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How many quarters after Q1 2016 till Marissa Mayer is unemployed?
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	Her job is guaranteed; what are you even talking about?

Konstantin: Jun 20, 2005; And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.

One big difference is that in poker, you actually have to spend time playing. A poker pro typically doesn't play in small stakes games, because it's not worth his time. In DFS, pros can and do play small stakes, since submitting a lineup only takes a few seconds.

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SurgicalOntologist: Jun 17, 2004

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

I think what you're not realizing is that you're in a small minority of people who take the time to figure out how the game really works. The vast majority of people dumping money in will never do that. If they did, the system would fall apart.

I realize I'm in the minority, but I can't see how it would hurt the game for people to understand how it works. It would stop the conspiracy theories. And if your suggestion is that understanding the odds would make them stop playing, that seems unlikely. If the belief that the game is rigged to the point where it is impossible to win hasn't stopped them, I'm not sure how a better understanding of the game would.

Konstantin posted:

One big difference is that in poker, you actually have to spend time playing. A poker pro typically doesn't play in small stakes games, because it's not worth his time. In DFS, pros can and do play small stakes, since submitting a lineup only takes a few seconds.

This is true and I'm not sure what the solution is. I mean, the obvious solution is to limit the pros entry to smaller stakes but I haven't seen a good way to do this. The sites have restricted the number of entries to low buy-in tournaments which has been popular but in my view has negative consequences. It separates the field into beginners and sharks, removing the middle ground and forcing bad bankroll decisions. As I mentioned earlier I started by mass entering 25-cent games but with the new limits that wouldn't be possible. I could play 50 x 25-cent lineups for $12.50 or 50 x $1 lineups for $50. But to get more than 50 lineups I need to move up to 150 x $3 lineups for $450 which was out of reach of my bankroll until recently (these limits are currently forced by state laws BTW and are based entirely on what feels right rather than any empirical analysis). So it wouldn't really be possible to grind from low to middle stakes anymore. These kind of rules are forcing people to move up in stakes before they're ready. On the flip side, if a "pro" hits the wrong end of variance and loses confidence in their strategy or needs to cash out due to a medical emergency or something are we really going to block them from playing lower stakes?

The only kind of rule I would support in theory is one that limits the total number of simultaneous entries, so that entering a 25-cent game means one fewer $100 entry. But I won't support any actual proposal because the proposed limits are always absurdly low and would preclude players like me, not beginners but certainly not pros, from using smart bankroll management. By just about any proposal to deal with this issue, I would either quit or be forced to play higher stakes than I'm comfortable with. Forcing people to play higher stakes is not a good look for an industry that's trying to avoid being seen as gambling.

Singe entry tournaments exist so people are free to avoid playing against people like me who enter lots of lineups if they wish. The funny thing is, though, that you need more points to win these tournaments because multiple lineups doesn't actually increase your ROI, just your volume.

I should shut up about this since it's a major derail. But the whole thing just drives me crazy. If I want to play 1000 25-cent lineups against other people playing 1000 lineups, I should be able to. I think that would be fun. And it would be interesting to have a game with no entry limits because there would be disagreement about the optimal number of entries. People who don't like that idea could play in the tournaments with entry limits. But no, it would be illegal to allow more than 50 entries in a 25-cent game.

SurgicalOntologist fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Nov 5, 2016

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BarbarianElephant: Feb 12, 2015; The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Professional online poker sounds about as fun as WoW gold farming.

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Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

exploding mummy posted:

Yes, the photocopier company that names itself after a photocopying process to the point where its name became just as ubiquitous as photocopying has no bearing as its name as a photocopying company.

Nobody knows what Xerox's name means, it was just a sequence of syllables to virtually every human who encountered it. That it became a generic sort of inverts causality, no?

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feller: Jul 5, 2006

Subjunctive posted:

Nobody knows what Xerox's name means, it was just a sequence of syllables to virtually every human who encountered it. That it became a generic sort of inverts causality, no?

This is an even more tedious argument than whatever that crap about apple was

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suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Senor Dog posted:

This is an even more tedious argument than whatever that crap about apple was

It's also true.

Ask a random person if they understand the term xerography, they won't. Ask a random person if they understand the term xeroxing, they will.

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withak: Jan 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

Every once in a while my work computer pops up a message saying that the printer is temporarily making xerographic adjustments when I try to print.

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Sulphagnist: Oct 10, 2006; WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

BarbarianElephant posted:

Professional online poker sounds about as fun as WoW gold farming.

I did it for a while in 2007 and 2008 when the boom was biggest, and to be honest I'm a little salty about DFS seeming to get a pass while Congress brought down the hammer on online poker at the behest of B&M casinos and dried the pond up. But it was pretty dreary unless you had the talent and persistence to make it big time. The clich�d wisdom goes, "it's a hard way to make an easy living."

But I wouldn't be too naive about DFS and cheating given that whenever there's large amounts of money moving there will be temptation to cheat: Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker had their own massive cheating scandals back in the day. However DFS is clearly it's own animal and I know pretty much nothing about it and would've happily lived in ignorance if I hadn't had to listen to a DraftKings advertisement on every podcast.

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Subjunctive posted:

Nobody knows what Xerox's name means, it was just a sequence of syllables to virtually every human who encountered it. That it became a generic sort of inverts causality, no?

