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The Great Autismo! posted:like the whole idea of the dunning-kroeger effect is that you are not able to assess your own level, meaning you think you are better than what you are. it doesn't work when you have taken an exam that has actually assessed you and said that you are now at a level that allows you to speak fluently across multiple conversation topics. Also there's the phenomenon where you have a conversation with the person on the phone and there are no problems, then suddenly he can't understand a word you say when you get there and are talking face to face. I have never been good enough at a language for this but I know many friends who have had this happen literally a bazillion times. My Mandarin is awful and I live in Chengdu where nobody speaks Mandarin anyway, but most of the time people are pretty chill and we manage.
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Grand Fromage posted:Also there's the phenomenon where you have a conversation with the person on the phone and there are no problems, then suddenly he can't understand a word you say when you get there and are talking face to face. I have never been good enough at a language for this but I know many friends who have had this happen literally a bazillion times. What is the sichuan dialect like?
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Grand Fromage posted:Also there's the phenomenon where you have a conversation with the person on the phone and there are no problems, then suddenly he can't understand a word you say when you get there and are talking face to face. so, so, so many times in Korea when ordering food... of course, I doubt the delivery guy was ever the same as the person who took my order, but still... also, speaking Korean to someone and they just burst out laughing... gently caress me for speaking your magical loving language, right? I... I may have PTSD...
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:What is the sichuan dialect like? Tones are flattened a lot and sound quite a bit different than the standard. Lots of different words, the consonants are weird. Lots of Z and R sounds. I don't really know enough to tell in detail but I can manage often if someone speaks Mandarin slowly but when they speak Sichuan I have literally not a clue what they're saying. My bosses are native Cantonese speakers and also know Mandarin and can't understand Sichuan at all, and I have a couple friends from Guangdong who went to college here and told me the same thing. The problem here is that they're told Sichuanhua is just a type of Mandarin, which it is not. If you're in Guangdong you know that Cantonese is a completely different language and so you learn Mandarin like it's a foreign language, and Cantonese people tend to be good at it. Sichuan people are raised to think they speak Mandarin with just a slight accent, so they don't make a lot of effort to learn it in school and end up speaking a weird mishmash. The schools are trying to stop this. I saw this elementary school with a big electronic sign about it. I can't find the pic but it was like SPEAKING MANDARIN IS LOVING YOUR COUNTRY. GOOD STUDENTS DO NOT SPEAK SICHUANHUA. E: I dunno if Magna Kaser reads this thread but he'd be able to tell you in detail, his Chinese is really good and he's lived here in Sichuan for a while. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Nov 5, 2016 |
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if you tell a chinese person you think Mao was really bad and a monster, do they get very nervous they are going to get taken away by the police listening to everybody is that a big No no
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Pon de Bundy posted:if you tell a chinese person you think Mao was really bad and a monster, do they get very nervous they are going to get taken away by the police listening to everybody http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/world/asia/china-mao-hitler.html?_r=0
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fish and chips and dip posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/world/asia/china-mao-hitler.html?_r=0 uhhh wow i cant even imagine what chinese education on mao is like
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Pon de Bundy posted:if you tell a chinese person you think Mao was really bad and a monster, do they get very nervous they are going to get taken away by the police listening to everybody This is a big problem on Vancouver.
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If you say anything bad about Mao or the cultural revolution or that China is not a bastion of human rights or democracy, Vancouver's mayor personally comes to your home and calls you a racist and reports you to the Chinese government.
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The Great Autismo! posted:that would hold true if it were the same across the board but i literally sit in meetings at work in chinese and give presentations in chinese at work and talk to my boss and HR in chinese at work and they have zero problems ever understanding me, so either they are just nodding their heads and just guessing what i'm saying correctly for the past few years, or people giving me blank stares when i'm talking to them in chinese have the issues. i only have HSK4 level though, the guy i work with has HSK5 and the same thing happens to him. There's only one way to solve this now. Obviously a formal test is too . . . formal. You need to test it on the streets. Here's what you do: wear a mask out in public and talk to people in Chinese. They won't know you're white, because of the mask! If they are able to understand you, rip off that mask and force them to talk to you like you're people.
