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FourLeaf posted:The liberal focus on loving stupid celebrity crap instead of real policies that affect people is why we are here today. I think it's more a result of the perceptions of global trade.
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Nate RFB posted:That really is insane. It's actually like 66M Obama 60M Clinton, but yeah it's still hosed up. FizFashizzle posted:I just can't get over all the poo poo that didn't stick. I've heard the argument that it was precisely because there was so much poo poo that none of it stuck. The journalists who were covering Trump only had a couple of days at best before a new horrible thing happened, and I guess it's understandable you want to cover the new one. But by switching so frequently, none of the stories had time to really sink in as "holy poo poo this is actually really bad". You'd hear "Trump bragged about sexually assaulting someone," think it was probably a trumped up political attack more than anything, and then feel vindicated when the media stopped talking about it a few days later. Meanwhile the email story was really the only negative story on Clinton's side for months, and the nature of the issue meant there was a slow dribble of new content ("FBI investigation announced" "new emails found" "FBI investigation coming to a close" etc.), so it got completely drilled into people's heads. In the end a lot of people thought Clinton had this big horrible scandal that would probably have put someone less corrupt in jail, and Trump was sort of a big dumb rear end in a top hat, neither of which is really a fully accurate reflection of reality. Bushiz posted:Barack Obama was essentially an epinephrine shot into the democratic party that deluded the DNC into thinking that it was their policies, not Obama's once-in-a-lifetime charisma that people fell in love with. It wasn't sustainable. People do actually support the policies in the Democratic party platform by large margins. But a lot of people vote for personality over policy (or wedge issues?), and a lot of people don't actually know who supports which policy past the big stuff like "build the wall" (or don't trust them to enact those policies, as I think the case mostly was here for Clinton with democratic white WI/MI/PA/OH/IA voters).
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Squashing Machine posted:Sorry to quote from a while back, but this is on point. Bernie was the only reason a large number of young left-wing voters got involved in the election in the first place, and it's frankly a shameful kind of scapegoating to try to lay this thing at his feet. The party railroaded in an establishment politician and managed to screw up the biggest electoral slam dunk in recent history, full stop. Yeah no one should be blaming his voters or him for anything. The Democratic party caught lighting in a bottle twice and many, including me, though it was just a firefly.
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Yah and who the gently caress do you think the DNC is at the local/state level? Did you go join up and volunteer dozens of hours ? Did anyone in younger <40 age groups get politically involved? No, not at all, not since 2008. Not in a level needed. No one gave a gently caress so why would anything change. And the you in these sentences is a generic plural you, not pointed at anyone particular.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:00
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I'm seeing a lot of scared people worrying that the ACA and other progressive achievements will be wiped out in the next 4 years. My question: can't the democrats filibuster that type of legislation?
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:This is genuinely what white people in the country think about PoC. You only think about race, you have this one-dimensional mind. Now ye shall reap what ye have sown This is a reckoning. Trump would not have won without your incredible support for him, which you created through antagonization. Everyone will love each other, one day. But that day is not today. Thanks to you. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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double nine posted:I'm seeing a lot of scared people worrying that the ACA and other progressive achievements will be wiped out in the next 4 years. My question: can't the democrats filibuster that type of legislation? Senate Republicans can eliminate the filibuster on day 1 of the new congress if they want to.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:00
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:ah yes, as opposed to the Republican focus on policies such as "I hate Obama, also Mexicans. Make America great again" "As opposed to"? No they go together. While Dems were doing Fight Song celebrity cameos and making Donald Drumpf hats Trump was saying "the horrible poo poo you're going through is the fault of minorities." Even though he's dead wrong about the cause he was the only one addressing the voter's actual concerns and offering a "solution"
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Nov 9, 2016 18:00
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rudatron posted:It's what i think about you, dipshit. Anyone who feels antagonized by the message "bigotry is bad" is not going to vote Democrat any time soon.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:00
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tsa posted:Lol. Yeah, the media gave a lot of unnecessary airtime to Trump but at the end of the day it's hard to say "this is the mainstream media's fault" when at the end of the day they came out with a unified message of Trump is Bad, do not vote for him.
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Pakled posted:Senate Republicans will eliminate the filibuster on day 1 of the new congress. Fixed Pakled posted:Anyone who feels antagonized by the message "bigotry is bad" is not going to vote Democrat any time soon. White fragility is a real thing and believe it or not it affects for more liberals than conservatives.
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double nine posted:I'm seeing a lot of scared people worrying that the ACA and other progressive achievements will be wiped out in the next 4 years. My question: can't the democrats filibuster that type of legislation? Republicans aren't going to bicker and in fight like Dems do once they seize power.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:02
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Xarn posted:This is me being major dick, but as much as I fear the upcoming Trump presidency, I massively enjoy the shadenfreude I am getting right now, from posters who posted in USPol saying that the American system is better than the various european ones, because thanks to the power of winner takes all, the cheeto won't get any power... Yeah if there's one lesson I'm taking from this it's that when USPol tells you something is a sure thing, don't listen. Don't listen to polls. Don't listen to pundits. Just vote and always assume that the worst case scenario is a coin flip away.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:02
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Lightning Knight posted:The problem is that you're forgetting why American labor failed in the first place. You must have missed the election campaigns, people who ended up voting Trump were overwhelmingly convinced that Clinton's presidency would be awful for them, with her selling them out to her wealthy friends and to assertive foreign leaders. They believed she would take away from them the little they got, and lol if you think people in that mind set will even consider some idealistic ramifications of their vote.
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wah, white people are so persecuted now, you don't focus on us anymore, no I don't care your platform would be amazing for me too, you're not sucking my dick while you say it."
