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LastInLine posted:The primary job of a politician is to get people to vote for them, it's literally the first step. If you can't do that, you're a lovely politician and there is no doubt that Hillary is perhaps the shittiest in modern history. Maybe it means pandering but maybe, just maybe it could mean offering a different stance on an issue that obviously a voting bloc cares about. All the polls were wrong she was flying blind the entire time.
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LastInLine posted:The primary job of a politician is to get people to vote for them, it's literally the first step. If you can't do that, you're a lovely politician and there is no doubt that Hillary is perhaps the shittiest in modern history. Maybe it means pandering but maybe, just maybe it could mean offering a different stance on an issue that obviously a voting bloc cares about. she had a lot of appealing stances on a very wide variety of issues, and even ones where she was bad, like weed, folks who care about that issue should really be able to realize that voting democratic regardless of candidate was more likely to bring progress in the direction they want. if, as one of these eventual non-voters, you applied any analytical skill at all to her platform and the overall context of where the democratic party was going, you should have realized that not voting was a bad idea regardless of whether she has spoken about your issues in the last week. this is a persistent weakness of the democratic electorate, a component of its softness compared to the republicans, who know they must vote republican always. VOTE YES ON 69 posted:right and I'd assume that even if you were an obsessive political nerd you could understand that they are 1) both full of loving assholes and 2) don't actually closely approximate the ideology of millions of people duh but she lost mostly because of folks who voted for obama in 2012 but not for her, which means these aren't exactly people who are innately repulsed by mainstream trending-progressive-liberalism; they are people who either easily buy into fake scandals or who, as i have mentioned, are dumb and require constant overt reminders that a candidate is on their side on their specific issue people kinda have a responsibility to be educated voters in at least a basic sense, just as much as a politician's job is to attract votes both sides of that equation collapsed this time
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I got about 15 minutes of sleep last night and that have been running on adrenaline pretty much since yesterday morning. That greatagain.gov finally broke me though. God drat Donald trump is the next president.
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This dumb gently caress episode of Gotham has Cobblepot winning the mayors office on the slogan of make Gotham safe again and oh my god I'm triggered
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The Nastier Nate posted:I know your right, but this ain't your daddy's GOP anymore, it's the Trump Party and he is the unquestionable leader: anyone who still thinks we're gonna get 4 years of Bush2.0 is in for a rude awakening. We are so far into uncharted waters now that we can't see the shore. yeah haha it's too loving late poo poo is going to be bad we are going to go hard fascist and bring about nuclear war, or become a puppet state of russia, or a fundamentalist protestant hell-hole in the mold of much of the middle east
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Montasque posted:So lots of protesters across the USA. His name was Bernie Sanders.
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Augus posted:we may deserve it but blacks, gays, immigrants, etc don't LOL, yeah they really do; even more than everybody else.
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:Oh no poo poo??? Just don't call it a loving democracy It's a representative democracy. That's what it is and that's its name. Perhaps you'd be interested in something like a direct democracy? The fact is that the country wouldn't exist at all without having had this system baked into it from the beginning.
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radical meme posted:LOL, yeah they really do; even more than everybody else. you had better clarify
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Jazerus posted:she had a lot of appealing stances on a very wide variety of issues Her biggest problem seems to have been that she wasn't willing to be outspoken about any of those issues that she had good opinions on. She played too safe, didn't take any sort of controversial position on anything.
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a real chump posted:dernal tremp mis real dumb and bad a good post imo i can see all the points clearly addressed and have come to a mutual understanding  thank you for englightening me on something so eloquent that D&D in a thousand years could never do with a pile of paragraphs and 
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Montasque posted:So lots of protesters across the USA. No, never.
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quote:as one of these eventual non-voters, you applied any analytical skill at all to her platform and the overall context of where the democratic party was going, lol she wanted to jail them. She said they should be in jail. THEY STOPPED ANALYZING THEN. FuriousxGeorge fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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The Nastier Nate posted:I know your right, but this ain't your daddy's GOP anymore, it's the Trump Party and he is the unquestionable leader: anyone who still thinks we're gonna get 4 years of Bush2.0 is in for a rude awakening. We are so far into uncharted waters now that we can't see the shore. Yeah I think so to. Reagan is finally dead, thank God.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Her biggest problem seems to have been that she wasn't willing to be outspoken about any of those issues that she had good opinions on. She played too safe, didn't take any sort of controversial position on anything. how can you possibly have watched the 2016 campaign and came out thinking it was about issues
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eggyolk posted:His name was Bernie Sanders. bernie will take the reigns of the party and whip these dumb fuckers into shape
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This isn't entirely true. She got about the same number of young voters as Obama (and Kerry). The killer was working class people. For those making less than $50k per year there was a 16% swing from 2012 to 2016. This was especially true in the midwest. Look at the county results for Iowa and Wisconsin from 2012 and compare them with 2016. It's shocking. The failure wasn't apathetic teens casting protest ballots or staying home, that laziness is basically baked in to the Democratic coalition. This was the final loss of the New Deal coalition who heard NOTHING about how Hillary's policies would help them (partially the fault of the media, partially the fault of Clinton for not making it her one thing). Instead Hillary focused on feel-good identity politics and moral outrage against Trump. They should have known that Romney voters would come home to Trump.
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NecroMonster posted:i don't blame any on individual or group alone, and i'm not even mad, i'm too god damned sick and defeated at this point hot take: you should stop feeling sorry for yourself and start getting directly involved in politics so that we can hit back hard in 2018. support progressive candidates, make calls, unite against a common enemy, etc etc radical meme posted:LOL, yeah they really do; even more than everybody else.
