uspol november: as it turns out they could not stump the trump

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TheShazbot: Feb 20, 2011

negromancer posted:

I want people who keep saying "they voted for Trump over economics" explain this:

http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/09/disturbing-acts-in-wellsville-at-canisius-college-follow-election-day/#link_time=1478728455

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/clout/400560361.html

Don't worry, I'll wait.

That's lovely, but Trump did a better job of selling his economic gains or "bringing jobs back" to get votes.

We both drat well know that manufacturing jobs or coal mining or forestry aren't coming back, but people are stupid.

And then you have the white supremacy shitbags who are also in the same "voting bloc".

They are distinct, but the Democrats did a terrible job of bringing in disenfranchised voters.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:13

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 13:11

Dead Cosmonaut: Nov 14, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Pollyanna posted:

I'm past the depression and bargaining stages, for now. I'm ready for action. What can we do to stave off Trump and Pence's lovely policies? Is there a battle plan anywhere?

become a democratic-socialist and get a bernie haircut

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:13

Pollyanna: Mar 5, 2005; Milk's on them.

JawKnee posted:

Could you go into more depth about how 'more charisma' would help? (I'll point out, ahead of time, that I am not an American)

You really need to ask this when Trump of all motherfuckers just won?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:13

Bulgogi Hoagie: Jun 1, 2012; We

negromancer posted:

I want people who keep saying "they voted for Trump over economics" explain this:

http://buffalonews.com/2016/11/09/disturbing-acts-in-wellsville-at-canisius-college-follow-election-day/#link_time=1478728455

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/clout/400560361.html

Don't worry, I'll wait.

Yeah, because not wanting to stay in a society that just gave the green light to police that black lives don't matter means "I can't hack it".

gently caress outta here with this bullshit.

His explanation was racist nonsense.

Do you expect me to google everything you said and sift through all the right wing garbage after you were rude to me or do you expect me to believe a poster who replied in a reasonable manner?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:13

negromancer: Aug 20, 2014; by FactsAreUseless

Quadrapellegiance posted:

That's lovely, but Trump did a better job of selling his economic gains or "bringing jobs back" to get votes.

We both drat well know that manufacturing jobs or coal mining or forestry aren't coming back, but people are stupid.

And then you have the white supremacy shitbags who are also in the same "voting bloc".

They are distinct, but the Democrats did a terrible job of bringing in disenfranchised voters.

Okay, then why did they vote in the same assholes downballot?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:13

Guy Goodbody: Aug 31, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

JawKnee posted:

Could you go into more depth about how 'more charisma' would help? (I'll point out, ahead of time, that I am not an American)

Is this a serious question? You don't understand how a charismatic candidate has a better chance than a uncharismatic candidate?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:13

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Pollyanna posted:

You really need to ask this when Trump of all motherfuckers just won?

Yes? I'd like to know how, specifically, a candidate should appeal to voters - on what platforms, with what promises, from what directions - rather than 'pump up your CHA so you can be Mussolini'

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:15

negromancer: Aug 20, 2014; by FactsAreUseless

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

Do you expect me to google everything you said and sift through all the right wing garbage after you were rude to me or do you expect me to believe a poster who replied in a reasonable manner?

You couldn't google what ECOWAS and Israel's Right of Return is?

So instead of taking the 3 minutes to do so, you believe some right wing racist bullshit instead and ran with that?

Holy gently caress I see why Trump won.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:15

Rexicon1: Oct 9, 2007; A Shameful Path Led You Here

A decent article if you feelin leftist af today.
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:16

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Guy Goodbody posted:

Is this a serious question? You don't understand how a charismatic candidate has a better chance than a uncharismatic candidate?

