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Sound
Oct 18, 2004


SSNeoman posted:

Looking at Florida, I can confirm that third-party voters are, in fact, a loving cancer.

lol yea that's totally it it certainly wasn't the candidate

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spotlessd
Sep 8, 2016

by merry exmarx

quote:

I think if you ask people who are actually affected by these social victories, they will tell you they mean a lot to them. And in the broader culture war, which the left is winning, it is important. I really cannot comprehend how you loving accelerationists don't appreciate the strides we've taken. How can you just be willing to burn all this progress and be proud about it?

Polygynous
Dec 13, 2006
welp
"See guys, I told you voting for Hillary wouldn't matter!"

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

SSNeoman posted:

Looking at Florida, I can confirm that third-party voters are, in fact, a loving cancer.

Don't forget to pat yourself on the back for fighting the good fight by ensuring anyone who came into the thread with a question was screamed at for being a misogynist. Seems to have really paid off for progressives everywhere.

DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

:siren:This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!:siren:

Put this loser on ignore immediately!
Hey sup everyone, just wanted to interrupt your powerless bitching to remind you that in many swing states (such as Florida) Johnson's share of the vote was larger than the gap between Trump and Clinton. So I guess the moral of the story for Dems is try to appeal to more libertarians like me in the future. I mean, where has your super reliable big government coalition gotten you? And more importantly, those types are a captive audience for you. They'll never vote red no matter what.

Anyway that's what I had on my mind. Toodles!

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


I am genuinely shocked you all can remain so insufferably smug about this.


Mods, do me a favor. when my toxx kicks in, can I take this guy down with me?

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

SSNeoman posted:

I am genuinely shocked you all can remain so insufferably smug about this.

Honestly you're probably not as shocked as I was when I was accused of being a misogynist for not thinking Hillary was a leftist.

quote:

when my toxx kicks in,

:byewhore:

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost
Thanks guys!

Now for the part where y'all try to explain that your votes didn't matter and you can't be blamed for this.

NewForumSoftware
Oct 8, 2016

by Lowtax

Somfin posted:

Thanks guys!

Now for the part where y'all try to explain that your votes didn't matter and you can't be blamed for this.

You can actually safely blame the democrats for the democrats losing.

DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

:siren:This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!:siren:

Put this loser on ignore immediately!

Somfin posted:

Thanks guys!

Now for the part where y'all try to explain that your votes didn't matter and you can't be blamed for this.

Sure, here's my explanation:

I didn't like Hillary so I didn't vote for her. I didn't like Trump so I didn't vote for him. Ain't nobody entitled to my vote. Don't want more Trumps in the future? Get that 3% of the libertarian vote for yourself in an election that hinges on a 2% difference in major swing states. Crying about it won't help you. yw

Lasagna Pilot
Feb 6, 2009

No, you're dark-side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. Unfortunately, the home office hasn't been quite upfront with you.

SSNeoman posted:

It is a problem with the political machine, but you're not changing it with your single vote. Until you get 10-15% of the vote, nobody cares or wants to treat third-party as anything more than an outlier. "You are statistically insignificant so politicians don't care and won't care." Blame yourself or god.

Third party got about 10% of young voters, and about 18% of all voters said they didn't like either candidate.

I wonder what the numbers would be if we had ranked voting.

J Corp
Oct 16, 2006

I risked hypothermia and broken limbs and all I got was this shitty avatar and a severe case of shrinkage

Somfin posted:

Thanks guys!

Now for the part where y'all try to explain that your votes didn't matter and you can't be blamed for this.

Being called a misogynist for opposing using drones to murder people in the middle east sure helped your cause.

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
It turns out the super secret best way to waste your vote isn't to vote third party, it's to stay home and not vote at all.I bet there are a lot of people waking up this morning and wishing they'd given more of a poo poo.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

J Corp posted:

Being called a misogynist for opposing using drones to murder people in the middle east sure helped your cause.

And now we have a president that will continue to do that and intentionally torture innocent civilians on top of it.

Great job, dipshit. I hope your principals were worth it.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

Game theory isn't even hard to learn

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
I hope you shitlickers are happy about your vote for Orange Hitler!

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

Lipstick Apathy

Main Paineframe posted:

I hope you shitlickers are happy about your vote for Orange Hitler!

Do you loving idiots not realize that this poo poo is what lost you the vote in the first place, and continuing to act like whiny babies will only push people further away?

Polygynous
Dec 13, 2006
welp
Yes, the greatest crime, insulting white people.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

big mean giraffe posted:

Do you loving idiots not realize that this poo poo is what lost you the vote in the first place, and continuing to act like whiny babies will only push people further away?

Oh man imagine driving off the thin skinned babies on Something Awful dot com bloc.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

big mean giraffe posted:

Do you loving idiots not realize that this poo poo is what lost you the vote in the first place, and continuing to act like whiny babies will only push people further away?

If you're such a thin-skinned little bitch that you allowed this to happen because we didn't coddle you and treat you as if you pissed rose water and poo poo gold bricks then it doesn't matter what we did. Nothing would have been good enough for self-centered sacks of a poo poo like you.

