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I loved parrying in 1 and silver knights basically forced me to learn how to, hosed around not doing it until I saw the first silver knight of this game Can't help but say the timing is different but I'll get it eventually I guess
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The Irithyll knights are ridiculous at punishing rolls, too! That swing - delayed swing - swing - delayed swing 6 hit combo is relentless in forcing you to learn the roll patterns instead of panic rolling. It feels like this game has a lot of enemies and bosses purposefully punishing panic rolls with perfectly delayed attacks that hit just when you exit a mistimed roll. I can't remember anything like that from DS1 and DS2, but I really like it!
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Nov 7, 2016 14:41
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Some of the enemies can perfectly time hits after you've been knocked down, most don't but these fuckers are pretty much perfect when it comes to timing when my iframes are over
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Nov 7, 2016 14:45
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Millwood knights were the only enemies that were able to consistently punish me for tumbleweeding away. Part of the reason I dont like them. They have a ton of health and super dangerous attacks, but it's not rewarding to kill them.
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Nov 7, 2016 14:49
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you know a secret item that will make irithyl knights and the irithyl beasts really easy? shields. i know, insane, but they work!
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Nov 7, 2016 14:52
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Iretep posted:you know a secret item that will make irithyl knights and the irithyl beasts really easy? shields. i know, insane, but they work! Do you mean like having a grass crest shield on your back or something?
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Nov 7, 2016 14:55
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If you can give Pontiff Beasts a few good hits on the nose they'll stagger, and that's pretty much ballgame. They take an incredibly long time to recover from a riposte.
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Nov 7, 2016 14:58
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AttackBacon posted:Crow Talons: A strong addition to the claw class with some unique moves and a weapon art with amazing one-shot potential. Fills a similar niche to the existing claws but the new L button moves add a lot of variety and are very good. I mean, maybe I'm blind, but the L1 combo on the crow talons looks exactly the same to me as all the other claw L1 combos? And somehow manages to have the same range despite looking 1.5 times longer than a normal claw.
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Nov 7, 2016 15:10
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How does shield stability work, exactly? Specifically, I want to use Hawkwood's shield with 54 Stability, but how would that compare to the Iron Round Shield with 62 Stability in terms of stamina damage?
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Nov 7, 2016 15:53
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stability is a %. 100 stability means you dont lose stamina from hits.
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Nov 7, 2016 16:08
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Iretep posted:stability is a %. 100 stability means you dont lose stamina from hits. This is why the difference between say a 50 and 75 stab shield is huge. You're not getting a 50% improvement; the amount of end damage you take goes from 50% to 25% i.e. you can block 2x as many attacks with the 75 stab shield. Although most medium shields are a bit crap for actually blocking with the heavier ones can be pretty drat good.
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Nov 7, 2016 16:30
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Yeah 50 stability can break in two hits from a heavier weapon sometimes.
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Nov 7, 2016 16:37
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Oh alright. It would be neat to tank two straight sword hits at least, but I could just try it out... NPC phantoms don't to comparable damage to real invaders though, right? Could I just try it with Kirk or does he scale just like enemies?
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Nov 7, 2016 16:54
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Obligatum VII posted:I mean, maybe I'm blind, but the L1 combo on the crow talons looks exactly the same to me as all the other claw L1 combos? And somehow manages to have the same range despite looking 1.5 times longer than a normal claw. The L1 combo is the same but the while running L1 and rolling L1 (I believe) are different. The while running L1 in particular is really good and is what I was specifically thinking of, it's practically a second weapon art. The regular claw L1 is a good move once you are in range (which the while running L1 and weapon art do a good job of, also rolling R1) especially versus shields, it can really lock them down.
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Nov 7, 2016 17:26
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It's a little weird I've never seen anyone else using the Spiked Mace. It's real heavy and the bleed on it basically doesn't matter at all, but it's reasonably high-damage and the weapon art makes the thing fuckin' combo city. R1->L2->R1->L2->R2 is 7 hits, 6 of which are really wide-sweeping ones that hit like 300 degrees around you. Most of its attacks have poise frames, too. I've got a hosed up build that's using it as a Sharp weapon and pumped my dex to 40 with only 22 strength, and it seems to take Infusions really well. It's more effective Sharp than Refined.
