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AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope

canepazzo posted:

First poll of the day, Roanoke gives VA to Clinton 45-38; was +9 just after Hollywood Access tape.

Tracking polls so far:

USC/LAT 46.9/43.4 T (down from 47.5/42.5)
IBD 44/44 for the third day in a row

Speaking of the IBD one, I do question its partisanship; the last three headlines on their results were a variation of "race tied despite CLINTON SCANDAL".

Investor's Business Daily is maybe one peg up from Breitbart. TIPP is the polling firm and 538 rates it pretty high.

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Mixodorian
Jan 26, 2009

Craptacular! posted:

Okay gently caress it why not, because this deserves closure.

I don't understand what you're defining as racism anymore, though. You initially responded to me using, as an analogy, an example of a person who opposes racism but doesn't see repetitions as the answer. You responded with a calm, great post about not jumping defensively at people like they're calling you a monster. It made sense to me, because in essence I was talking about the rejection and disassociation that can be felt from a cause when it goes to a point that I feel is too far.

Now again, I brought it up merely as an analogy, then absent-mindedly threw in AA as another controversial corrective measure, one I support myself but don't consider the people who don't to be modern day monsters as much as misguided egalitarians (after all, in a truly egalitarian place, AA makes no difference at all since there would be no racial bias in play.) That raised you into a more antagonistic stance, and then my "whoa chill out I am not ready to debate this with you at this level" contained another term that apparently is frequently coded with internet white supremacists.

At the end of the day, I was using race only as a go-to analogy for a multifaceted social justice problem with people who are understanding but have differences of opinion on how to solve. I didn't want to even try to play hardball with you on it. Unless any kind skepticism to reparations is equitable to white supremacism in this thread, in which case, well, news to me; I really didn't mean to have this lousy exchange and I'm sorry that I offended you.

Great dude. I'm a third wheel here, but I can see that you're overwhelmed.

Please think for now on the exchange you had. If you want to get a better understanding of things without the missteps that come in an online convo, check out between the world and me by TNC or The New Jim Crowe by Michelle Alexander.

As far as your belief that people who aren't against AA sometimes have good intentions but don't understand... Meditate on the very old saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

In my opinion, we need to get everyone moving forward on understanding and learning to not just accept but celebrate our differences as humans. I think the rate we are moving at now is still depressingly slow... BUT I think we can do a lot better in the United States! Please don't get discouraged, please understand that black people have already been through the wringer in these types of conversations and in life in general ad nauseum so we probably will not have an abundance of patience to spare for an Internet stranger, and...

Most importantly, please understand that only one side in all of this is righteous. No matter what happens, please try to help move society towards true equality. This may be my morning smoke over the top pep talk, but I am serious. We can see when a white American is really putting in the effort to help, and we will always respect you for that considering how many white Americans ignore it completely. Thank you for reading all this.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Fojar38 posted:

Remember when a presidential candidate bragged about being a rapist on tape and everyone forgot about it a month later
His opponent uses email.

Revelation 2-13
May 13, 2010

Pillbug
If you're going to use words like 'natural imbalances' in a discussion about race, you should probably be pretty clear about what you mean. If you don't qualify natural imbalances with a "in terms of education, job opportunities, etc. caused by the inherent racism the in societal structures and institutions", (or something in that vein) you're basically sounding like a full on nazi.

Also, one of the points is that it's not using a counterweight, it's trying to address the (invisible for lots of people) colossal weight which is already on the 'white/male' side of the scale.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Nessus posted:

13 point lead in early voting, I think.
If you read the numbers in the latest blog post her lead is like 4-5 points. That 13% was just from the first few days of early voting, that video is out of date.

Captain Fargle
Feb 16, 2011

Mixodorian posted:

I think we will all be dead by climate change before an English speaking website can have a serious and good faith discussion on why there are a grand total of like 3 (guessing here) video games star a black woman as the main and playable character.

I'm trying really, really hard to but I can't even name three.

Just to illustrate the point a little you know?

pgroce
Oct 24, 2002

Fojar38 posted:

Remember when a presidential candidate bragged about being a rapist on tape and everyone forgot about it a month later

Republicans: Literally that Dude from Memento

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Fojar38 posted:

Remember when a presidential candidate bragged about being a rapist on tape and everyone forgot about it a month later

Yeah. And remember how much poo poo Kerry got for... wtf was "swiftboating" about again? Whereas Trump said he couldn't go to Vietnam because of a dodgy elbow or whatever but then spent the next five years playing tennis and polo like the entitled rich fuckhead he is.

I still can't fathom how so many ostensibly right-wing Americans are prepared to vote for a draft dodging, Manhattan-dwelling, used-to-be-a-Democrat coward.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Wyld Thang posted:

Early vote totals assuming even a small 5% crossover from Republicans still has Clinton handily ahead. At this point, even if every single Republican in the state turned out and the Democrats stayed home completely, Clinton still wins Nevada and the country.