So gently caress off with this horseshit.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

big mean giraffe posted:

Do you loving idiots not realize that this poo poo is what lost you the vote in the first place, and continuing to act like whiny babies will only push people further away?

So you thought it was fine to make a proxy vote for Trump because you thought Hillary voters were arrogant, and that's more important to you than minorities having rights? Face it - you thought Trump was okay enough that you were willing to risk him being in the White House. Own it. Don't give us this stupid "it's Hillary's fault for not being good enough :jerkbag: " poo poo. You thought the risk of Trump was an acceptable one. It's not Hillary's fault you didn't care enough to vote against someone who's proclaimed his intention to deport two entire minority groups en masse and has been caught on tape bragging about sexual assault.

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Main Paineframe posted:

So you thought it was fine to make a proxy vote for Trump because you thought Hillary voters were arrogant, and that's more important to you than minorities having rights? Face it - you thought Trump was okay enough that you were willing to risk him being in the White House. Own it. Don't give us this stupid "it's Hillary's fault for not being good enough :jerkbag: " poo poo. You thought the risk of Trump was an acceptable one. It's not Hillary's fault you didn't care enough to vote against someone who's proclaimed his intention to deport two entire minority groups en masse and has been caught on tape bragging about sexual assault.
I don't know about that person, but Clinton crushed my state by 20 points, I wasn't risking anything.

vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

twodot posted:

I don't know about that person, but Clinton crushed my state by 20 points, I wasn't risking anything.

Imagine a world where she wins the popular vote by 1 million plus votes instead of a tiny margin

Good on ya ya fuckin maroons

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

vintagepurple posted:

Imagine a world where she wins the popular vote by 1 million plus votes instead of a tiny margin

Good on ya ya fuckin maroons
If Clinton picked up a million more votes in Washington, then Trump would still be President and the only difference would be that a million more voters would be whining on Facebook. I seriously don't get this post.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Sound posted:

lol yea that's totally it it certainly wasn't the candidate

Looking at Florida, I can confirm that third party voters didn't matter at all. Jill Stein's 60k votes would not have made any difference, and Gary Johnson voters are Republicans who under no circumstances would have voted for Clinton.

Edit

Of course, the electoral college is completely loving broken. This is the second time in the last 16 years that a person who did not receive the popular vote was elected president.

The United States has a boat anchor around it's neck, and it's called the Constitution. It turns out that our "beacon of light" constitution written to govern an low population agrarian society 250 years ago doesn't work at all.

I've been preaching this for the last 20 years, but I suspect we are closer today to actual dissolution of the union than we have ever been in the history of the United States--and yes that includes 1860 through 1865. Today you have real, important, mainstream people in the state of California pledging their fortunes to advocate and secure a separation of California from the US. That doesn't it mean it will happen tomorrow, or in 10 years, but think about what this actually means.

ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Nov 9, 2016

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Rich people in Texas have said the same stuff though, it hasn't amounted to much.

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

Lipstick Apathy

Main Paineframe posted:

So you thought it was fine to make a proxy vote for Trump because you thought Hillary voters were arrogant, and that's more important to you than minorities having rights? Face it - you thought Trump was okay enough that you were willing to risk him being in the White House. Own it. Don't give us this stupid "it's Hillary's fault for not being good enough :jerkbag: " poo poo. You thought the risk of Trump was an acceptable one. It's not Hillary's fault you didn't care enough to vote against someone who's proclaimed his intention to deport two entire minority groups en masse and has been caught on tape bragging about sexual assault.

This is a sad wall of assumptive text. Hillary took my state. You can insult, or bitch and whine like this all you want, all it does is make you look like sore losers and pathetic failures. You're literally pushing people away from the party with your ridiculous, childish behavior. You are part of the problem.

Bip Roberts posted:

Oh man imagine driving off the thin skinned babies on Something Awful dot com bloc.

LOL more like the "thin skin" of the american general public who didn't vote for Hillary. How can you idiots be so dense?

It's hilarious watching you idiots flail and try to find any reason to lash out or justify your angry, bitter actions.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

big mean giraffe posted:

This is a sad wall of assumptive text. Hillary took my state. You can insult, or bitch and whine like this all you want, all it does is make you look like sore losers and pathetic failures. You're literally pushing people away from the party with your ridiculous, childish behavior. You are part of the problem.


LOL more like the "thin skin" of the american general public who didn't vote for Hillary. How can you idiots be so dense?

It's hilarious watching you idiots flail and try to find any reason to lash out or justify your angry, bitter actions.

What does it matter if we push away dipshits who have fully admitted that they will never join us under any circumstances? Why the gently caress should we do anything but heap scorn and mockery upon you? If the only thing idiots like you will ever be good for is to be a rhetorical punching bag then there's no reason not to use you as such.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

big mean giraffe posted:

This is a sad wall of assumptive text. Hillary took my state. You can insult, or bitch and whine like this all you want, all it does is make you look like sore losers and pathetic failures. You're literally pushing people away from the party with your ridiculous, childish behavior. You are part of the problem.