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Nov 7, 2016 17:49
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Mighty Dicktron posted:It's a little weird I've never seen anyone else using the Spiked Mace. When invading, it's one of the red flag weapons that the host is probably more dangerous than usual. I haven't used it much myself but the reach on the combos is devastating. poo poo, now I want to make a character pretending to be an Evangelist. Can you stick carthus rouge on a blessed gem weapon? Or I guess failing that, cast the blessed weapon buff on a bleed gem weapon? Sard fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Nov 7, 2016 |
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Nov 7, 2016 17:59
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Any weapon you have to farm I don't see much of.
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Nov 7, 2016 18:03
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That never stopped everyone and their dog using the Balder Side Sword in 1!!
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Nov 7, 2016 18:11
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Item discovery seems less generous in 3. Ot at least the gold snake rings worse.
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Nov 7, 2016 18:14
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Mighty Dicktron posted:That never stopped everyone and their dog using the Balder Side Sword in 1!! That weapon never dropped for me. 
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Nov 7, 2016 18:33
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Any weapon you have to farm I don't see much of. No one uses the carthus curved sword.
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Nov 7, 2016 18:34
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If you want to block with a medium shield, just get a black knight shield. It's 7.5 units heavy but it has the best stability of all medium shields and good elemental resistances on top of that, get it to +4 with twinkling titanite by the end of the game and you're set. The only alternative is the shield of want wich is decent but this one and BKShield can't parry so take that into account. A weapon with good weapon art like Follower Sabre or Bestoc with shield splitter are good weapons to go with them.SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Any weapon you have to farm I don't see much of. Carthus Curved Sword, Dark Sword, Lothric Knight sword are popular weapons you have to farm. Guillermus fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Nov 7, 2016 |
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Nov 7, 2016 18:36
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Drop rate on dark sword seems really generous. Pretty sure you can buy all the lorthic swords. Ccs yeah. Why is it considered better than the curved swords longer than it?
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Nov 7, 2016 18:48
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I killed about a hundred evangelists in the little overpass above the alley in undead burg on my man-mode guy without it dropping, and gave up, then got 1 on my paladin just playing through the burg normally, and another at the Cathedral of the Deep.
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Nov 7, 2016 18:48
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Ccs yeah. Why is it considered better than the curved swords longer than it? The two swords (as far as I know) longer than it are the Pontiff Knight and Storm Curved Sword at 393 and 370 AR, respectively, with 40/40. Neither can be buffed. The Carthus Curved Sword has an AR of 438 when infused with refined, can be buffed, and has innate bleed. And the ccs is so long to begin with, it makes no difference that it's technically "shorter". I feel like the curved swords could lose 100 AR and still be very good weapons, since they're so long and fast - it's just absurd the ccs does 500-700 damage per R1-combo with that swing speed
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Nov 7, 2016 18:57
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Drop rate on dark sword seems really generous. Pretty sure you can buy all the lorthic swords. Yeah forgot that you can buy the Lothric Swords later but you can farm the straight sword right at the start, sorry. Forgot about heavy weapons that you can farm and are good like the Greataxe, Spiked Mace, Black Knight Greataxe, Black Knight Greatsword and Carthus Curved Greatsword (this thing scales great with infusions).
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Nov 7, 2016 19:32
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Did rando get the ccgs on my quality character. Never hear about it so I didn't know if anyone liked it. Could have swore the ccs couldn't be buffed but maybe I'm thinking of another weapon people did the tumble buff glitch with
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Nov 7, 2016 19:37
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Maleh-Vor posted:I killed about a hundred evangelists in the little overpass above the alley in undead burg on my man-mode guy without it dropping, and gave up, then got 1 on my paladin just playing through the burg normally, and another at the Cathedral of the Deep. standard dark souls behaviour. You won't find that awesome dex weapon on your dex character, but you'll end up with 10 on your str character. Or whatever.
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Nov 7, 2016 19:40
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Mighty Dicktron posted:It's a little weird I've never seen anyone else using the Spiked Mace. It's real heavy and the bleed on it basically doesn't matter at all, but it's reasonably high-damage and the weapon art makes the thing fuckin' combo city. R1->L2->R1->L2->R2 is 7 hits, 6 of which are really wide-sweeping ones that hit like 300 degrees around you. Most of its attacks have poise frames, too. The Spiked Mace was actually a really popular weapon near launch cause of the ridiculousness of the Spin Bash skill at the time. You don't see it as much now that that has been nerfed. Still definitely one of the better great hammers since it's fairly light and pretty powerful for it (unlike the Great Wooden Hammer  ).
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Nov 7, 2016 19:57
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The harder a weapon is too farm to more powerful it is. This is why the harpe and giant wooden mallet are top tier.