It's over. Clinton is the next President.

I don't understand the level of arzy that goes on here when you can go right to the Nevada Secretary of State's website and see the same numbers for yourself. Why do people think Nevada Democrats are gong to cross party lines and vote Trump?

She has to win other states as well not just Nevada.

Wyld Thang
Feb 23, 2016

ReV VAdAUL posted:

Because people are, quite legitimately, absolutely terrified of a straight up fascist taking over the most powerful nation on Earth. Happily the signs are positive but I fault no one for being very worried until Clinton is officially declared the winner.

You expect Democrats to cross over to vote for a Republican. Let me assure you that hasn't happened in Nevada in any recent election. This state went for Obama twice.

It's over. Clinton wins Nevada, she wins the country. I have better things to do Tuesday night than watch what I already know to be true.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

pgroce posted:

Republicans: Literally that Dude from Memento
Memento was meant to be a metaphor for humanity in general.

edit: Republicans are the most human humans.

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Nov 4, 2016

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



freebooter posted:

Yeah. And remember how much poo poo Kerry got for... wtf was "swiftboating" about again? Whereas Trump said he couldn't go to Vietnam because of a dodgy elbow or whatever but then spent the next five years playing tennis and polo like the entitled rich fuckhead he is.

I still can't fathom how so many ostensibly right-wing Americans are prepared to vote for a draft dodging, Manhattan-dwelling, used-to-be-a-Democrat coward.
Because in the main (there are honorable exceptions) it's all a loving con. They never gave a poo poo about any of that except for image.

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Charlz Guybon posted:

She has to win other states as well not just Nevada.

She has to win the other states that 538 has her at 70%+ chance of winning.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/lD8rd

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
So did that "30% of Republicans are voting Democrat in Florida" thing turn out to be real or fake? Because if it's real then it means Clinton is guaranteed to take Florida and Trump is turbofucked.

Revelation 2-13
May 13, 2010

Pillbug
The snake-graph thing on 538 is scary as gently caress right now.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Charlz Guybon posted:

She has to win other states as well not just Nevada.

Trump needed Nevada real bad to open up any viable path. Look at swing states from that angle it's easier.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Captain Fargle posted:

I'm trying really, really hard to but I can't even name three.

Just to illustrate the point a little you know?

Walking Dead 2, Broken Age, Beyond Good and Evil. I've been in this conversation before. :v:

Hitting a fourth is a struggle unless you count designing your own protagonist or, like, Diablo 3 here you have multiple protagonist options.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



A glowing endorsement from Huckabee:

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/794483288282955776

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Which direction is his dog strangling son pointed in?

sumie
Mar 29, 2006
GUERNSEY (adj.)

Queasy but umbowed. The kind of feeling one gets when discovering a
plastic compartment in a fridge in which thing are growing.

This is a very confusing metaphor. Does this imply Trump already crashed his car? Did he accidentally end up pointing it the right direction? So many questions.

Captain Fargle
Feb 16, 2011

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Walking Dead 2, Broken Age, Beyond Good and Evil. I've been in this conversation before. :v:

Hitting a fourth is a struggle unless you count designing your own protagonist or, like, Diablo 3 here you have multiple protagonist options.

JADE WAS BLACK?!

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004


So....Hillary might be on her way to crash her car, but somehow that's worse than someone who already crashed their car?

Republicans and metaphors, mang. :psyduck:

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Captain Fargle posted:

JADE WAS BLACK?!
She also had a pig godfather

Alterian
Jan 28, 2003

I early voted in NC yesterday. Thankfully the community college I teach at is an early voting station! I hope all of the students take the opportunity to go and vote. I know one of the other instructors that teaches a high school class on campus in our program was making it a "field trip" with his 18 year old seniors to go down to the gym so they would have the opportunity to vote. I had to wait in line about 40 minutes. Its been slammed since it opened a week ago.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqjhHVUzl8o

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

She also had a pig godfather
Pig god?

Mixodorian
Jan 26, 2009

Captain Fargle posted:

I'm trying really, really hard to but I can't even name three.

Just to illustrate the point a little you know?

Hahahahaha

What I had in mind was Beyond good and evil (which I don't even know for sure... I took her as black or blatino.), then there was that Broken Age game by Tim Schafer which had a black girl protagonist I think, but I never played it or even followed it past its Kickstarter. Then Clementine from the walking dead game.

I haven't had time to play more than Mario kart for a few years... And I'm sure my post here is still comprehensive for black woman leads in video games.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

do people still think theres gonna be some sort of last oppo bombshell on trump (or clinton) at this point because I feel like it's way too late in the game now

Mixodorian posted:

Hahahahaha

What I had in mind was Beyond good and evil (which I don't even know for sure... I took her as black or blatino.), then there was that Broken Age game by Tim Schafer which had a black girl protagonist I think, but I never played it or even followed it past its Kickstarter. Then Clementine from the walking dead game.