Yeah if Xerox was founded or named in 2016 I would totally agree.

But it was named 60 years ago and it wasn't genericized at that point so ignoring causality is idiotic.

I don't disagree with your point all that much either, Apple has no bearing on anything that Apple did, other than the fact that Jobs was on a fruit kick.

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Arsenic Lupin: Apr 12, 2012; This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.

Subjunctive posted:

I know what all of them mean. None, with the exception of Compaq, convey to the layperson whether they are search engines, phone makers, pharmaceutical companies, or toys. Please see the post to which I was replying, it is relevant to my point.

Company names used to tell a story. You asked once what it meant, and somebody told you a story, and the story told you something about the company. It was mnemonic, and it was satisfying to those of us who like stories. It wasn't that you could reason out the name, it was that once somebody explained the name it made sense.

Now, when you ask somebody, "So, why Altiq?" (I made up Altiq. It no doubt exists anyway.) the answer is "It's just a name." Which isn't fun, and isn't easy to remember. I can remember Oracle. I can remember Hewlett-Packard. Palantir can remember me. Exabeam*? Whatever.

*Exabeam actually does exist.

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BarbarianElephant: Feb 12, 2015; The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Hewlett-Packard sounds like an accounting firm. You only remember it because you've heard it so many times.

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Dr. Fishopolis: Aug 31, 2004; ROBOT

there is literally no more enjoyable activity in san francisco than meeting a palantir employee and innocently asking something like "wait wasn't that that thing from lord of the rings that sauron used to spy on everybody?"

they get so, so angry.

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WorldsStongestNerd: Apr 28, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

Subjunctive posted:

Nobody knows what Xerox's name means, it was just a sequence of syllables to virtually every human who encountered it. That it became a generic sort of inverts causality, no?

Maybe hang out with smarter people? Like is there anybody who doesn't know that xerox is short for the name of the actual process?

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moebius2778: May 3, 2013

Bishounen Bonanza posted:

Maybe hang out with smarter people? Like is there anybody who doesn't know that xerox is short for the name of the actual process?

I'll admit it - prior to this discussion I didn't even know the word xerography.

I think I might've run into the term electrophotography before, but I'm not positive about that.

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cheese: Jan 7, 2004; Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Subjunctive posted:

Nothing as obvious as Google, Apple, Compaq, Xerox, or Hewlett-Packard, certainly.

There is a difference between a name that may or may not be recognizable, have a logical origin or make sense for a reason that might not be immediately obvious and a name that is a completely made up word with zero bearing on absolutely anything except that they were not taken, i.e. the Silicon Valley episode where he takes shrooms and tries to create a startup name.

SurgicalOntologist posted:

DFS Chat

The issue with Fan Duel and Draft Kings is that north of 60m people play Fantasy Sports and they promised investors that they could get at that market. They were not able to for a variety of reasons, including horrible new user experiences leading to bad retention rates, perceived or real collusion and cheating, lack of community, etc. It is possible they are still growing, but DFS sites are not taking the fantasy world by storm.

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Rhesus Pieces: Jun 27, 2005

cheese posted:

They were not able to for a variety of reasons, including horrible new user experiences leading to bad retention rates, perceived or real collusion and cheating, lack of community, etc. It is possible they are still growing, but DFS sites are not taking the fantasy world by storm.

I'm not into fantasy sports or gambling at all but if I were I still would have avoided FanDuel and DraftKings purely to punish them for their absurdly aggressive and obnoxious ad campaigns.

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Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Arsenic Lupin posted:

So, why Altiq?

quote:

Altiq is a hedge fund group set up to apply state-of-the-art technology solutions to investment management.Its founders have over 15 years experience in the field of quantitative finance, and have assembled a team of experienced professionals in order to build a class leading firm. The foundation of the company is a research driven approach, with intelligent decisions executed in an efficient manner. Whilst underlying market behaviour is complex and therefore requires a degree of complexity in the systems used to invest, Altiq believes that the investment proposition to its clients should be simple: an innovative investment approach, built on a well run business platform, managed by people they can trust.

The Team

Altiq was founded by Dr Sam Gover and Dr Peter Ho in 2009. Sam Gover has a degree in Electronic Engineering and a PhD in Digital Signal Processing from Imperial College, London. Peter Ho has a degree in Engineering and Computing Science, and a PhD in Bayesian Estimation from Oxford University. After completing their academic research, both joined IKOS in 1994. As pioneers in the electronic trading industry, they were among the first hedge fund managers to apply automated trading strategies in equity and derivative markets. Having joined the firm in its infancy they were instrumental in growing the fund and the business to become a multi-billion dollar top tier manager. Sam Gover was Fund Manager of the IKOS Futures and FX strategies, whilst Peter Ho was Head of Research and also manager of the IKOS Equity strategies. Between them they were also responsible for IKOS's flagship fund, the IKOS Equity Hedge Fund. Both have extensive experience in the fields of quantitative forecasting, risk management, and automated trading.

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MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

Rhesus Pieces posted:

I'm not into fantasy sports or gambling at all but if I were I still would have avoided FanDuel and DraftKings purely to punish them for their absurdly aggressive and obnoxious ad campaigns.

Don't worry, you're not the target audience. Those obnoxiously aggressive ads exist almost solely to reel in addicts.

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Qwertycoatl: Dec 31, 2008