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Nov 7, 2016 19:59
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Internet Kraken posted:The harder a weapon is too farm to more powerful it is. This is why the harpe and giant wooden mallet are top tier. I got 2 Great Wooden Hammers killing that one guy that was on the way to the Evangelist, too. Dark Souls.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:06
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Maleh-Vor posted:I got 2 Great Wooden Hammers killing that one guy that was on the way to the Evangelist, too. Dark Souls. No matter how dumb the drops in this series get, they will never top the first time I rolled into Tseldora and smashed a spider the size of a weimaraner, only for it to fade away in a cloud of souls and leave behind a great scythe.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:38
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skasion posted:No matter how dumb the drops in this series get, they will never top the first time I rolled into Tseldora and smashed a spider the size of a weimaraner, only for it to fade away in a cloud of souls and leave behind a great scythe. Same but a Zweihander.
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skasion posted:No matter how dumb the drops in this series get, they will never top the first time I rolled into Tseldora and smashed a spider the size of a weimaraner, only for it to fade away in a cloud of souls and leave behind a great scythe. They could drop the Zweihander too. On my first run I already had one so there you go, powerstanced Zweihanders because FROM put random weapon drops from a bigass spider.
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Maybe they like to carry them around. For decoration. I got a Ricard's Rapier from one of those and thought it had some meaning, now that I think about it. I started wondering about whether he got killed by spiders. Not sure if I'd found the one in the chest by then. Maleh-Vor fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Nov 7, 2016 |
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MarshyMcFly posted:The dragonslayer spear is AWFUL in PVP. It's probably the most parriable weapon in the game and its weapon art is a big sign saying "please riposte me!" The swordspear on the other hand has a less predictable move set that when 2 handed has hyper armor too. I'd argue that the sword spear is better in duels because if you activate the weapon art at range you know if they are going to charge you for a backstab only to get blasted by lightning. It also buffs the weapon too which is primarily what I use it for. In brawls it's awful because the weapon art is backstabbable and you need a big wind up for it. One dude coming behind you that you don't know about could ruin your day with that thing. I usually don't use the weapon art in 3v3s or brawls. I have a lovely unfocused build that uses that spear in PvP. I never even got around to picking up the Leo Ring either. I do..... alright, I suppose. Not brilliant, but I've got a handful of strategies that work reliably against people who don't know what they are doing. Frequent backsteps followed by occasional R1s to keep people at range, or dodging through attacks and then doing running attacks when people try to dodge away. Also the BA makes people panic-roll like crazy. I do get parried occasionally, but that's just a risk you take with most weapons. It's extremely difficult to win with against somebody who does know what they are doing, though, but on the other hand it's incredibly satisfying to see somebody pulling out Friede's scythe and telegraphing that they're going to immediately go all-in with the spinning attack, backing off, then charging in and skewering them, turning their instant win button into an instant lose  I just don't want to use tryhard meta weapons and would rather try to outplay people with something slightly unusual.
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On PVP people tend to underestimate how good is Greataxe's rolling attack. I love the fast and short ranged smash that the large and great club lost from DS1. It may be the shorter range on the Greataxe compared to Yhorm's but people usually go reckless thinking that their longer straightsword or CCS can trade hits with it then they get pancaked or get comboed by it.
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Yeah the range is poo poo, but the speed is great. You can easily punish people chasing your rolls. I think I'm going to try two fisting a spear with the paint guardian sword. Spear seems like the best compliment to it, as anything bigger I deffo want to two hand. Does that logic seem good? Should I go with great lance the best weapon in the game
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Sapozhnik posted:I have a lovely unfocused build that uses that spear in PvP. I never even got around to picking up the Leo Ring either. I think the key is that once you've got enough PvP experience you can win against most people even if you're not using the top meta weapons. I'm using the carthus curved greatsword, and even though it's slow and parryable I win most matches simply because most people don't know how to counter it or simply don't care to use the top tier meta. Sure, I'll have no chance against a confident player with a curved sword and a parrying tool, but those are actually kinda rare! And since I know it's easy to parry, I try not to be too predictable. Carthus Curved Greatsword is super fun either way! Curved Greatswords are like quick Ultra Greatswords since they have the same poise properties, only they need less stamina. You can poise through straightswords, curved swords, scythes etc with almost no poise at all.
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Yeah, a lot of the Youtubers who just pvp a ton consistently manage to wreck people with garbage tier weapons like the Handmaid's Dagger and Arstor's Spear. There's a whole lot more than just having a good moveset on your weapon, and most of it is just intuition and timing, like it becomes in most multiplayer games.
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