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FourLeaf posted:Doubt it. There's almost certainly going to be another recession within the next four years and the party in power is the one that tends to get blamed. Who do the Dems have to put forward that the GOP can't argue is Hillary's protege? They've got nobody.
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Yeah, the media gave a lot of unnecessary airtime to Trump but at the end of the day it's hard to say "this is the mainstream media's fault" when at the end of the day they came out with a unified message of Trump is Bad, do not vote for him. Did they though?
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Nov 9, 2016 18:03
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double nine posted:I'm seeing a lot of scared people worrying that the ACA and other progressive achievements will be wiped out in the next 4 years. My question: can't the democrats filibuster that type of legislation? Not if the GOP nuke the filibuster. Which is something neither side was willing to do, but what's loving stopping them?
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This might have been covered already but I don't really care, but last night and this morning there were some goons in really bad places who were contemplating suicide. I don't know if they've checked in here or not but if we know they're still with us please let us, someone, anyone know you're okay, because none of us want you to go.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:03
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Pakled posted:Anyone who feels antagonized by the message "bigotry is bad" is not going to vote Democrat any time soon. Martha Stewart Undying posted:American has a white people problem. What can we do to fix it?
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Nov 9, 2016 18:02
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Mister Macys posted:Who do the Dems have to put forward that the GOP can't argue is Hillary's protege? They've got nobody. The Castro brothers
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RuanGacho posted:I think it's more a result of the perceptions of global trade. i think it can be both
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rudatron posted:maybe people got antagonized by poo poo like this Well, it's been proven to be unequivocally true so
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Nov 9, 2016 18:04
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steinrokkan posted:You must have missed the election campaigns, people who ended up voting Trump were overwhelmingly convinced that Clinton's presidency would be awful for them, with her selling them out to her wealthy friends and to assertive foreign leaders. They believed she would take away from them the little they got, and lol if you think people in that mind set will even consider some idealistic ramifications of their vote. I mean what do you want? Shall we do some America First anti-immigrant, anti-free trade garbage? Everything these people want is toxic. This country is hosed because the electorate are literally stupid children.
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Pakled posted:Anyone who feels antagonized by the message "bigotry is bad" is not going to vote Democrat any time soon. People are antagonized by the message "You are bigoted, because I say so, and I'm smarter than you. Also I'm not going to listen to what you are going to say in response, so don't even bother."
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Mister Macys posted:Who do the Dems have to put forward that the GOP can't argue is Hillary's protege? They've got nobody. I think their plan was to get Hillary elected then hope another Obama (Booker?) surfaces by 2024. Now they really have nobody since the DNC is rightfully done and anyone tied to Clinton can't be counted on to win. They needed to start grooming new blood yesterday but nope.
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Mister Macys posted:Who do the Dems have to put forward that the GOP can't argue is Hillary's protege? They've got nobody. Only another celebrity could beat a reality tv star. Kanye 2020 looking much more likely now.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:Well, it's been proven to be unequivocally true so True or not, people's feelings and especially negative ones are amazing motivators.
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean what do you want? Shall we do some America First anti-immigrant, anti-free trade garbage? I want a candidate who can explain why those positions are ineffective, and who can also precisely name and describe the issues paining people in terms that resonate with them, while rhetorically leading into a progressive policy solution (that's what Sanders was doing). A candidate who can't communicate is worse than useless, and Clinton is a terrible communicator. If the electorate is stupid, it's because so are their leaders. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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rudatron posted:It's what i think about you, dipshit. this is really an impressively vile thing to say
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H.P. Grenade posted:This might have been covered already but I don't really care, but last night and this morning there were some goons in really bad places who were contemplating suicide. I don't know if they've checked in here or not but if we know they're still with us please let us, someone, anyone know you're okay, because none of us want you to go. Yeah that was the worst part of that thread actually. I'm hoping they are ok.
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean what do you want? Shall we do some America First anti-immigrant, anti-free trade garbage? Try empathy, it might get votes. People ultimately subscribe to the heirarchy of needs and when thats not met they start to lash out. Exactly how depends.
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Carlosologist posted:I'm proud of my generation for resoundingly voting for Clinton over Trump. the dream won't die so long as 18-30 continue to move to the left. The DNC needs to restructure itself and make our voices the primary voices, along with those Rust Belt voters that made up the firewall. will that happen without a charismatic face to the party? I don't know, but surely some good will come out of a Trump presidency in that his successor will be more representative of the marginalized similar to Obama. am I being overly optimistic? yeah, but gently caress if there's anything else to do other than organize and hope for the best clinton's platform was the longest suicide note in history
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rudatron posted:It's what i think about you, dipshit. Yeah, I'm sorry being black causes you white people so much antagonization. 
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:Well, it's been proven to be unequivocally true so
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rudatron posted:It's what i think about you, dipshit. yes it is all the fault of victiums of racism that people are racist you stupid son of a bitch
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steinrokkan posted:People are antagonized by the message "You are bigoted, because I say so, and I'm smarter than you. Also I'm not going to listen to what you are going to say in response, so don't even bother." Unless, of course, a leftist says it. In which case you should accept it as the gospel truth.
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Glazier posted:The Castro brothers julian castro is on the cabinet thanks to a nod from hillary.
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steinrokkan posted:People are antagonized by the message "You are bigoted, because I say so, and I'm smarter than you. Also I'm not going to listen to what you are going to say in response, so don't even bother." It's more like, "You can't hang an effigy of the president from your lawn, that's racist." And then that person goes beet red and starts yelling about their rights.
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H.P. Grenade posted:This might have been covered already but I don't really care, but last night and this morning there were some goons in really bad places who were contemplating suicide. I don't know if they've checked in here or not but if we know they're still with us please let us, someone, anyone know you're okay, because none of us want you to go. Was thinking about this, this morning, and hope everyone is ok.
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