Yes - what does 'be Charismatic' mean in these circumstances - both Barrack Obama and Donald Trump were charismatic - both won a bunch of those rust-belt states, both came from entirely different angles - surely that isn't only showmanship? What were the parallels in the approach? Where's the common factor, on a more granular level?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:16

TheShazbot: Feb 20, 2011

JawKnee posted:

Could you go into more depth about how 'more charisma' would help? (I'll point out, ahead of time, that I am not an American)

People in America like candidates they can believe in and that have that gift. Being slick with words, and being charming gets you far. Especially in the rural South, and some of the Midwest.

Sometimes it's not really more about the issues, but more about "Which candidate do I better identify with?"

A charismatic reality TV billionaire or a career politician?

A difficult choice, but Hillary sure didn't have the same speaking power.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:16

PKJC: May 7, 2009

Captain Magic posted:

This attitude is not how adults solve problems in literally any situation.

Call us when the bigots grow into adults then.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:16

Guy Goodbody: Aug 31, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

negromancer posted:

You couldn't google what ECOWAS and Israel's Right of Return is?

So instead of taking the 3 minutes to do so, you believe some right wing racist bullshit instead and ran with that?

Holy gently caress I see why Trump won.

quote:

ECOAS (Earth COlony ASteroid) is a special task force established by the Earth Federation Forces in U.C. 0096. It was formed not long after the second Neo Zeon war. It was created as a clandestine group meant to do "wetwork", a.k.a. black-ops-type missions that are off the records. Because of its secretive and independent nature, ECOAS has its own command system that even Londo Bell has no authority over them directly. The task force first saw combat in Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn.

...I'm not sure what that has to do with the election

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:17

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

negromancer posted:

Okay, then why did they vote in the same assholes downballot?

Because they had (R) next to their names, I'd assume.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:16

RuanGacho: Jun 20, 2002; "You're gunna break it!"

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-helpful-answers-to-societys-most-uncomfortable-questions/

I'll let people decide if these are topical

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:17

TheShazbot: Feb 20, 2011

negromancer posted:

Okay, then why did they vote in the same assholes downballot?

Because people typically vote the party and are largely retarded.

Especially when it comes to incumbents.

As a D&D poster, you'd think you'd know that. You seem at least intelligent and eloquent with words.

Oh, and in the case of my state (Oregon) Republicans don't put a ton of effort into trying to win Democratic strongholds.

You'll find that to be the case in a lot of "swing" states due to gerrymandering, making voter density in various districts to be at least 60/40 if not stronger in some respects.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:19

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

JawKnee posted:

Could you go into more depth about how 'more charisma' would help? (I'll point out, ahead of time, that I am not an American)

Have you seen Hillary talk? Shes a geek rear end political wonk nerd. Shes incredibly smart, but also a giant dork. Sometimes shes endearingly awkward, but frequently its just kinda mechanical. Aside from her political baggage people just dont trust her because of her lackluster public speaking skills, and shes pretty uninspiring.

By contrast Barack Obama is one of the greatest orators of all time and has the ability to turn the charm up to 11 at the drop of a hat.

Even Trump has a certain style to him thats easy for idiots to understand and almost hypnotic for anyone else to listen to

The reason this is important is that voting in America is a goddamn pain in the rear end. We do it on a Tuesday, which is not a holiday, because ancient stupid agrarian/religious reasons. That means the single biggest hurdle in an election is motivating your voters to get off their rear end and get to a polling station. That takes more than just good policy, it takes persuasive skill and charisma. Hillary lost on turn out. People who said they were going to vote for her just never showed up to the polls. Some of that is because shes an uncharismatic awkward dork. Public speaking skills ultimately matter more than policy stances, because humans are real dumb and suggestible.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:20

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

And here is the official campaign document detailing Day One executive actions:

quote:

What follows is my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again. It is a contract between myself and the American voter � and begins with restoring honesty, accountability and change to Washington

Therefore, on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following six measures to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, DC:

* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;

* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);

* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;

* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;

* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;

* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.

On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:

* FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205

* SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership

* THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator

* FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately

* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.

* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward

* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure

Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:

* FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama

* SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States

* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities

* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back

* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

And the official Congress list:

quote:

Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:

Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act.

