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nurabsal posted:Do you sincerely believe that a plurality of Trump supporters are WHITE NATIONALISTS? Well, yes? I find it extremely easy to believe ~10% of America's population holds white nationalist beliefs, even if they wouldn't call them that (though many would). Remember that less than 60 million people voted for Trump, in a country with well over 300 million citizens.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Why are you guys making GBS threads on Warren's statement? It's absolutely the correct thing to say and on the chance that he wants to pursue some good policies like, say, non-wall infrastructure spending, she should be willing to work with him. Yes. Democrats frankly have no option but to take the high road here. The party is in shambles and will wipe out what little remains of its chances to fix anything if they try to be obstructionist. We all just imagined there was a democratic coalition, and now it's dissolving into infighting and purity battles without homophobia, racism, and misogyny to hold it together like the GOP had.
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PKJC posted:This, worry if it turns out she's serious and not saying the politically expedient thing in the wake of election results that came as a surprise to so many, including those in the winning campaign. Yeah it's not like she'll be able to filibuster anyways. 
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Nov 9, 2016 21:56
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nurabsal posted:Nah, I can agree with that point. The best example being Cuban-Americans who perceive themselves as White Hispanics. Its fair. Ever wonder why they put the white in front of hispanic? Which in America, do you think is more valuable to them? Trabisnikof posted:Why not exactly? We have the Klan rallying already, the Trump effect is widely documented in schools and now the federal government, the last vestige of protection against voting discrimination and racial discrimination by law enforcement left in red states, now they're in the pocket of the "put the white in the White House" people? Funny how the right wing berated Obama about him saying "islamic terrorists", but white and white passing people are hemming and hawing about saying "white nationalism", even though this country literally fought a war over it. Amazing.
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Add "national parks and the natural beauty of the country" to the list of poo poo white people voted to destroy.
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Pollyanna posted:I'm worried about Pence. He has the power to undo all the LGBT and women's rights advances made in the past few years, and nothing can stop him from it. I'm scared that we'll go back to the 80s and hate crimes will rise. Someone please tell me I'm wrong. As long as Ginsberg is on the bench we have a firewall against the very worst - the five justices that gave us mandatory gay marriage are still there.
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Lightning Knight posted:Add "national parks and the natural beauty of the country" to the list of poo poo white people voted to destroy. Make old faithful the 18th hole.
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Nov 9, 2016 21:57
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GreyjoyBastard posted:As long as Ginsberg is on the bench we have a firewall against the very worst - the five justices that gave us mandatory gay marriage are still there. Do you believe she's gonna make it eight more years? I want to believe.
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Nov 9, 2016 21:58
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Torpor posted:The weird assumption that the demographic change to minority majority will change anything in and of itself is a bit strange. I am pretty sure it will just slightly change the power dynamics and tribalism a bit. Yeah, I think its a little like thinking that persecuted Irish Immigrants of the early 20th century would inevitably and forever identify as poor tenement dwellers and definitely find class solidarity with other struggling ethnic minorities instead of gradually improving their status as a minority group and becoming assimilated into the dominant culture.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:My money is on Duckworth running. I laughed. 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:As long as Ginsberg is on the bench we have a firewall against the very worst - the five justices that gave us mandatory gay marriage are still there. Lightning Knight posted:Depending on SC outcomes it'll be farther back than the '80s. Oh, god.
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The entire narrative of demographic change saving the country was false. Jesus Christ I was right they're just going to let Hispanic people be white and rule forever oh god everything is so hosed.
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Nov 9, 2016 21:58
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Plan Z posted:The right-wing media grooms its supporters and has been doing it since Gingrich's years, to create a right-leaning identity that makes these people believe that problems aren't all that complicated. This gives such people more of a feeling of agency and understanding. Terrorism can be fought if we just say the word "Muslim" and target certain people. The economy can be fixed by cutting taxes to give people more money to spend. Crime can be fixed if we go out and buy more guns. Simple problems, simple solutions, and anyone who tries to make it more complicated by talking about underlying issues of culture, economics, or other factors is just waffling or being politically correct or something. I have a neighbor who genuinely believes he is personally more capable of defeating ISIL than the president or his generals, despite getting discharged from the army for drunkenly crashing two Humvees in 2004.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:00
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In honor of today's anniversary, let me be the first to say: It begins.
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Lightning Knight posted:The entire narrative of demographic change saving the country was false. You do realize Hispanic is a term invented solely by the United States and that most "Hispanics" are either Whites/Mestizo/Native?
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Interesting points, everyone. I'm good for now.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:01
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Lightning Knight posted:Do you believe she's gonna make it eight more years? Eight is more than I really like to ponder but hey, maybe 2020 will work out!