I haven't had time to play more than Mario kart for a few years... And I'm sure my post here is still comprehensive for black woman leads in video games.
i think tale of tales (ugh) last game sunset had one? it's definitely a pretty loving tiny list

Built 4 Cuban Linux
Jul 15, 2007

i own america
Another tied New Hampshire poll came out: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/umass-lowell-7-news-26688

That makes the last 4 polls:
Tie
Tie
Trump +1
Trump +5

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Pigfather god

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



For some reason, this is one of the things that absolutely infuriates me:

https://twitter.com/allegrakirkland/status/794492650191810560

They lied, they acknowledge they lied, but "eh welp the voters heard it now too late sorry". And yet, even if Trump loses, these pieces of poo poo will still have the rest of their lives paid for with Trump TV, book offers, guest appearances in the next elections...

Absolute scum.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Sadly Broken Age ended up as a pile of old wank, and the female black protagonist had the personality of a doorknob:

"I don't wanna fork that."
"I don't wanna fork that."
"I don't wanna fork that."

My copy was free and I still felt ripped off.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

freebooter posted:

Yeah. And remember how much poo poo Kerry got for... wtf was "swiftboating" about again?

They thought he faked his Purple Heart by shooting himself, if I remember it right. Some especially dramatic vets claimed to destroy their own medals in protest. Three cycles later I assume they either lied, used a forgery, or are wondering how they could be so short sighted.

Mixodorian posted:

Most importantly, please understand that only one side in all of this is righteous. No matter what happens, please try to help move society towards true equality. This may be my morning smoke over the top pep talk, but I am serious. We can see when a white American is really putting in the effort to help, and we will always respect you for that considering how many white Americans ignore it completely. Thank you for reading all this.
Thanks for showing me kindness in sparing the snark for a more earnest post. I'm much more accustomed to talking about same-sex/transgender issues when it comes to civil rights. Race is something I'm much less experienced in obviously, but as a policy matter goes much deeper than the simple "treat everyone with the same amount of respect" lessons I tried to live by as a kid.

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Nov 4, 2016

Playstation 4
Apr 25, 2014
Unlockable Ben
Vella still had more personality than Whitebread's-his-name.

Captain Fargle
Feb 16, 2011

Like, I'm not trying to be rude or anything. I legit never realised Jade was supposed to be black. She's relatively pale skinned and just came across as "Vaguely Mediterranean" to me. I don't remember the game ever going into it but I'm guessing she had mixed race parents?

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Mr Interweb posted:

So....Hillary might be on her way to crash her car, but somehow that's worse than someone who already crashed their car?

Republicans and metaphors, mang. :psyduck:

Huckabee in particular only talks in embarrassingly broken metaphor (and embarrassingly broken bass playing)

freebooter posted:

Yeah. And remember how much poo poo Kerry got for... wtf was "swiftboating" about again?

In case you don't remember, basically:
- Kerry captained a patrol boat (or swiftboat) somewhere on the Mekong delta or wherever
- he stormed a couple of beaches like a Mormon Rambo, took some shrapnel on multiple occasions, and was praised by his command and got a few medals
- after 'Nam he threw away his medals and became a public face of anti-war protest
- this made a bunch of Republicans really rear end-mad, so they got a few guys (mostly who were never on his boat IIRC) to lie their old asses off that Kerry was busy getting a tan while Brave Republicans were chasing Charlie down foxholes.
- Kerry also "looked French". this 1-2 combo was enough to disqualify him from the Presidency
- yep

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



canepazzo posted:

First poll of the day, Roanoke gives VA to Clinton 45-38; was +9 just after Hollywood Access tape.

Tracking polls so far:

USC/LAT 46.9/43.4 T (down from 47.5/42.5)
IBD 44/44 for the third day in a row

Speaking of the IBD one, I do question its partisanship; the last three headlines on their results were a variation of "race tied despite CLINTON SCANDAL".

ABC tracking poll 47/44 C, so a further point upwards for Hillary.

Let us English
Feb 21, 2004

Actual photo of Let Us English, probably seen here waking his wife up in the morning talking about chemical formulae when all she wants is a hot cup of shhhhh

GreyjoyBastard posted:

Walking Dead 2, Broken Age, Beyond Good and Evil. I've been in this conversation before. :v:

Hitting a fourth is a struggle unless you count designing your own protagonist or, like, Diablo 3 here you have multiple protagonist options.

Assassin's Creed Liberation

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Let us English posted:

Assassin's Creed Liberation

Huh, guess I am not up on my asscreed.

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The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Let us English posted:

Assassin's Creed Liberation

That was a dude wasn't it?

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