An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.

End The Offshoring Act.

Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.

American Energy & Infrastructure Act.

Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.

School Choice And Education Opportunity Act.

Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.

Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act.

Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.

Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act.

Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-side childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.

End Illegal Immigration Act

Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.

Restoring Community Safety Act.

Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.

Restoring National Security Act.

Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides Veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:21

Argas: Jan 13, 2008; SRW Fanatic

So, is Trump going to release his tax returns?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:22

twistedmentat: Nov 21, 2003; Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

It's probably in everyone's interest that Hillary retire from public life, because if she's out giving speeches and promoting causes, she can stay tied to any future democratic hopes. Clearly no dose of reality will ever dispel the idea that she was up to something with all those emails, that she did Ben Ghazi and the Clinton Foundation was funneling Soros money to ISIS.

The media gave him a fairly easy ride during the election, but the media loves to poo poo all over presidents, and combined with Trumps complete inability to filter himself or actually think before he speaks, we've got 4 years of gaffes to look forward to.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:21

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

twistedmentat posted:

The media gave him a fairly easy ride during the election, but the media loves to poo poo all over presidents, and combined with Trumps complete inability to filter himself or actually think before he speaks, we've got 4 years of gaffes to look forward to.

Man, the letters they send from prison are going to be cutting AF.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:23

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Every single member of McSweeny's is going to write some really brutal satire from inside a pit on the island of Guam.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:24

negromancer: Aug 20, 2014; by FactsAreUseless

Guy Goodbody posted:

...I'm not sure what that has to do with the election

Good job not being able to spell and missing an entire letter.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:24

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

Pollyanna posted:

I'm past the depression and bargaining stages, for now. I'm ready for action. What can we do to stave off Trump and Pence's lovely policies? Is there a battle plan anywhere?

you literally cannot because you waited too long and it is too late

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:24

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

negromancer posted:

You couldn't google what ECOWAS and Israel's Right of Return is?

So instead of taking the 3 minutes to do so, you believe some right wing racist bullshit instead and ran with that?

Holy gently caress I see why Trump won.

lol, you can't take three minutes to explain yourself and instead are a condescending jerk to people who asked, so they have no choice but to turn to the people who did take the time to answer them

WONDER WHY YOUR POLITICS SUCK?

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:25

Polygynous: Dec 13, 2006; welp

so hype for professional lobbyists running congress

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:24

Youth Decay: Aug 18, 2015

The biggest problem, honestly, was how drat difficult the Republicans have made voting. I stood outside for 2 hours on election day and I know many other people who had to wait in even longer lines. There just aren't enough polling places, especially in highly Democratic (read: poor, black, young) areas. That's not even counting the reduction in early voting and the proliferation of photo ID laws. With a more equitable voting system we'd see a bluer country even given a lovely candidate like Clinton.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:26

PKJC: May 7, 2009

FactsAreUseless posted:

Man, the letters they send from prison are going to be cutting AF.

Gonna be tough on them drafting those out between waterboarding sessions.

:smith:

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:26

Azuth0667: Sep 20, 2011; By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Pollyanna posted:

I'm past the depression and bargaining stages, for now. I'm ready for action. What can we do to stave off Trump and Pence's lovely policies? Is there a battle plan anywhere?

The plan is contact your local office or try to resurrect a different party and rally people.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:28

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;

Oh my god

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:28

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

Youth Decay posted:

The biggest problem, honestly, was how drat difficult the Republicans have made voting. I stood outside for 2 hours on election day and I know many other people who had to wait in even longer lines. There just aren't enough polling places, especially in highly Democratic (read: poor, black, young) areas. That's not even counting the reduction in early voting and the proliferation of photo ID laws. With a more equitable voting system we'd see a bluer country even given a lovely candidate like Clinton.

Yeah. Don't particularly see that problem getting any better any time soon though. Sucks, welcome to the thousand years of darkness.