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Nov 9, 2016 22:01
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treu posted:You do realize Hispanic is a term invented solely by the United States and that most "Hispanics" are either Whites/Mestizo/Native? Yes rear end in a top hat I'm Hispanic. They're going to do for certain Hispanic groups what they did for Italians/Polish/German/Irish people, is what I meant. They'll drop officially discriminatory planks against Cubans and Nicaraguans, etc. and invite them to revel in the FYGMism.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:03
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Nov 9, 2016 22:04
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One problem with Duckworth is she was born in Thailand, not America. But one of her parents was an American citizen and if that's good enough for Ted Cruz to run for president it should be good enough for her.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:05
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Pollyanna posted:Is there nothing we can do to stop Pence? Pray for trump's health.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:05
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On Terra Firma posted:Pray for trump's health.  Trump is already on record saying he'd prefer to leave matters of Policy to Pence. He's just here for the ego trip of being POTUS, not the actual responsibility.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:05
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FactsAreUseless posted:Yes, but... what the hell do we do about it? I'm mostly concerned, as a journalist, because I'm beginning to suspect that reporting might be meaningless in the modern age. I started a thread to this effect a while back and everyone was like "yeah, it's probably hosed." I'm still pretty amazed at the considerable help Trump got from the media. First there was all the free air time, which I understand is Trump's big media trick. But they also let him get away with completely bogus statements constantly, from policy to direct quotes. Then consider that not even left leaning outlets pushed the fact he may doom the world on climate. If he is a man of his word, we might see a crackdown on the press, but that didn't seem to be a big deal to the media. Speaking of which, I wonder if he will release his tax returns lol.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:06
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Harry Joe posted:Bernie Sanders is unelectable, says the campaign that lost against a reality tv cheeto with a hairpiece. If Sanders couldn't get a majority of people to register/vote for him in the Democratic Primary, what makes you think he'd be so much better in the general? Repeat for every other Democratic candidate.
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Pollyanna posted:Is there nothing we can do to stop Pence? Bro. Bro. He's gonna make Sarah loving Palin the Secretary of the Interior. We are so hosed. If RBG or Kennedy dies you can kiss everything back to Brown v. Board goodbye.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Yes, but... what the hell do we do about it? I'm mostly concerned, as a journalist, because I'm beginning to suspect that reporting might be meaningless in the modern age. I started a thread to this effect a while back and everyone was like "yeah, it's probably hosed." You might even say that... Facts Are Useless. 
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I've been trying to process all this and struggling to not completely give up. I've been having minor but still concerning self-destructive thoughts or at the very least a level of negativity that has me periodically shutting down into a shell of a man. I am not as afraid as PoC, LGBTQ+ people, women, or any mixture thereof, nor do I really have any right to claim to be. As a matter of fact, I''m sick to death for those loved ones as much as anything else. But as I've noted in previous threads and as those who know me know, I do have a fair bit to lose here, and I face almost insurmountable institutional biases in my own right in some ways. The bottom line is, we will be on the right side of history. Progress has never been easy, and it's always been far too incremental. Racism, sexism, misogyny, ableism, and all those other horrible evils do have a hold on our society and we're reminded of them daily. But by God, I can't be sterilized against my will as a disabled man. I may be put in an institutional setting, but they're not sub-prison conditions like they used to be. By most metrics, most people support gay marriage. I'm sure some of the PoC will rake me over the coals for acting like this is something great, and they're fully within their rights to, especially since the election of someone like Trump shows the strength of the deplorables and just how deep hate runs. But guess what? Hillary MIGHT STILL WIN THE POPULAR VOTE. In the end, it's nothing more than symbolism as empty as we choose to make it. But the fact is, we are on the right side of history. It's just that it might take more time, struggle, and suffering than any of us thought to be able to get there. Donald Trump and his ilk would like us to believe that this is and will always be their America. That MAGA is more than the horrifically loud death rattle of a contingent of Americans who are tragically uninformed at absolute best and malignantly, stomach-churningly hateful at worst. Surely there's a mix of both. But no. I'm not giving up. I will not believe in an America where The Other in all its forms is systematically held down and abused. And so I will fight. I will work. I will believe. And someday, drat it, someday we will win. Stay strong my friends. Please.
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Lightning Knight posted:The entire narrative of demographic change saving the country was false. Pretty much, yeah. Get rid of the darker hispanics and get the white-passing ones to buy into colorism. I mean, the groundwork is already there.
