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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Pence is the current vice president of the United States. Uhh I'm pretty sure the current vice president is named Joe Biden. Is pence his nickname? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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It would be hilarious if the country was 'saved' from a Trump Presidency by a total economic crash brought on by Ted Cruz and the Tea Party deciding they aren't getting enough attention.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:18
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Ratoslov posted:It would be hilarious if the country was 'saved' from a Trump Presidency by a total economic crash brought on by Ted Cruz and the Tea Party deciding they aren't getting enough attention. You just reminded me of how hard Ted Cruz got owned and it took some of the sting out for a moment 
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Nov 10, 2016 05:19
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:They should transition away from manufacturing jobs to ???? Information? Tourism? Distribution? The reason why the plan the democrats had was hard was because it was meant to be a process where each community gets the tools to develop towards whatever works better for itself, instead of a blanket sound-bite wish fulfillment. Some rural town in West Virginia that was based on coal is going to have a different optimal outcome than a steel town in Michigan. The problem both Bernie and Hillary would have had is they weren't going to lie and say "We're going to bring the coal industry back." But again, this goes back to the whole snare of "If you're explaining, you're losing."
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Nov 10, 2016 05:21
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Lightning Knight posted:You conveniently left off the end of this story where white union members abandoned the Democrats in droves to vote Nixon and Reagan in reaction to desegregation policies and let labor get destroyed in the process. Reagan definitely wasn't in reaction to desegregation policies. I don't know about Nixon, but in both cases i think attributing the death of the labour movement to racism is the sort of reductionist and dismissive approach to the working class that allows the republicans to win their support despite having worse policies for them.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:20
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Dick Milhous Rock! posted:Information? Tourism? Distribution? The reason why the plan the democrats had was hard was because it was meant to be a process where each community gets the tools to develop towards whatever works better for itself, instead of a blanket sound-bite wish fulfillment. Bernie was with steel. He was promising tariffs.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:22
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Dick Milhous Rock! posted:No, but they've been giving a pass to self-destructive Republican policies for a generation based on ambiguous wedge issues. If the Democratic contingent doesn't want to go vote, where else are you going to find voters? You've got to get these people to finally see that the reason they're up poo poo's creek isn't just because of some ambiguous globalization, but also because they keep electing people that loot public coffers, privatize gains, and undermine the nets and ladders they could use. imo this is why we're hosed. Massive voter suppression by the Republicans will kneecap the minority and poor vote and working. class whites will still think the Democrats are toxic regardless of our platform because what they want is "we will magically make it 1955 again." The Democratic Party is dead.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:21
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I just watched 3 lanes of anti-trump protesters stream by my window for nearly four minutes straight, chanting "gently caress Donald Trump" and "not my president" in LA.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:21
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Lightning Knight posted:imo this is why we're hosed. Massive voter suppression by the Republicans will kneecap the minority and poor vote and working. class whites will still think the Democrats are toxic regardless of our platform because what they want is "we will magically make it 1955 again." No, the Democratic Party is not dead. No more than the Republican Party was dead in 2008.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:22
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Dick Milhous Rock! posted:Information? Tourism? Distribution? The reason why the plan the democrats had was hard was because it was meant to be a process where each community gets the tools to develop towards whatever works better for itself, instead of a blanket sound-bite wish fulfillment. Yeah a whole lot of tourism jobs are coming to Detroit. Just you wait.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:22
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Pollyanna posted:Ahhhh gently caress I just remembered the people he's appointing. loving Gingrich, Giuliani, Arpaio, and Palin. What the gently caress. What the gently caress he is appointing To what!
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Nov 10, 2016 05:24
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Moon Atari posted:Reagan definitely wasn't in reaction to desegregation policies. I don't know about Nixon, but in both cases i think attributing the death of the labour movement to racism is the sort of reductionist and dismissive approach to the working class that allows the republicans to win their support despite having worse policies for them. Have you ever heard of the Southern Strategy. Ronald Reagan got white southerners and the working poor to vote for him out of fear of black people and foreigners and unions collapsed because white working people chose race identity over class. Labor movements in America will always fail so long as they emphasize white workers over everyone else. It's trivial to kill them by offering racist rhetoric on anti-labor candidates.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:23
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:Yeah a whole lot of tourism jobs are coming to Detroit. Just you wait. More likely than the manufacturing coming back, though.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:25
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Fojar38 posted:That's like one of the few silver linings here is that debt-crises are unlikely for the next couple of years. When's the next one? I asked because the last time it happened, I thought it was around December. Is it possible that'll happen before Trump takes office?
