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The Kingfish posted:I just realized that Bernie and Warren are the leaders of the party now. it's time to rebuild
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:34 |
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Zikan posted:Since the party is effectively broken and leaderless, could a Jeremy Corbyn style takeover with the progressive caucus leading the charge with someone like Keith Ellison or Tulsi Gabbard succeed? Someone who just stands up and gives people someone to rally to by complete repudating CLintonism, who isn't perceived as from the Clintonite camp as Tim Kaine and the NoVa Dems? Or would there be too much backlash from the remaining Clintonites Things literally can't get any lower for the party, now is the perfect time for a civil war. The left wing needs to act quickly before the moderates can come up with some sort of coherent narrative about how this is secretly the left's fault.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:35 |
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Venom Snake posted:A. There probably was no video. All I ever heard was rumors. A. WELL WHAT WERE THE loving RUMORS B. lol thats it? A white guy with a harmonica preaching liberalization and gay rights? christ the DNC is hosed if true. Two weeks ago we were talking about the end of the RNC, and here we loving are.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:35 |
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White people didn't vote for Trump. He did worse with whites than Romney. People didn't vote for Clinton. Cause she was a terrible candidate that somehow managed to run a campaign that seemed more like a vanity project than someone who's a reality TV star. If we want to make a goddamn difference, it starts with this: we can't hate the people we're trying to help. The country didn't fail the democrats. The democrats failed the country.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:35 |
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Condiv posted:it's time to rebuild the battle has just begun, actually.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:36 |
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People said Hillary was Cersei Lannister, she turn out to be Catelyn Stark. and yesterday was the red wedding.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:36 |
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Venom Snake posted:
Do you think Democrats want Bernie to have the reigns and would actually allow him to take them if he himself actually wanted to?
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:40 |
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Are there any decent dem governors that aren't real old?
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:41 |
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Zikan posted:Since the party is effectively broken and leaderless, could a Jeremy Corbyn style takeover with the progressive caucus leading the charge with someone like Keith Ellison or Tulsi Gabbard succeed? Someone who just stands up and gives people someone to rally to by complete repudating CLintonism, who isn't perceived as from the Clintonite camp as Tim Kaine and the NoVa Dems? Or would there be too much backlash from the remaining Clintonites "Clintonites" are not a thing anymore. Everyone just wants to move on. Tim Kaine and the NoVa dems want to give the reigns to the progressive wing and present an actual challenge to the GOP. The problem is the Progressives might have just given up. Raskolnikov38 posted:the 2020 primaries are going to be hilarious when Tim Kaine shows up in them thinking he has a snowball's chance in hell He is not going to run for president. I know him personally. He's tired. But he knows if everyone gives up now were hosed. FizFashizzle posted:B. lol thats it? A white guy with a harmonica preaching liberalization and gay rights? They are 100% willing to hand over everything to the left right now. Again I'm not saying they want control; all they want is the ship to not go under.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:41 |
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Oh Snapple! posted:Do you think Democrats want Bernie to have the reigns and would actually allow him to take them if he himself actually wanted to? they better if they want to continue to exist
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:42 |
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Oh Snapple! posted:Do you think Democrats want Bernie to have the reigns and would actually allow him to take them if he himself actually wanted to? who loving else is there? the clintons spent 30 years making the democrats their personal machine and it got trump elected
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:41 |
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It's gonna be Cory booker and dems will never learn their lesson
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:41 |
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Cyron posted:People said Hillary was Cersei Lannister, she turn out to be Catelyn Stark. and yesterday was the red wedding. ill never understand anime
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:41 |
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Oh Snapple! posted:Do you think Democrats want Bernie to have the reigns and would actually allow him to take them if he himself actually wanted to? the democrats are loving done if they do not find a new direction right goddamn now lol
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:43 |
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Oh Snapple! posted:Do you think Democrats want Bernie to have the reigns and would actually allow him to take them if he himself actually wanted to? There is nobody left to oppose him.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:42 |
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Venom Snake posted:
well poo poo in one hand and wish in the other
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:42 |
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The Kingfish posted:Things literally can't get any lower for the party, now is the perfect time for a civil war. The left wing needs to act quickly before the moderates can come up with some sort of coherent narrative about how this is secretly the left's fault. the number of posts i've seen both here and on facebook blaming johnson/stein voters (lol) for this outcome would indicate that they've already settled on one
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:42 |
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Condiv posted:they better if they want to continue to exist Raskolnikov38 posted:who loving else is there? the clintons spent 30 years making the democrats their personal machine and it got trump elected My general perception is that the party politicians don't care for Bernie because they's affluent and comfortable capitalists and Bernie is A Threat to that lifestyle.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:44 |
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Oh Snapple! posted:Do you think Democrats want Bernie to have the reigns and would actually allow him to take them if he himself actually wanted to? look at the UK Labour party and ask yourself this again (the answer is no, the fake-leftist shills would rather suicide bomb their own party than see actual leftist policy ever implemented)
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:44 |
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slave to my cravings posted:It's gonna be Cory booker and dems will never learn their lesson There is no "dems" left to learn dude. We have the least amount of control in the history of the entire party lol
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:43 |
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Mayor Dave posted:the number of posts i've seen both here and on facebook blaming johnson/stein voters (lol) for this outcome would indicate that they've already settled on one The point is that the progressive wing needs to attack now, or else they will be swept up and carried away by the narrative like they were during the primary.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:44 |
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Oh Snapple! posted:My general perception is that the party politicians don't care for Bernie because they's affluent and comfortable capitalists and Bernie is A Threat to that lifestyle. There are no more "party politicians" the Dems are dead, because apparently no one realized a professional fraudster and con artist could be an effective politician, and people thought that literally anything mattered
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:45 |
