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rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:Can we talk about how loving stupid it was for the Clinton campaign to take her in? I remember all the Hillarymen claiming that it was just to keep up appearances, and that DWS was still useful and powerful, and Hillary would pragmatically and discretely punish her behind the scenes so that made it all ok. Shoulda made a public example of her to help fight the popular image of a corrupt politician who valued loyalty over anything else. But during that time the 'gently caress Bernie we don't need him or his supporters' sentiment was running particularly high.
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Zythrst posted:Fun fact my whole family is poor rural whites. In fact my mother was am Okie when she was a kid and never went to the same school two years in a row because they moved between California and Missouri constantly, my sister married a marine and lives in a town of less then 1000 people, my nephew spent a year in prison for meth addiction, and my niece had a child when she was 17 years old. Nobody in family voted for Trump, but you know what they didn't vote for Clinton either. They aren't racists, and they aren't sexists(loving lol if you tried to say that to my mother), but what they all are (including myself) is poor. and I know for a fact all us would have gladly voted again for Bernie Sanders. Moral of the story is that there still in this country a strain of that Woodie Guthrie type socialism in this country, but somebody needs to come and try and get their vote, and maybe just maybe not condescend to them that all they are is racist hicks and nothing else. Right on, but where is this condescention coming from? The media?
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Right on, but where is this condescention coming from? The media? MSNBC was big on it today
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Right on, but where is this condescention coming from? The media? Media driven but definitely lack of exposure/interaction on the coasts. In California, you never stop and talk to the people who live along highway 5/99 because they're all bumfuck backwards and poo poo.
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Weeping Wound posted:To be honest, I can't wait to see Sam Wang eat a bug. is there an elitist libs look stupid thread because i could use some of that right now. i want to see the previously complacent suffer just a little. not a lot. i dont want to see anyone suffer, but... i dunno. they brought this. that bubble did it to themselves and to us.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Right on, but where is this condescention coming from? The media? A lot of it is condescension through inaction. They're constantly ignored and treated like they'd never vote for a Democrat because of where they live. Their votes are constantly treated like a foregone conclusion. You'd be surprised by the number of people in these areas who will vote for someone they don't even really agree with simply because that person took the time to at least entertain their opinions. People just want to be listened to and unless you've got a bunch of money to buy a plate at a fundraising dinner or live in a densely populated area where they can reach more people at once, they don't give a gently caress. Truther Vandross has issued a correction as of 07:37 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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anime was right posted:is there an elitist libs look stupid thread because i could use some of that right now. i want to see the previously complacent suffer just a little. not a lot. i dont want to see anyone suffer, but... i dunno. they brought this. that bubble did it to themselves and to us. it's cool to watch elitist libs suffer because at the end of they day they're suffering with an expensive glass of wine in an apartment that costs more than most houses
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Right on, but where is this condescention coming from? The media? Its partly the media, but mainly its the way city dwellers have always viewed the rural populations, with a seasoning of identity politics to make it extra spicy. 1. All whites are racist. 2. All poors are double racist, uneducated and abject failures because they had all that white privilege and did nothing with it. 3. All rural people are triple racist, backwards, and probably inbred to boot. Therefore gently caress poor rural whites, they will only be satisfied by the literal subjugation and re-enslavement of blacks, and would never have any other hopes, dreams or desires we could appeal too E: also all their problems are 100% their fault, since smarter people would live in cities and use their privilege to be IT workers. So double gently caress em for staying out in their hovels
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Oh Snapple! posted:it's cool to watch elitist libs suffer because at the end of they day they're suffering with an expensive glass of wine in an apartment that costs more than most houses end the bourgeoisie
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Not a Step posted:Its partly the media, but mainly its the way city dwellers have always viewed the rural populations, with a seasoning of identity politics to make it extra spicy. this reminded me that last night we had a dude claiming to have escaped rural poverty and was outright blaming those who remain there for not bootstrapping their way out like he did lol
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Oh Snapple! posted:this reminded me that last night we had a dude claiming to have escaped rural poverty and was outright blaming those who remain there for not bootstrapping their way out like he did lol And a large part of why that poo poo happens is because those people become conditioned to believe that's what you have to do to matter.
