. Even ignoring the old porn forum and warez forum and furry-bashing

It's funny you pick this because the only reasons I ever touch Reddit or 4chan is porn and piracy, if I wanted intellectual conversation I'd go somewhere else. My interest in this place evaporated a bit without those things, though eventually I remembered that sports is the original console war.

Reddit's upvote system often ends up with a meme or joke being pushed to the top of the comments. They almost need something like Slashdot where I can weigh the comments toward "5; Insightful."

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Sinestro
Oct 31, 2010

The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.

Wyld Thang posted:

This is why it was absolutely imperative for Clinton to get the nomination: far left progressives were turning into a bunch of shitbags and really needed to be purged from the party to go to the Greens or wherever that shared their eternal hellfire vision.

It's the only way to save my party. I can't wait until Clinton is just about what you'd expect and all of the belt sanders realize they can just :qq: off back to the quinoa fortress.

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