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ladron posted:he can't view that, and neither can I, but we'll assume it's something cool It was a link to nong's post history to show Lazer Monkey that he could not be further from the truth. ladron posted:so, so, so many times in Korea when ordering food... of course, I doubt the delivery guy was ever the same as the person who took my order, but still... <asks for one ticket to Jihaeng Station in perfect Korean (says please and thank you)> <lady behind the counter looks and me and says, "uhhhhhhh..." <Jihaeng Station please> <lady behind counter ". . . . . . "> <Jihaeng Station> <lady behind counter, "OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH. . . Jihaeng Station. . . wayguk is trying to speak Korean!"> <repeat this exchange in a variety of scenarios at least 4 times a week> I really want to go back to Korea for a month or two. . . I might have Stockholm syndrome.
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I can't believe you idiots sincerely responded to such an obvious troll. goddamn
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Raptor1033 posted:I can't believe you idiots sincerely responded to such an obvious troll. goddamn WHO IS THE TROLL please respond
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Pon de Bundy posted:if you tell a chinese person you think Mao was really bad and a monster, do they get very nervous they are going to get taken away by the police listening to everybody Why would you do something like that. Even if only 25% of people would actually get mad and of those only 5% would do something. Like I'm not a huge Obama fan or anything but how am I going to react if some Mainlander comes up to me and starts going OBAMA NUMBA ONE HITLER PIG FUCKER DOG PISS poo poo PISS MAN. It's just like, ok sperg.
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Sheep-Goats posted:Why would you do something like that. Even if only 25% of people would actually get mad and of those only 5% would do something. Like I'm not a huge Obama fan or anything but how am I going to react if some Mainlander comes up to me and starts going OBAMA NUMBA ONE HITLER PIG FUCKER DOG PISS poo poo PISS MAN. It's just like, ok sperg. you dont go to jail for saying obama is a pig fucker sorry sounds like china has some growing up to do
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Pon de Bundy posted:you dont go to jail for saying obama is a pig fucker sorry It's still a real on the spectrum thing to do though. A lot of foreigners in Thailand can't help but to find some way to poo poo talk the king. No matter what your feelings are or what the facts are it's a really odd thing to do. It's like going over to someone's house as a kid and calling their mom fat or something. Just don't be goofy.
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fish and chips and dip posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/world/asia/china-mao-hitler.html?_r=0 quote:Mr. Rehage’s statement was “subjective,” meaning incorrect, and is therefore not protected speech, Zhu Wei, the deputy director of the Communications Law Center at the China University of Political Science and Law, was quoted as saying in one of the articles. So the only things that are protected by freedom of speech are things that the ruling party has decided are true? This is literally retarded.
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Pon de Bundy posted:you dont go to jail for saying obama is a pig fucker sorry In America you go to jail for not being white. That's why we have more inmates than they do.
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Sheep-Goats posted:Why would you do something like that. Even if only 25% of people would actually get mad and of those only 5% would do something. Like I'm not a huge Obama fan or anything but how am I going to react if some Mainlander comes up to me and starts going OBAMA NUMBA ONE HITLER PIG FUCKER DOG PISS poo poo PISS MAN. It's just like, ok sperg. Yeah. Mao's dead, there isn't really anything that you could say to change their minds. Things could have turned out worse, and China could have had Mao's son running the things to this day. China should be thankful for Noodles and South African bombers.
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:In America you go to jail for not being white. That's why we have more inmates than they do. Harvesting their organs faster than they can lock up dissenters is nothing to brag about.