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Venom Snake posted:If I had no respect for the left I wouldn't be here Then why are you still insisting you are not out of touch? You are. You sent a message. It was this: "Things are great for us rn fam, let's keep it going!" Meanwhile every person living hand to mouth in this country is slowly ground into a fine paste and you wanted them to stay the course. Staying the course and winning was more important to you than helping, and you broadcasted that loud and clear. The sheer hysteria and mindless gibbering over Donald loving Trump was just...God. "No guys he is LITERAL HITLER and we can NEVER YIELD TO HIM also he is dumb and his supporters are so dumb lol wait where is our presidency?" That poo poo showed everyone your true colors: that you are more afraid of losing your comfort than you want to fix things. Donald Trump promised to fix things. Like, he won't, but HE SAID HE WOULD, while the party establishment and every loving third way democrat out there insisted there wasn't a problem to be fixed. Well guess what? There is a problem. Part of the problem is YOU.
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Strep Vote posted:Then why are you still insisting you are not out of touch? You are. You sent a message. It was this: "Things are great for us rn fam, let's keep it going!" Meanwhile every person living hand to mouth in this country is slowly ground into a fine paste and you wanted them to stay the course. Staying the course and winning was more important to you than helping, and you broadcasted that loud and clear. The sheer hysteria and mindless gibbering over Donald loving Trump was just...God. "No guys he is LITERAL HITLER and we can NEVER YIELD TO HIM also he is dumb and his supporters are so dumb lol wait where is our presidency?" That poo poo showed everyone your true colors: that you are more afraid of losing your comfort than you want to fix things. Donald Trump promised to fix things. Like, he won't, but HE SAID HE WOULD, while the party establishment and every loving third way democrat out there insisted there wasn't a problem to be fixed. venom snake did not personally determine or have any say in the hillary campaign's strategy and outreach. calm down
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Venom Snake posted:No. I dealt with surrogates and talking points. Not super high level poo poo like "what do we make the campaign about". What I do 100% know is I got told at times that I shouldn't be worried about keeping the dem base excited Just out of curiosity, how long did you have to keep up appearances on this forum that everything was fine after being told that?
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anime was right posted:ya'll my comrades. we in this together.
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Mister Fister posted:Just out of curiosity, how long did you have to keep up appearances on this forum that everything was fine after being told that? Did you ever report back after reading SA and try to pass off the mood on the board as the mood of the electorate? I mean itd be real dumb but also hilarious if SA forums superstars were used to poll the mood of the country. Finally, how many CTR plants did we have, or did SA not rate any of those sweet CTR dollars?
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Honestly it's going to be difficult to win back rust-belt workers without any realistic prospect of passing legislation at the federal level. What can the next Democrat presidential candidate even promise aside from being a roadblock to Republican plans? Maybe they need to take a page from Trump's playbook and make extravagant, impossible promises as that no longer seems to affect electability.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Right on, but where is this condescention coming from? The media? Ironically a lot of it comes from urban millennials who, despite sharing almost* identical economic anxiety with them, look at rural whites just like Not A Step said. *rural whites are loaded with mortgage debt, urban millennials with college loan debt
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anime was right posted:ya'll my comrades. we in this together.
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Not a Step posted:Its partly the media, but mainly its the way city dwellers have always viewed the rural populations, with a seasoning of identity politics to make it extra spicy. and the whole "flyover state" idea, like i may be weird but i rather have a nice lakeside cabin in MN and get drunk and fish then go to new york and hang out at clubs and spa's, saying that must make a few liberals think i am a slavemaster though
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Mister Fister posted:Just out of curiosity, how long did you have to keep up appearances on this forum that everything was fine after being told that? I believed it like an idiot
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Fullhouse posted:venom snake did not personally determine or have any say in the hillary campaign's strategy and outreach. calm down Goddammit, I know, but he's dismissed the answer like three times already. "Maybe people want you to listen to them?" "No, no, can't be that. It was our message. They are the ones that should be listening to us...BUT HOW???" Trump told people "I am your voice" and he sounded like he meant it. Sorry if that is too low of a bar to clear.
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We talk about rural whites, but what about the other side? I heard minority turnout was not as good, and some are blaming this on suppression (first potus election since the Voting Rights Act case) or Clinton just being a poo poo candidate. Turnout in cities was also lower, sometimes by as much as 100,000 votes if I'm hearing things correctly. We can say rural whites killed her, but that's not the only part of the equation. I guess the good news is that their desires aren't mutually exclusive. You can show rural whites you're listening without alienating everyone else.
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i refuse to be smug about political positions now. i dont care. i dont care if people hate me. i dont loving care if i have to look a man who wants to hate me to death because of who i am in the face. after all of the poo poo i've gone through, i refuse to give up on people. i know it's fun to say burn it down, but i will be a better person. i wiil not mock the lovely even if i think they hold evil, contemptuous views. i will find what little good there is in them and i will polish and nurture it and pray to loving god that maybe we have a better country in four years.