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anime was right posted:the democrats are loving done if they do not find a new direction right goddamn now lol Are you still going to do your effort post? I was looking forward to it.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:47 |
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https://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-vows-stop-donald-trump/quote:In a viral Facebook post, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) has vowed to do everything in his power to block President-elect Trump’s agenda. Bernie posted:Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:46 |
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Oh Snapple! posted:My general perception is that the party politicians don't care for Bernie because they's affluent and comfortable capitalists and Bernie is A Threat to that lifestyle. They have either bent the knee or vacated the premises.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:46 |
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I don't even know that a progressive platform beats trump in 2020 if that's the goal. If he has any kind of success I think he proves his entire campaign right. He is going to get off to a good start by taking credit for getting rid of ISIS in Iraq in early 2017.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:46 |
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I honestly believe that the slogan "America is great because America is good" is what single handedly killed her campaign. Probably the worst call to action I've ever heard and whichever idiot on her staff came up with it should never be allowed to work in any marketing oriented job ever again.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:47 |
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I get we are in la la land over here in SA, but you have to be nuts to try to find a magical fairy progressive scion to get behind and win in 2020. A hell of a lot more Americans than anyone expected just made clear the 100 things they want from Government, it is time to maybe listen and adopt and adapt a few over time
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:49 |
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I'm concerned that Trump is post-reality and his voters will will themselves into a placebo-type effect where they believe things are getting better while nothing changes / gets worse
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:49 |
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so i'm british and something akin to this happened recently with us, as you may have heard no not brexit. 2015 general election the tories were stupid and incompetent and we had a milquetoast nonentity in charge of labour but it looked like they'd scrape it out anyway. but then the polls were wrong and the tories got a majority and 18 months later the country is imploding and labour is still in disarray. so the sanders talk is similar to our corbyn talk. the old party establishment just wasn't working at all so we tried something new. and we've had a year of corbyn now so i can say some things about the experience 1. if you make a serious push to make the party go left (not just nonbinding platforms, but credible left policy) there will likely be deep deep resistance. the idea is anathema to a lot of wealthy liberals (not leftists) with entrenched power. you'll also face a hostile press which will make its peace with trump, or just with congressional republicans, or with leadership figures of the democratic right given permanent platforms to undermine you in the name of Seriousness. 2. corbyn genuinely isn't a very good politician but we have no alternative because our dnc-equivalent could slam down the door to any replacement if they were able to force him out. we're obligated to keep him due to the party civil war. try to make sure you don't get stuck in the same position. but there's some good signs too. corbyn's rise was met with sheer panic and total resistance, sanders seems to have better relations with the dnc wing at least in public. and you can make a credible claim that the democratic coalition is the genuine majority of the country, just hobbled by suppression, gerrymandering, etc. it's harder to make that claim in the uk for labour. Peel has issued a correction as of 01:52 on Nov 10, 2016 |
# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:49 |
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Zikan posted:Since the party is effectively broken and leaderless, could a Jeremy Corbyn style takeover with the progressive caucus leading the charge with someone like Keith Ellison or Tulsi Gabbard succeed? Someone who just stands up and gives people someone to rally to by complete repudating CLintonism, who isn't perceived as from the Clintonite camp as Tim Kaine and the NoVa Dems? Or would there be too much backlash from the remaining Clintonites Is it too late to draft Kshama Sawant?
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:50 |
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Crazyweasel posted:I get we are in la la land over here in SA, but you have to be nuts to try to find a magical fairy progressive scion to get behind and win in 2020. A hell of a lot more Americans than anyone expected just made clear the 100 things they want from Government, it is time to maybe listen and adopt and adapt a few over time We won't win in 2020, we'll be lucky to have reorganized by 2024.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:50 |
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Venom Snake posted:"Clintonites" are not a thing anymore. Everyone just wants to move on. Tim Kaine and the NoVa dems want to give the reigns to the progressive wing and present an actual challenge to the GOP. The problem is the Progressives might have just given up. It hasn't been that long since Trump was declared the victor. How do you know all this about their new positions? How do they have these new positions already even? Has this been brewing for a while or is it a position made while in shock that can easily be changed later?
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:51 |
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Welp, that poo poo happened. I finally recovered from my hangover and wanted to post in the Baloogan thread but it's already gone. My two cents is that the people saying the Democrats lost touch with too many middle class white males is probably correct. Also, peepaw Bernie was not the answer. Socialism does not sell in the U.S., never has and never will in our lifetimes. I'm glad C-SPAM is sticking around. Can't wait for the novels written about this.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:53 |
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Venom Snake posted:There is nobody left to oppose him. seriously: they'll appear, and rally, if a left wing seems to be seriously taking over
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:54 |
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I got two words for you folks: Basic income.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:54 |
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Peel posted:so i'm british and something akin to this happened recently with us, as you may have heard I get the vibe that sanders is genuinely just less of a dingus than corbyn sanders is plainly too old to be the leader of the party anymore though imo if only we had some genuinely talented politicians who also loved commie poo poo
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:54 |
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radical meme posted:Welp, that poo poo happened. Socialism wasn't going to sell but any sort of populist anti-establishment message would have been a lot better than none.
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:55 |
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Venom Snake posted:They are 100% willing to hand over everything to the left right now. Again I'm not saying they want control; all they want is the ship to not go under. No way, that's not how this actually works. They don't have a plan right now, but I can guarantee they are not "100% willing to hand everything over to the left"
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:56 |
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logikv9 posted:I'm concerned that Trump is post-reality and his voters will will themselves into a placebo-type effect where they believe things are getting better while nothing changes / gets worse Worked for Obama and Bush, and they didn't even have the whole anti-establishment message as an excuse to fall back on
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# ? Nov 10, 2016 01:55 |