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The Deleter posted:So glad for the return of I've Got A Rock. Success is great design space and absolutely hilarious. Hell, there's some really cool design space across a lot of the cards seen so far. E: bunch more weyland cards linked on facebook by Nick Soto Battlement: 3 cost, 2 strength Barrier. 2 ETR subs Audacity: 0 cost operation. Play only if at least 3 cards in HQ, trash all cards in HQ put 2 advancement counters on up to 2 cards. Veritas: 4 cost, 2 strength sentry. Subs are 'Corp gains 2 cred', .runner loses 2 creds', 'trace2- giver runner a tag' Watchtower: 4 cost, 3 strength code gate. 'Search R&D for a card and add it to HQ' as a sub Tithonnium: 9 cost, 5 strength barrier. Cannot host cards, can forfeit an agenda instead of paying rez cost. 2x 'trash program', 1x 'trash resource and end the run' for subs. berenzen fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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This recent reveal set has made me super hype about Netrunner after getting down over Intervention, so good job Damien I suppose!  berenzen posted:Success is great design space and absolutely hilarious. Some of the Jinteki stuff being shown looks like great fun, like the Ice that forces you to run on Archives if you break its sub, following in the footsteps of Baliff in "Ice that does stuff when subs are broken" design. That's cool as hell.
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Tithonium actually looks really interesting. First Destroyer Barrier I think? And I like the option to forfeit an agenda instead of paying the rez cost, especially if 2/0 agendas are going to be A Thing. Standoff looks fun but bad, given that the Corp has to defend at least two, sometimes three and often four servers I feel like the Runner is going to be quite willing to trash cards to force the Corp to do the same and the payoff if the Runner refuses seems a bit anaemic. Watchtower is a nasty face-check. Meteor Mining is great for flavour alone. edit: Miraju is fun in a PU deck full of Shocks, and a really cool piece of ICE in general Zephro fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Also Chris from RLC and Lukas commentating on the FFG stream hype
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Nov 4, 2016 22:34
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Weyland look to be getting some actually decent poo poo there. Success doesn't look like it works with AD at all, never mind that it's rotating. Mostly glad to see them actually get good operations econ for a change
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Score a 5/3 as setup: click 1: biotic labor click 2: install Gov’t Takeover clicks 3,4,5: Success your 5/3 to get 5 advancements, then use Jemison Astronautics’ ID ability to place 4 more advancements on it, score out  e: also the imgur link has been updated with more cards CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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CodfishCartographer posted:Score a 5/3 as setup: Then when they make the 11/7 martian takeover, Success into that with Government takeover. Also, turn 1 install Hostile Takeover, Install Hostile Takover, Audacity them and take 14 credits
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Zephro posted:Also Chris from RLC and Lukas commentating on the FFG stream hype That was magical, and not just because of how horrible the commentary was for the Wes Dien game.
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Hortum: 4 Rez 4 Str Code Gate with Maulous effect, plus at 3 or more counters it cannot be broken by AI programs. Subs are "Corp gains 1 (corp gains 4)" and "End the run (tutor 2 cards from R&D and end the run)". This cycle is the Weyland Cycle isn't it?  E: Rumors of a Weyland only big box. 
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Six of the top 16* are from the UK meta, which is good to see  *Ben Ni is representing Singapore, but he lives and plays in the UK.
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They seem to be playing with ice that benefits the Corp, I like that Jinteki one that only hurts he runner if they break it
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Zephro posted:^^Actually I was wondering about a GNK or something where NBN and Anarch were both banned, but I guess it would just be ETF vs Nexus Kate and Temujin Andysucker as far as the eye could see You're never going to be able to craft a meta that represents everything. When we bitch about a stale meta, we need to be cognizant of the actual number of viable archetypes within it. Top 8 this year is not very representative, but that's okay, Top 8 almost by definition won't be. BUT, Day 2 is representative that there are absolutely dominant strategies that need to be smoothed out. I actually think Runner's are in pretty good shape, consider the most common builds: Anatomy Whizzard (I refuse to call it regass, because that name is dumb and bad.) DLR Anarch (Admittedly, I don't like DLR decks, but it won't be around forever either.) Temujin Andysucker (Party like it's 2014) Nexus Kate (Not yet included: Smoke all day erry day) Plus, a Hayley made Top 16, and 2 Adam's made day 2. That's at least as many decks as you can reasonably expect from most comparable games. Now, on the Corp side, there are issues, because the decks I can reliably name most of the cards from off hand looks more like: ETF FA NEH Boom NEH FA CTM Boom CTM Boom Sync The-Festering-Corpse-of-IG ETF has been doing it's thing since the game started and will continue to do so until the end of time. I'm okay with this. It's such a baseline that it basically establishes what every other deck needs to be at least as good as. I included IG not because it's seeing a lot of success, but because it's still there as a reminder that the Corp meta is confused and very likely significantly damaged. Which leaves NBN. To me, NBN looks a lot like Magic's early days of Blue. It has: card draw, board control, and efficient tempo. Somewhere along the line, "Win the game better" got assigned to NBN. Core-Set NBN was a crapshoot to play, and the faction did need a lot of smoothing out. But almost every new release feeds more good stuff to Yellow, in new ways, that seem to split the color-pie wildly and at random. There are things that every corp needs to do: make credits, control card flow, protect servers, and end games. But Jenkins & Howard merely ignore any areas in which they don't excel. Consider ICE design; this is supposed to be somewhere that NBN is not as good HB. But NBN has enough top tier ice to do whatever they want, and they have some of the best pieces in the game, e.g. Tollbooth, Wraparound, and Dataraven. Rotation is the way forward, and I really believe that Core 2.0 is needed. No new cards, but a refresh to what's currently "Eternal" to bring the game in line with the way it's developed. FFG desperately needs better playtesters, but this has been an almost cosmic level problem that seems out of designs control. I actually have a lot of good will towards Damon; certainly more than I had for Lukas at the end of his stewardship. He seems to like new design spaces and has been pushing power levels in some of the right places.