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Nov 10, 2016 05:25
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Fojar38 posted:No, the Democratic Party is not dead. No more than the Republican Party was dead in 2008. Obama was a fluke. We just handed Republicans four years of unmitigated control of the government on a candidate far more virulently evil than Bush. Lmao if you think they'll let Democrats ever win again.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:25
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Moon Atari posted:Reagan definitely wasn't in reaction to desegregation policies. I don't know about Nixon, but in both cases i think attributing the death of the labour movement to racism is the sort of reductionist and dismissive approach to the working class that allows the republicans to win their support despite having worse policies for them. Racism in unions was and is still a huge issue. It's more reductionist and dismissive to ignore them rather than include them. Reagan had supporter who were clearly responding negatively to the improving lot of minorities and fear over affirmative action. Sure he broke the FAA union for lots of reasons, but racism was an important wedge against labor. Nixon might have well run ads saying "blacks are taking your jobs" in his campaign.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:25
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Manufacturing actually has been flowing back to the US and has been for years, mostly because China's hit the middle income trap and automation makes it more cost effective to produce goods close to market. The problem is that those don't translate into blue-collar manufacturing jobs. The days of manned assembly lines are over and are never coming back no matter who is in power.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:26
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:Yeah a whole lot of tourism jobs are coming to Detroit. Just you wait. It's...it's almost as if you didn't read the post. If you did, you certainly didn't understand it.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:25
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So what I'm getting at is that for things to get better we need to somehow court minorities and blue collar whites at the same time and get them to play nice and that sounds pretty loving impossible, I'm sorry.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:29
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this is the american electorate basically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm4qDD4Fvcg&t=118s
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Nov 10, 2016 05:29
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Lol Keysotne XL is back because of course
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Nov 10, 2016 05:28
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Pollyanna posted:So what I'm getting at is that for things to get better we need to somehow court minorities and blue collar whites at the same time and get them to play nice and that sounds pretty loving impossible, I'm sorry. can't tell if this is ironic or not but potentially right either way.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:30
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Pollyanna posted:So what I'm getting at is that for things to get better we need to somehow court minorities and blue collar whites at the same time and get them to play nice and that sounds pretty loving impossible, I'm sorry. Pretty much. This is the problem with the brogressive "why won't you be nice to racists  " theory. Even in a world without massive voter suppression the Democrats don't have the candidates or the platform to beat the Republicans outright lying and mixing those lies with anti-immigration rhetoric.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:30
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Pollyanna posted:So what I'm getting at is that for things to get better we need to somehow court minorities and blue collar whites at the same time and get them to play nice and that sounds pretty loving impossible, I'm sorry. Better just complain on internet forums then. Why bother doing anything?