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Typo posted:the honest truth is things are so unpredictable right now I have no idea what constitutes a "good idea" by 2020 the democratic party is a party of entropy because their policies sent their union democrat base screaming in absolute horror to the republicans and you will never, ever, ever get them back. never. you told them they're horrible racists for wanting to keep their mining and manufacturing jobs because climate change was more important than them. they could "retrain into green energy jobs" that never appeared. the textile mills closed. the furniture factories. the plastics. on and on and on. everything is gone. you shoved through legislation that hiked their health insurance premiums, and called them racists when they told you they couldn't afford it. you raised taxes on small businesses, and mocked them when they protested. terrorist attack after terrorist attack, you told them they should just suck it up and import more people from countries controlled by actual terrorists instead of coming up with proactive solutions to clean up the mess over there. you didn't kill the patriot act, but doubled down on it. their towns and small cities died. you laughed and said they deserved it because they were a bunch of racist uneducated hicks while sipping your organic soy chai lattes in your instagrammed safe space echo chambers. and because the democratic party is that loving stupid, they went after the middle class white collar whites by dramatically increasing the number of H1-B visas for their deep pocket democrat donors' companies. the progressive minded middle class STEM engineers with $100K+ student loan debt are on welfare trying to take care of their elderly parents. they don't loving care anymore about you calling them racists, or that donald trump said mean things. all donald trump had to do was read off drudge report headlines to the democrat base absolutely sick and tired of hearing about social wedge issues that didn't affect them. the smartest thing the democratic party can do is sit back, shut up, and watch the next year or two so they can actually have a seat at the table. but instead of doing the smart thing, the democrats will go after the blue dog democrat senators for not being left enough, and the senate will get a republican super majority in 2018. by the time 2020 rolls around, a good chunk of today's democrats will be the republicans. the democratic party is done because you're still calling your former base a bunch of racists, and the remains are a loose coalition of groups diametrically opposed to one another.
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Strep Vote posted:Goddammit, I know, but he's dismissed the answer like three times already. "Maybe people want you to listen to them?" "No, no, can't be that. It was our message. They are the ones that should be listening to us...BUT HOW???" The fact is you are both right, and everyone is at fault. Those poor whites really did vote against their own self interest while the democrats really do need to listen to them. But listening to them doesn't mean we can do what they want. There is no reviving their industries as they had them, we have to help them in other ways.
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sportsgenius86 posted:A lot of it is condescension through inaction. They're constantly ignored and treated like they'd never vote for a Democrat because of where they live. and trump's strategy of landing his plane at any bumfuck village with a large enough runway paid off dividends
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anime was right posted:i refuse to be smug about political positions now. i dont care. i dont care if people hate me. i dont loving care if i have to look a man who wants to hate me to death because of who i am in the face. after all of the poo poo i've gone through, i refuse to give up on people. i know it's fun to say burn it down, but i will be a better person. i wiil not mock the lovely even if i think they hold evil, contemptuous views. i will find what little good there is in them and i will polish and nurture it and pray to loving god that maybe we have a better country in four years. wow that is super loving gracious of you, i'm sure they will be really grateful when they learn better
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Venom Snake posted:I believed it like an idiot I appreciate your honesty.
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Strep Vote posted:Well guess what? There is a problem. Part of the problem is YOU.  Strep Vote posted:. "Maybe people want you to listen to them?" I am not dismissing this. I am here. Listening.
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Kithkar posted:The fact is you are both right, and everyone is at fault. Those poor whites really did vote against their own self interest while the democrats really do need to listen to them. But listening to them doesn't mean we can do what they want. There is no reviving their industries as they had them, we have to help them in other ways. A sticking point, I think, is that you absolutely loving cannot have the wife of the man perceived as having sent these jobs away in the first loving place stand in front of this demo, shrug, and say the jobs just aren't coming back - oh, and she's coming for coal miners, next. Like holy loving poo poo.
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rum sodomy Rainbow Dash posted:We talk about rural whites, but what about the other side? I heard minority turnout was not as good, and some are blaming this on suppression (first potus election since the Voting Rights Act case) or Clinton just being a poo poo candidate. I don't know the numbers well enough, but to an extent- can you blame urban african-americans for being pretty unexcited right now? After what was supposed to be a real change for PoC's experience in America with Obama's election, 8 years later a lot of them are left feeling like the police have declared open season on them. And what can Obama do to stop it? Make a cool speech? I don't want to pretend I'm smart enough to speak to a fraction of the black experience- but that alone feels like, well, a lot.
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