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JeffersonClay
Jun 17, 2003

by R. Guyovich
Westworld is probably not on earth.

Which means it's about rich dudes spending all their money on space hookers.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

the rich dudes are also robots

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
What is the Workers World Party's deal?

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i honestly don't know. rumblings at the time of the split (this is all hearsay, i was a child when it happened) were that wwp was too clandestine in its involvement with the answer coalition and the faction that eventually became psl believed the party should be more open. so it's kind of hilarious now to see wwp running candidates and doing the very thing the psl split from them for not doing

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP4l_PeBMyk

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


anyone voted for gloria la riva?

I wrote her in :patriot: 🇨🇳🇱🇷

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Condiv posted:

anyone voted for gloria la riva?

I wrote her in :patriot: 🇨🇳🇱🇷

Not on my ballot. :negative:

I'm thinking about voting for Evan McMullin.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

Condiv posted:

anyone voted for gloria la riva?

I wrote her in :patriot: 🇨🇳🇱🇷

same but idk if she is registered as a write in in tx

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer
Monica Moorehead is the only one on the ballot in Wisconsin. La Riva and Soltysik are not represented.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

if there isn't a good choice on your ballot you can always walk into the booth and then walk back out without voting for president and then post about it in the hillary thread

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Homework Explainer posted:

shook, loving shoooook, these nimrods are shooker than hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXYNRdis-4k

*calls for public education to be cut and stripped to the bare bones for decades*

*complains when public schools do not successfully indoctrinate children to your chosen ideology or teach them about history*

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
As a proud fascist, I'm voting Hillary myself, but I got one of my friends to vote for GLR instead of Jill Stein. You're welcome, you filthy reds.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

As a proud fascist, I'm voting Hillary myself, but I got one of my friends to vote for GLR instead of Jill Stein. You're welcome, you filthy reds.

tanks

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

As a proud fascist, I'm voting Hillary myself, but I got one of my friends to vote for GLR instead of Jill Stein. You're welcome, you filthy reds.

You're doing Stalin's work.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I saw Gloria la Riva's half hour interview on The Empire Files and it was extremely :unsmith:

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You're doing Stalin's work.

I may have led her to believe that voting for communists gets you a free pass out of the reeducation camps when the revolution comes, so don't make a liar of me, fellas.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

I may have led her to believe that voting for communists gets you a free pass out of the reeducation camps when the revolution comes, so don't make a liar of me, fellas.

That depends on the severity of your friend's class crimes. If she's on the scale of a British royal then nothing will save her from The Program.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...o-a7397191.html

Deimus
Aug 17, 2012

That's a gulagin'

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

:smugdon:

Karl Barks posted:

ya'll talking bout horseshit theory in here?????

I read it as this at first glance, I really wanted to learn

Homeless Friend fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Nov 7, 2016

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
guys (gals (nonbinaries)) which is the correct position towards voting for president:

0: dont vote because elections dont matter and voting only encourages them
1: vote for hillary because liberals have assured me that it would be the best of all possible empires
2: vote for trump because he is dumb and might weaken the empire
3: vote for trump because it might instigate radical change
4: vote for trump because it would be funny
5: vote for a communist because it would be funny
6: vote for some other third party because it would be funny

i am tending towards #4 but am easily influenced; i am the undecided voter

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

#4 was a good choice until there became a real chance that Trump would win. So go with #1 but then spend all the time and money you can dragging her lovely stances into the light.

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



It's for real gonna be interesting to see how receptive people will be about criticism towards Hillary Clinton if she wins the election. Amongst leftists of many colors, she appears to be a bit of a hero merely for running against Donald Trump. Any indication that one might prefer a less lousy candidate seems to signal that one is a foolish die-hard "Bernie-or-Buster."