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Nov 10, 2016 05:31
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Crowsbeak posted:Bernie was with steel. He was promising tariffs. The end result was that communities that couldn't go back into manufacturing or other industrial jobs weren't hosed. Quick Draw McGraw posted:Yeah a whole lot of tourism jobs are coming to Detroit. Just you wait. Twenty years ago you could roll your eyes about Richmond, VA, too. Hypothetically, it's not like Detroit doesn't have access to a number of appealing natural features and large expanses of land that can be redeveloped with a coherent plan. The point is that believing the easy way out is returning to the old manufacturing economy when there are other, better solutions out there basically digs the hole deeper.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:31
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Fojar38 posted:Manufacturing actually has been flowing back to the US and has been for years, mostly because China's hit the middle income trap and automation makes it more cost effective to produce goods close to market. I've read that China has also been getting reliant on actually outsourcing their companies O_o and then the companies will bring that wealth back into the country.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:32
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gently caress I'm not looking forward to Obama having to pardon Clinton and then listen to the right complain about it all being rigged.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:31
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Fojar38 posted:Better just complain on internet forums then. Why bother doing anything? We did. We lost. We offered America a progressive platform and they chose feel good fascism. There's no coming back from this. Filibuster gone, government gutted, global warming not dealt with. We lost.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:33
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Hollismason posted:I've read that China has also been getting reliant on actually outsourcing their companies O_o and then the companies will bring that wealth back into the country. Chinese companies are turbofucked right now and are mass producing a bunch of poo poo nobody needs on a lifeline of government subsidy. Trump tariffing them and labeling them currency manipulators is going to bring the whole thing crashing down. China is hosed and people don't need to worry about it being a serious economic competitor.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:33
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Fojar38 posted:Chinese companies are turbofucked right now and are mass producing a bunch of poo poo nobody needs on a lifeline of government subsidy. Trump tariffing them and labeling them currency manipulators is going to bring the whole thing crashing down. China is hosed and people don't need to worry about it being a serious economic competitor. Lmao dude if China goes the global economy goes. We're on the brink of collapse as it is and there's so many places it could fail first. Trump is playing Jenga but he wants to grab the bottom pieces first.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:35
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Lightning Knight posted:We did. We lost. We offered America a progressive platform and they chose feel good fascism. Yeah, things are bleak because we've hit rock bottom. Only one way to go from rock bottom, friend.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:34
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Trabisnikof posted:gently caress I'm not looking forward to Obama having to pardon Clinton and then listen to the right complain about it all being rigged. What
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Nov 10, 2016 05:34
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gently caress this terrible racist rear end country
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Fojar38 posted:Yeah, things are bleak because we've hit rock bottom. Only one way to go from rock bottom, friend.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:36
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Lightning Knight posted:Lmao dude if China goes the global economy goes. We're on the brink of collapse as it is and there's so many places it could fail first. Trump is playing Jenga but he wants to grab the bottom pieces first. China was hosed no matter who won. The PRC has been corncobbing for the past 5 years at least but are very very good at hiding it.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:36
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Fojar38 posted:Yeah, things are bleak because we've hit rock bottom. Only one way to go from rock bottom, friend. This is what people voting for Trump thought and they are about to be proved horribly wrong.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:36
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So uh the human race could die because of this .
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Nov 10, 2016 05:37
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Fojar38 posted:No, the Democratic Party is not dead. No more than the Republican Party was dead in 2008.
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Fojar38 posted:The problem is that those don't translate into blue-collar manufacturing jobs. The days of manned assembly lines are over and are never coming back no matter who is in power. Yeah, this is the part that gets me. Even if Trump succeeds in the Hurculean effort to bring manufacturing back to the very communities manufacturing left.. it's not like any of the people who are left in those communities have the skills to work those new manufacturing jobs. I think they could be trained, but somehow I doubt there's going to be money in the budget for say... access to debt free higher education. If only there was a candidate that had offered something like that! This is part of why I don't buy this narrative that Trump offered things to rust belters. He offered a vague hope and specific punishment for grievance. Hillary had policies that explicitly benefited rust belters. They just didn't like them because they weren't wrapped in pro-white messaging. There's a dark lesson about hope here. We all thought Trump was running the negative campaign and that hate would depress turnout for him. It turns out he was actually the candidate offering hope but we failed to realize it since we thought American voters wouldn't fall for such obvious bullshit. Anti-black racism wasn't enough for whites to stand in the way of a two term Obama presidency. Pro-white racism was enough to win Trump the election. A Trump presidency hurts the people who elected him, but it hurts the people who didn't elect him more. In America that's functionally the same so they're alright with it. This was an election about taking America back in time a few decades because white people can't handle 2016. ErIog fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Dick Milhous Rock! posted:The end result was that communities that couldn't go back into manufacturing or other industrial jobs weren't hosed. ? Fojar38 posted:Chinese companies are turbofucked right now and are mass producing a bunch of poo poo nobody needs on a lifeline of government subsidy. Trump tariffing them and labeling them currency manipulators is going to bring the whole thing crashing down. China is hosed and people don't need to worry about it being a serious economic competitor. Yeah they'd take us down to. For the best though. Buck stops here, and Trump will get blamed for destroying the economy. It will take the US years to recover though. So happy my parents are well to do.
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