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LmaoTheKid posted:Can confirm. My subway ride was so quiet it got creepy. same. People who used to talk to eachother every day just stared off in the distance including me
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Three Olives posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/796534101025165312 This makes me sad, honestly. These people really are broken and Trump gave them hope. In 4 years, they'll re-elect him on that same promise. In 8 years, they'll still love him. In 10 years, they'll die of black lung and the consequences of meth usage. They really are hosed.
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Augus posted:hot take: you should stop feeling sorry for yourself and start getting directly involved in politics so that we can hit back hard in 2018. support progressive candidates, make calls, unite against a common enemy, etc etc i am extremely mentally ill
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LastInLine posted:It's a representative democracy. That's what it is and that's its name. Perhaps you'd be interested in something like a direct democracy?
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If nothing else is learned from this, at least some political operative will maybe realize that dropping earthshaking poo poo like the Access Hollywood tape apparently doesn't matter for more than a week. GrimGypsy posted:How long until Alex Jones turns on Trump? Alex Jone's fan base is pretty much entirely Trump supporters so he'd have to wait for Trump to gently caress up something fierce otherwise his viewership will eat him alive as a sellout. Cubey posted:i don't think that was his point dawg They're going to let the states decide whether to make your pot smoking a misdemeanor or a felony after the Federal government comes down on pot smokers like the fist of an angry god, then does the same to women's health. mastershakeman posted:surely in year 45 of majority gop appointed judges, roe will be overturned Roe only exists right now because of Kennedy. Full stop. If Kennedy was as anti-choice as the other conservative justices have been Abortion would not be legal in the US right now. LastInLine posted:The primary job of a politician is to get people to vote for them, it's literally the first step. If you can't do that, you're a lovely politician and there is no doubt that Hillary is perhaps the shittiest in modern history. You do realize Hillary got more votes than Trump, right? The reason she's not president elect is because we're idiots and don't just do a straight up popular vote for POTUS. Louisgod posted:Went to a brewery with co-workers for lunch and of course a couple grandma and grandpas sat next to us and I made zero effort of toning poo poo down and one of the old shits just laughed and shook his head when we made our points They're just enjoying the end of their wild ride. I can only imagine how survivie WW2 vets have to feel, seeing their kids and grandkids elect the kind of people they fought against in WW2. Then again all the Cold Warriors fully embrace Putin a loving KGB op turned Stalin-wannabe strongman so who the gently caress knows.
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Pomp posted:same. People who used to talk to eachother every day just stared off in the distance Because my office is mostly made of people from Long Island, they were so quicky to talk how great this all was. Ironically, the guy from Georgia was the only one who said "this is bad" before a Long Islander said "you just think that because the media told you to."
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Everyone I know in San Francisco and Oakland are super loving shook today - maybe more than I've ever really seen my hometown be - but I still believe we'll all survive this. I don't know why... but I am. 
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Pook Good Mook posted:The failure wasn't apathetic teens casting protest ballots or staying home, that laziness is basically baked in to the Democratic coalition. This was the final loss of the New Deal coalition who heard NOTHING about how Hillary's policies would help them (partially the fault of the media, partially the fault of Clinton for not making it her one thing). Instead Hillary focused on feel-good identity politics and moral outrage against Trump. They should have known that Romney voters would come home to Trump. The truth is, a lot of people (wrongly) voted with the same thought in mind that I have going into an election. I care more if they can do the job than if I like them. Hillary didn't hit hard enough on his ideas being poo poo and him being incompetent. She called him a Bad Man, and most people don't really care if the president is a bad man. They think that of all politicians.
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NecroMonster posted:it's because the left failed the lower and middle classes in a whole lot of different ways in part to a whole lot of obstruction remember when hillary wanted to forgive student loans for "entrepreneurs"
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Does trump plan on making more coal for these poor miners? Can they just make the bituminous into anthracite by getting rid of the brown people?
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Covok posted:Because my office is mostly made of people from Long Island, they were so quicky to talk how great this all was. Ironically, the guy from Georgia was the only one who said "this is bad" before a Long Islander said "you just think that because the media told you to." i'm a long islander and i say gently caress this poo poo
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Guy DeBorgore posted:how can you possibly have watched the 2016 campaign and came out thinking it was about issues Read the coal mining quote above. Hillary doesn't need to be pro-coal. She did not to make a link between "these regulations are good because X, we want to help with infrastructure Y, and free community college." gently caress, even Terry loving Branstead knows enough to promise farmers in the sticks that the state will pave the county highways that is only used by agribusiness ethanol trucks. Jon Stewart pointed this out years ago. Democrats never actually sack up and say WHY wasting $2 trillion in Iraq and Afghanistan was such a tragedy. It wasn't because we couldn't afford it. It was because it was a theft from education, healthcare, roads. Things people LIKE from their government. Democrats are right on the issues but you have to actually sell that you're right, not just act like it and assume you can dismiss people who don't get it as "dumb." I mean, they are dumb, but you can't campaign that way.
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Cubey posted:my college campus has one of the highest proportions of gay students in the country. in the main student lounge the lgbt club had set up an emergency table and there were people crying and hugging each other. everyone on campus was silent, or talking in hushed tones about how they couldn't believe this and what does this mean. I'm not being facetious at all here. Start a Gay Communist Gun Club.
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NecroMonster posted:you had better clarify quote:My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. As true now as it was 60 years ago. I'm loving tired of people asking "what have you done for me lately". I'm close to the age where FYGM is becoming a viable political philosophy.
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