If only Hillary had reached out to the Rust Belt voters which Obama won in two separate elections. Oh well. Ideological purity preserved for negromancer's sake. Shame about the continued decay of voting access in America though!

E: Ahahahah I loving love the new red text. I gotta admit I liked my TNC red text, especially after he had his post primary moment of 'WE SHOULD HAVE GONE WITH BERNIE, HE AT LEAST SEEMED TO CARE', but this is pretty loving fantastic.

Nix Panicus fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Nov 10, 2016

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:29

Guy Goodbody: Aug 31, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

Not a Step posted:

lol, you can't take three minutes to explain yourself and instead are a condescending jerk to people who asked, so they have no choice but to turn to the people who did take the time to answer them

WONDER WHY YOUR POLITICS SUCK?

The dude's plan for ending racism is never talking to white people until all the white people suddenly become woke on their own. I think he thinks that he is so correct about everything, he doesn't even need to argue. Just wait until everyone naturally starts to agree with him

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:31

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

negromancer posted:

Okay, then why did they vote in the same assholes downballot?

do people just not know what straight ticket voting is

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:30

Dr. VooDoo: May 4, 2006

Ahaha that tax code he wants to implement will destroy the loving government like one of his businesses

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:31

TheShazbot: Feb 20, 2011

Youth Decay posted:

The biggest problem, honestly, was how drat difficult the Republicans have made voting. I stood outside for 2 hours on election day and I know many other people who had to wait in even longer lines. There just aren't enough polling places, especially in highly Democratic (read: poor, black, young) areas. That's not even counting the reduction in early voting and the proliferation of photo ID laws. With a more equitable voting system we'd see a bluer country even given a lovely candidate like Clinton.

Why not give people the option to vote by mail, or go to the polling place? I have never really lived anywhere that wasn't liberal-leaning (Portland, Omaha, Las Vegas) so this may just be available only because of no Republican obstruction

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:33

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Guy Goodbody posted:

The dude's plan for ending racism is never talking to white people until all the white people suddenly become woke on their own. I think he thinks that he is so correct about everything, he doesn't even need to argue. Just wait until everyone naturally starts to agree with him

Which is basically how_to_fail_at_progressive_politics.txt, so while it makes for great grandstanding material it won't actually help anyone in the next electoral cycle.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:34

negromancer: Aug 20, 2014; by FactsAreUseless

Not a Step posted:

lol, you can't take three minutes to explain yourself and instead are a condescending jerk to people who asked, so they have no choice but to turn to the people who did take the time to answer them

WONDER WHY YOUR POLITICS SUCK?

Sorry I don't have time to coddle people who are lazy as gently caress.

If staying in this country means having to hold your hand through being a decent human being and how to function as an adult, gently caress it.

Guy Goodbody posted:

The dude's plan for ending racism is never talking to white people until all the white people suddenly become woke on their own. I think he thinks that he is so correct about everything, he doesn't even need to argue. Just wait until everyone naturally starts to agree with him

yes, because that's my plan even though I've said otherwise and I started an entire thread that educates white people on black issues.

Get the gently caress on you obnoxious prick.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:35

Soy Division: Aug 12, 2004

Can I point out that Illinois did its loving job something hardcore last night? We were the only Rust Belt holdout from Trumpism and it wasn't even close.

Of course this is because Illinois hoovered up all the good jobs and talent from neighboring states...

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:35

NoEyedSquareGuy: Mar 16, 2009; Just because Liquor's dead, doesn't mean you can just roll this bitch all over town with "The Freedoms."

JawKnee posted:

Oh my god

Herman Cain's proposal that all bills be no longer than three pages was pretty dumb but this one is definitely up there.

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Salvor_Hardin: Sep 13, 2005; I want to go protest.; Nap Ghost

RuanGacho posted:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-helpful-answers-to-societys-most-uncomfortable-questions/

I'll let people decide if these are topical

The first one is good for sure.

# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:35

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