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Lightning Knight posted:Bro. For those of you playing at home, this means the Bundys win. They will get to take our public land and and make it theirs, potentially for free. Same for mining companies, ranchers, loggers etc. It will be easiest to do to BLM land or National Forests. But easing development rules for mining etc on National Parks has always been a big goal.
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The lesson is the Democrats pretty much squandered Obama's eight years without raising up a successor. I don't know if the plan was Biden vs Hillary and that would be that then when Biden's son died he lost interest so it was just Hillary running unopposed, but Hillary had so much baggage they should have scrapped it once the Benghazi stuff wouldn't go away. Whoever said she never controlled the narrative was dead on. They really should have been getting some young talent ready but decided that whoever followed Obama would be fine riding his coattails forgetting 2000 entirely.Trabisnikof posted:For those of you playing at home, this means the Bundys win. They will get to take our public land and and make it theirs, potentially for free. Same for mining companies, ranchers, loggers etc. The media treating the Trump campaign as this wacky thing instead of the severe danger it was so outrageous it still makes me mad. I can't even watch tv anymore because I'll see some pundit acting like nothing is wrong. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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treu posted:This thread moves too fast. I'm right here from Michigan. Wait! What? Going from voting for Obama to voting for Trump? Awww shiiittt....do tell!!!
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Radish posted:The lesson is the Democrats pretty much squandered Obama's eight years without raising up a successor. I don't know if the plan was Biden vs Hillary and that would be that then when Biden's son died he lost interest so it was just Hillary running unopposed, but Hillary had so much baggage they should have scrapped it once the Benghazi stuff wouldn't go away. Whoever said she never controlled the narrative was dead on. They really should have been getting some young talent ready but decided that whoever followed Obama would be fine riding his coattails forgetting 2000 entirely. So what you're saying is the DNC should have more involved in rigging the primary?
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Gorelab posted:Honestly, I think the Democrats can win 2020 if they run someone charismatic. Trump lost the popular vote most likely, and I don't think having to actually govern will do him favors. Good news! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9x92nwGf_M
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Wait! What? Going from voting for Obama to voting for Trump? What do you even want to know? I went Kerry - Obama - Obama - Trump.
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Google Trends has some interesting people related to "2020" in the past 7 days (https://g.co/trends/z0hP2): Top over the last 7 days: kanye 2020 michelle obama 2020 kanye west 2020 will hillary run in 2020 elizabeth warren 2020 paul ryan 2020 elizabeth warren kanye west bernie sanders michelle obama bernie 2020 cory booker bernie sanders 2020 cory booker 2020 yeezy 2020 "Rising": can hillary run in 2020 will clinton run in 2020 will hillary run in 2020 kamala harris 2020 can hillary clinton run for president in 2020 re elect trump 2020 2020 democratic nominee potential democratic candidates 2020 michelle obama 2020 president who will run against trump in 2020 hillary clinton 2020 democratic candidates 2020 elizabeth warren 2020 trump cabinet next democratic nominee 2020 warren 2020 democrats 2020 cory booker 2020 michelle obama 2020 elizabeth warren michelle obama will bernie sanders run in 2020 cory booker who will run in 2020 bernie 2020
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negromancer posted:Pretty much, yeah. Get rid of the darker hispanics and get the white-passing ones to buy into colorism. I am the light skinned Hispanic. I'm already a white dude. This is why I said this would happen. Jesus Christ gently caress FYGMism among minority groups, it's so awful. My uncle is the model minority. Second generation Mexican who is a straight R voter and might as well be a regular suburban white dude. gently caress me man. Trabisnikof posted:For those of you playing at home, this means the Bundys win. They will get to take our public land and and make it theirs, potentially for free. Same for mining companies, ranchers, loggers etc. Also hunting in preserves. Massive acceleration of extinctions.
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I'm terrified and I do not know what to do. I am white, although my father is Jewish (and I was raised Jewish) and my surname (Klein) is arguably Jewish. I live in New York, the Bronx. I am straight, male, and I know I have these to be thankful for. I am terrified for my POC and LGBTQ friends. And, somewhat ashamedly, I am terrified for myself. I have clinical depression. I am on medicare currently for my health insurance. I need my brainmeds to avoid crippling panic attacks. I am afraid I will be unable to get them. I am afraid I will be targeted for some hate crime or something because I arguably have parenthesis around my surname. I'm scared. I'm scared like I have never been before. For myself, and for others. Should I be looking into getting to Canada, or even the UK, if I am able? Or do we think that at the very least, as a heterosexual more-or-less white New Yorker I can, at least for myself, survive this and can commence worrying about my friends instead.
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Lightning Knight posted:Bro. Actually, they'll roll it back to Tennessee vs. Scopes
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