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Outrail posted:So the only things that are protected by freedom of speech are things that the ruling party has decided are true? Yep Once in a while you will have someone explain to you in a patronizing tone why this is a smart and just policy too, like the gutter oil fudge on a melamine tainted sundae
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Sheep-Goats posted:It's still a real on the spectrum thing to do though. A lot of foreigners in Thailand can't help but to find some way to poo poo talk the king. No matter what your feelings are or what the facts are it's a really odd thing to do. It's like going over to someone's house as a kid and calling their mom fat or something. sorry these asian countries have such sensitive baby feelings its really funny thais have to fake pretend they are sad their dictator is dead and their aids infected prince is now their god
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Pon de Bundy posted:sorry these asian countries have such sensitive baby feelings <Watches video of their Queen eating dessert on the floor topless>
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I'm just saying if you don't see victims of the drug war as political prisoners resulting from an institutionally racist justice system you're either willfully naive or an idiot.
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Blistex posted:<Watches video of their Queen eating dessert on the floor topless> that dog was really handsome and did deserve a state funeral tho
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Pon de Bundy posted:sorry these asian countries have such sensitive baby feelings Dictator is off the mark. He was genuinely admired and respected by a lot of Thai people, probably a majority of Thai people, and everyone there is nervous about what will happen post Bhumipol.
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:I'm just saying if you don't see victims of the drug war as political prisoners resulting from an institutionally racist justice system you're either willfully naive or an idiot. Just not histrionic is probably a little closer to it
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Sheep-Goats posted:Yep It get's better. It's like Calvinball law arguments. quote:In an interview, Mr. Zhu, the communications law professor, restated his accusations and insisted that those living outside China’s borders could be bound to Chinese law for their online speech. Mr. Rehage, he said, had violated the so-called Seven Bottom Lines. LOL! Imagine if New Zealand demanded that all internet users referred to Australia as 'The West Island of New Zealand', and not doing so was breaking the law. quote:But he said he worried about the safety of any foreigners in China who might look like him. “I am a little concerned by the people who have been calling for my murder,” he said.
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Outrail posted:It get's better. It's like Calvinball law arguments. would require somebody to acknowledge New Zealand first
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Outrail posted:It get's better. It's like Calvinball law arguments. I am out raged! We are the East Islands of New Zealand.
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oohhboy posted:I am out raged! We are the East Islands of New Zealand. Wut?
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Sheep-Goats posted:Just not histrionic is probably a little closer to it Also lol at fawning over the King; he was an enabler of seriously hosed up poo poo, including how his son behaved, the coups and the military and didn't do poo poo about it because the system made him the richest monarch in the world, which is like being the largest bloodsucking tick on the planet
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:I'm just saying if you don't see victims of the drug war as political prisoners resulting from an institutionally racist justice system you're either willfully naive or an idiot. Oh I'm sorry what's the penalty for drug crimes in china again?
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Outrail posted:Wut? Err, joke didn't come out right, excuse me...
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LingcodKilla posted:Oh I'm sorry what's the penalty for drug crimes in china again?
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what if your dad isnt famous crazy person Jackie Chan?
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Huge_Midget posted:I'm convinced that at one point in time in the early 2000s that like a good 20% of SA members went to Purdue. We had some pretty awesome goon meets back then. When were you there? I was there from 2005-2010, made a few friends from SA there. and then made the mistake of moving back to Lafayette in 2012 for a girl and have been here since I don't know if the forum just has a weirdly disproportionate number of users from/in this state or if we're just more vocal about our misery. Edit: fish and chips and dip posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/world/asia/china-mao-hitler.html?_r=0 quote:Mr. Rehage, who said that he usually visited China several times a year and that he was writing “an entertainment book about China,” said that he had no immediate plans to apply for a Chinese visa, and that he would first wait for the situation to calm down. This guy is kind of an idiot. Vernii fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Nov 5, 2016 |
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Pon de Bundy posted:so chinese people hate weed. . . People still smoke weed. But it's the ones you find in the wild and the THC content is super low. It's mostly a farmer thing
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