I guess haters will hate.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

deadgoon posted:

guys (gals (nonbinaries)) which is the correct position towards voting for president:

0: dont vote because elections dont matter and voting only encourages them
1: vote for hillary because liberals have assured me that it would be the best of all possible empires
2: vote for trump because he is dumb and might weaken the empire
3: vote for trump because it might instigate radical change
4: vote for trump because it would be funny
5: vote for a communist because it would be funny
6: vote for some other third party because it would be funny

i am tending towards #4 but am easily influenced; i am the undecided voter

5

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

Yeah, 0 unless there's a local communist party/candidate in which case 5. Not like voting for a communist party matters in a presidential election, you'd do magnitudes more just organizing or volunteering for them on the ground.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

100 degrees Calcium posted:

It's for real gonna be interesting to see how receptive people will be about criticism towards Hillary Clinton if she wins the election. Amongst leftists of many colors, she appears to be a bit of a hero merely for running against Donald Trump. Any indication that one might prefer a less lousy candidate seems to signal that one is a foolish die-hard "Bernie-or-Buster."

I guess haters will hate.

Have you noticed how liberals now accept uncritically the precepts of a Global War on Terror because it's being run by Obama? It's kind of like that.

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Have you noticed how liberals now accept uncritically the precepts of a Global War on Terror because it's being run by Obama? It's kind of like that.

relatively few liberal opposed the 'war on terror' as a military operations against al qaeda. it was the war in iraq which was the main issue

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


You really ought to vote for local candidates if the results aren't a foregone conclusion.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

you should only vote if you already got stoned and can't think of something better to do

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

write in full communism now

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice
cant wait till hillary institutes Final Capitalism and outlaws marx forever

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Condiv posted:

anyone voted for gloria la riva?

I wrote her in :patriot: 🇨🇳🇱🇷

I'm writing her in tomorrow

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You should read the article "Four Futures" from Jacobin, and maybe also read the follow up book which expands on it that I've been reading in bits an pieces when I'm not playing Civ VI.

One potential manifestation of post-capitalism is Rentism, where the old hierarchies of property entitlements are exploited to charge rent for access to abundance. In this case it would be the people who own the robots which maintain their own personal security & wealth, while everyone else is in thrall to them through the rentier system. People in the lower classes of society would be constantly indebted to the rentiers, and while "grunt work" can be eliminated there's no shortage of social and analytical work which can be created.

I haven't seen any of Westworld, but I remember watching the movie on tv once when I was a kid (loved it btw). IIRC the movie was exclusively set within the theme parks, and there's no portrayal of the outside world and what it looks like. As far as we know, the world could be filled with a massive redundant underclass which lives off the scraps of the propertied classes & their servant labor.

It'd be nice to think that if robotization eliminated the need for physical labor, it would mean abundance for the whole of society. But you shouldn't underestimate the ability of the powerful to manipulate opinions and manage the acceptable bounds of politics. If the masses are convinced that property rights are just within a liberal framework, you could easily see the formation of rentism.

Alright book but it's sort of sketchy in some points. The exterminism section was really interesting to me, along with noting how the rich might get to a Full Communism utopia as everyone else is dying from environmental catastrophes in a sort of global parallel to European contact with the Americas. I hate his example of productive human interaction with nature being robot bees, which is literally the dumbest poo poo. Keeping bees alive is easier than reinventing them from scratch.

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice
gloria la riva is currently losing the election to a man who is not even running abd in a dead heat with an RT News pundit and a dead gorilla

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Constant Hamprince posted:

relatively few liberal opposed the 'war on terror' as a military operations against al qaeda. it was the war in iraq which was the main issue

Al Qaeda is our ally now, get with the program.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Constant Hamprince posted:

gloria la riva is currently losing the election to a man who is not even running abd in a dead heat with an RT News pundit and a dead gorilla

makes u think

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Al Qaeda is our ally now, get with the program.

My favorite part of the Obama administration

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

That depends on the severity of your friend's class crimes. If she's on the scale of a British royal then nothing will save her from The Program.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...o-a7397191.html

Jesus Christ. That's got to be a world record for Furthest Distance Travelled Up Own Arsehole.

she isn't royalty though

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
okay comrades i voted on some local issues&races and also wrote in moorehead/lilly for potus/vp

this may be a battleground state but the real battle will be, in the streets

(how do i find the battle in the streets, as far as i can tell there are zero socialist organizations around here)

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown
hi comrades, your checked-out op here, just wanted to say i voted for peace and freedom for president

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 7, 2010

by R. Guyovich
I feel like war and slavery get an unfair rap.

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Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Mayor Dave posted:

hi comrades, your checked-out op here, just wanted to say i voted for peace and freedom for president

welcome back fam

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