Stop making excuses. Even if this were really the reason, as opposed to some bullshit you cooked up to justify your choice, it would still mean that you essentially voted for a racist because you thought Hillary wasn't nice enough to white people.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Who What Now posted:

And now we have a president that will continue to do that and intentionally torture innocent civilians on top of it.
I think the point is, that if the best argument you can muster in defense against criticism of a candidate is that the accuser is just motivated by sexism, then you're going to have a real hard time actually selling that candidate. I mean, that's basically dismissing their concerns entirely, making it clear that you're not actually ideologically aligned. Like, claiming criticism of her connection to Wall Street is some special sexist criticism, when it's like one the first criticism any socialist (from hardcore commie to social democrat) would make against liberals in general is that they're ideologically aligned with capital.

That said, it's not like people haven't been making better arguments, even if in some cases mostly in the "lesser of two evils" sense. Which is fair enough, Hillary could hardly be anything else for a leftist.

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

Lipstick Apathy

Main Paineframe posted:

Stop making excuses. Even if this were really the reason, as opposed to some bullshit you cooked up to justify your choice, it would still mean that you essentially voted for a racist because you thought Hillary wasn't nice enough to white people.

Again, the reaching and stretching is hilarious to watch. I didn't vote for Trump, BTW. I never even said any of this applied to me. But it does apply to a LOT of Americans, and it's hilarious to watch you morons dig yourself deeper

Lord Waffle Beard
Dec 7, 2013
Throwing away your vote is voting for the lesser of two evils, suck it crybabies

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Main Paineframe posted:

Stop making excuses. Even if this were really the reason, as opposed to some bullshit you cooked up to justify your choice, it would still mean that you essentially voted for a racist because you thought Hillary wasn't nice enough to white people.

I voted for Hillary, but dumb shits like you are probably the reason a ton didn't (and probably why a ton of people who would have stayed home for Hillary vs. Jeb showed up to vote for Trump)

Chard
Aug 24, 2010




DeusExMachinima posted:

Sure, here's my explanation:

I didn't like Hillary so I didn't vote for her. I didn't like Trump so I didn't vote for him. Ain't nobody entitled to my vote. Don't want more Trumps in the future? Get that 3% of the libertarian vote for yourself in an election that hinges on a 2% difference in major swing states. Crying about it won't help you. yw

Thanks for helping gently caress over millions of people, you self-congratulating toad.

Lord Waffle Beard
Dec 7, 2013
Youre a dumbshit if you voted for hillary, or trump

J Corp
Oct 16, 2006

I risked hypothermia and broken limbs and all I got was this shitty avatar and a severe case of shrinkage

Main Paineframe posted:

So you thought it was fine to make a proxy vote for Trump because you thought Hillary voters were arrogant, and that's more important to you than minorities having rights? Face it - you thought Trump was okay enough that you were willing to risk him being in the White House. Own it. Don't give us this stupid "it's Hillary's fault for not being good enough :jerkbag: " poo poo. You thought the risk of Trump was an acceptable one. It's not Hillary's fault you didn't care enough to vote against someone who's proclaimed his intention to deport two entire minority groups en masse and has been caught on tape bragging about sexual assault.

"It's YOUR fault we ran a bad candidate"

Caeks
Dec 27, 2009

The Shortest Path posted:

Voting for a third party (or write in) candidate is throwing your vote away because there is a zero percent chance of that candidate winning the election and also a zero percent chance that either actual political party will care about your missing vote, so your vote affected literally nothing except making you feel slightly better about your own dumb values.

This.

It's idealistic and not realistic, and unfortunately due to mouth breathing idealism we are forced to deal with the VERY realistic 4 years of a conservative, anti-progressive White House. Thank god you were able to hold on to your morals as we nominate a Supreme Court justice who will determine policy for a century!

I can't stand Clinton, but at least we'd retain much of the progress we started. It's now time to reverse all that.

But thank god you voted for that third party candidate we'll remember years from now, or thank god you didn't vote because the system was rigged and Hilary was going to win regardless!

Lord Waffle Beard
Dec 7, 2013

Runefaust posted:

This.

It's idealistic and not realistic, and unfortunately due to mouth breathing idealism we are forced to deal with the VERY realistic 4 years of a conservative, anti-progressive White House. Thank god you were able to hold on to your morals as we nominate a Supreme Court justice who will determine policy for a century!

I can't stand Clinton, but at least we'd retain much of the progress we started. It's now time to reverse all that.

But thank god you voted for that third party candidate we'll remember years from now, or thank god you didn't vote because the system was rigged and Hilary was going to win regardless!

lmao

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

J Corp posted:

"It's YOUR fault we ran a bad candidate"

If you think that she was legitimately worse than Trump then you are literally too stupid to be capable of understanding any argument explaining why you're objectively wrong. If you don't think that and still didn't vote for her over Trump then the same applies.

People incapable of understanding reason cannot be reasoned with.

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Jul 18, 2004
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