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Obokata Protocol is scary as gently caress. Welcome to PE! R&D's full of traps that will kill you! The agendas also kill you! Assets? Operations? ICE? Yep, those kill you too. EDIT: Print net damage-based econ so that I can make a deck where every card kills the runner.
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Marilyn Campaign: If Marilyn Campaign is trashed while installed, you may shuffle it into R&D instead of adding it to Archives Damon gets design ideas from the SA forums, confirmed
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Marilyn campaign has a different cycle symbol on it than the rest of the cards.
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Just wanna say that Anatomy of Anarchy is the precursor to modern DLR, L4J is a better term (although whizz doesn't use either 4tman or Career Fair these days)
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Chiyashi: jinteki 12 cost, 8 STR barrier. If an AI is installed while subs being broken, trash 2 cards from runner's stack. Subs are 2 net damage, 2 net damage, etr
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Zephro posted:Marilyn Campaign: Oh, in that case, Damon, please add some Stealth cards that are not breakers, I think that would be cool
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StashAugustine posted:Isnt random milling basically useless? Forcing Runners to pop Levy early, or even denying it them, seems pretty good. Generally speaking Runners win the game before ever hitting the bottom of their stack - maybe this milling is meant to nerf recursion?
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StashAugustine posted:Isnt random milling basically useless? In a 60-card magic deck full of 4-of cards and bricks in the form of lands, yes. In a 45-card netrunner deck with max 3-of (and often less), there's much less Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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But if you mill it, it may as well be at the bottom of their deck  I'm actually excited for the possibility of milling-out a runner. Stall out the runner then just win. A shitload of these cards work as anti-Faust tech too, it's great.
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Zephro posted:Marilyn Campaign: I'm glad someone else remembered this. I'll be expecting a check in the mail, Damon. StashAugustine posted:Isnt random milling basically useless? I've tried several iterations of PU to mill out a runner completely and force a flatline. While on a case-by-case basis it might be more impactful than regular damage (because the runner can often control what's at risk of regular damage), building a deck around milling out the runner is basically impossible right now unless it's a Museum deck, because you'll deck yourself first otherwise. But then, try testing a Museum deck on jinteki when half your opponents quit when they see a 54-card corp.
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That Ben Li semifinal is the most exciting thing I've ever seen, and as close to "all in <walks away from table>" at the WSOP that NetRunner has ever gotten. Such a great ending.
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Can I make a request for a spoiler tag or moratorium for 24 hours please?
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CodfishCartographer posted:Sensing a bit of a pattern Deleted by the time i clicked. what was this?
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TheParadigm posted:Deleted by the time i clicked. what was this? Literally everyone in the top 8 at worlds has anarch as their runner and nbn as their corp. whizz/val/maxx and ctm/sol/neh.
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CirclMastr posted:I've tried several iterations of PU to mill out a runner completely and force a flatline. While on a case-by-case basis it might be more impactful than regular damage (because the runner can often control what's at risk of regular damage), building a deck around milling out the runner is basically impossible right now unless it's a Museum deck, because you'll deck yourself first otherwise. But then, try testing a Museum deck on jinteki when half your opponents quit when they see a 54-card corp. Also that spoiled Jinteki ICE that does net damage when you pass it is dreamy for PU Zephro fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Nov 5, 2016 |
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Pretty good games were streamed, even though the factions were a little limited you got to pick the stuff that's gonna get you 9 rounds of Swiss plus double slim, it was interesting what actually shook out, lot of people who didn't make the cut played certain archetypes I thought would make the cut .
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Welp, nobody showed up to my local gamestore's ffg steam celebration. So I got a pair of sexy alt-art hedge funds.
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Nice. Post pics? After lurking a bit and spectating on Jinteki.net I feel I can safely say a Chief Slee/ Offer You Can't Refuse deck will win Worlds 2017, take it to the
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Zephro posted:Nice. Post pics? Ended up giving one to a friend, but 
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I bought the core set like a year ago and put it away and forgot about it. I pulled it out and sleeved up the suggested starters for Criminals and Haas Bioroid. The game seems pretty sweet, but complex as hell. I've played magic for a while and that's easy to understand for me, but this is like learning two different games. I did watch some tutorials on youtube to help figure out what the gently caress is happening. I haven't played a successful game yet. We need to look over the rules more and try it out, but I'm aiming for playing my first game tonight with another person that hasn't played at all. Wish us luck.
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Welcome to the game! Like you said, the game is pretty complex, but it rewards tactical thinking and bluffing quite a bit. I know quite a few of us play on Jinteki.net. The biggest change from magic that the game has is the lack of a stack. Runner and corp don't trade actions back and forth and resolve them in reverse order. Instead the corp resolves all actions passes to the runner, then the runner resolves all actions and passes back to the corp, once both have closed, the window for actions closes.
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berenzen posted:Welcome to the game! Like you said, the game is pretty complex, but it rewards tactical thinking and bluffing quite a bit. I know quite a few of us play on Jinteki.net. The biggest change from magic that the game has is the lack of a stack. Runner and corp don't trade actions back and forth and resolve them in reverse order. Instead the corp resolves all actions passes to the runner, then the runner resolves all actions and passes back to the corp, once both have closed, the window for actions closes. Note: this resolution order applies on the corp's turn. On the runner's turn, the runner gets to resolve actions first. Whoever's turn it is gets to resolve as many actions as they want, then it switches over to the other player. This continues until neither player takes an action.
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