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steinrokkan posted:Also yes, I think it is rational for somebody convinced he has to choose between literally feeding a family and paying the rent, or allowing you to keep your insurance, the rational choice for them is to choose their own interest. Please tell me what Trump is going to do for you or for those people
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Peel posted:Calling to appeal to working class whites by abandoning racial politics is a call to appeal to one segment of the democratic coalition by abandoning other parts of that coalition, right after an election where the Democrats were undermined by low turnout caused (so the theory goes) by abandoning key parts of their coalition. It's also impossible. A white supremacist is entering the White House, and Black Lives Matter has been around for years. Neither is going away and racially anxious whites will be getting plenty of stimulus to that anxiety no matter what you do. yep dems hosed 20 yrs cuz can't figure out why they lost everything. please keep calling trump white supremacist and burning down liberal elite cities w/ massive protests tyvm bless
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Mirthless posted:Please tell me what Trump is going to do for you or for those people Nobody thinks he will do anything to solve any of that. Please take this contrarian horseshit elsewhere. All the other Hillary posters did, apparently.
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Mirthless, please keep up the message. Don't let these guys get you down. The sooner the Democrats disappear the better.
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Mirthless posted:I remember the specific quote that got you your red text, Mister Fister, if you didn't vote for Trump you were certainly glad to see him win (sadly, he will not force women to strip and parade them through the streets so you can shame them) No, you don't know the specific quote, because it was about me wanting Trump to destroy Hillary in the debates, and then me voting for Hillary afterwards. You live in an alternate reality if you think i'm glad he won.
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Mirthless posted:Please tell me what Trump is going to do for you or for those people Nothing, and it's Hillary's fault that she made herself look worse than a loving zero, sadlol
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Nov 10, 2016 17:09
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A lack of engagement with the voters that sat this election out lost clinton the election, not because a bunch of people on the internet are angry enough to call the people who wanted to vote for an existential threat to minorities, at best, uncaring idiots and at worst the bigots they are
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Shadowhand00 posted:During debates, she should have talked about it rather than just pointing people to her website. I doubt many people even looked at those pages after she mentioned them during actual debate time. i'd wager decent money her website saw nothing in the way of spikes every time she said that
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Peel posted:this thread's conception of naive-college-leftist-millennials, their prevalence, homogeneity, social position and share in the blame for your woes is at least as crude as the stereotype this group is thought to hold of poor white people I don't blame them for any woes, really. It's the party's job to realize that their motivations for voting aren't the same as other subsets of the party and ensure that all of those subsets feel like they're being listened to. I think a bad campaign let that one segment take the reigns and that's why things fell where they fell. They're not really doing anything that their demographic hasn't done for years. It's just that this time the campaign chose to really get behind them at the expense of other sections of the party.
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Mirthless posted:man I don't know why you're spinning this narrative that Trump is a racist don't you know anything about ((((ECONOMIC ANXIETY)))) Its not about Trump its about gently caress you. Now that does include some drat hateful people, but you need to understand that it isn't all of them and telling people how much they loving suck isn't going to fix it.
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The only thing worse than the people who won't accept Hillary was a lovely candidate are the fucks with buyer's remorse ITT either pretending they didn't vote for Trump (after weeks/months of saying they were going to) or trying to distance themselves from the fact that they voted for a dude who was a huge and open and unabashed racist and white supremacist, openly buoyed and supported by racists and white supremacists. I don't care what your reasons were; You will never live this down and if other liberals are smart, they will take their lessons from this, learn and act on them, reach out better to the people who voted for Trump, but they will NEVER forgive the people in their immediate personal and social lives for the horrible loving thing they did, because there needs to be consequences, esp. in their peer group, for voting for Trump.
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Zythrst posted:Its not about Trump its about gently caress you. Now that does include some drat hateful people, but you need to understand that it isn't all of them and telling people how much they loving suck isn't going to fix it. This isn't about fixing it, it's about punishing people who punish me for not being as healthy as them, lol Nobody should get a free pass for voting for Trump, sorry!
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Mirthless posted:Please tell me what Trump is going to do for you or for those people Well they'll get an empty promise to make their lives better, which is one empty promise more than the dems were giving them.
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lol mirthless is everything that is wrong with democrats
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steinrokkan posted:Nothing, and it's Hillary's fault that she made herself look worse than a loving zero, sadlol All I can feel is pity and sadness for the people driven to a border-line animalistic state by their own hosed up circumstances and by the utter disregard and contempt piled on them by both parties.
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the whole go to hillaryclinton.com thing is utterly amazing thinking about it for more than 5 seconds now you're on a goddamn national stage being watched by 80+ million people and you won't list a single policy you're running on and instead tell everyone to go look at your website WHAT THE gently caress
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Karl Barks posted:lol mirthless is everything that is wrong with democrats Surely he will end the mineshaft gap.
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Mirthless I don't think anyone here voted trump. Can you go make your own thread to argue with ghosts in please.
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Mirthless posted:The only thing worse than the people who won't accept Hillary was a lovely candidate are the fucks with buyer's remorse ITT either pretending they didn't vote for Trump (after weeks/months of saying they were going to) or trying to distance themselves from the fact that they voted for a dude who was a huge and open and unabashed racist and white supremacist, openly buoyed and supported by racists and white supremacists. Yeah, if you are any indication, the consequence will be the final death of the Democratic Party of America.
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man that trump fellow sure is bad huh? good thing i'm not him what are you running on again? go to hillaryclinton.com to find out!!!
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the whole go to hillaryclinton.com thing is utterly amazing thinking about it for more than 5 seconds now Check out my website Go to martinomalley.com
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Mirthless posted:This isn't about fixing it, it's about punishing people who punish me for not being as healthy as them, lol Jesus Christ dude you supported Hillary strongly throughout everything. The person that literally got Trump elected. Remember folks, a vote for Hillary was a vote for Trump.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the whole go to hillaryclinton.com thing is utterly amazing thinking about it for more than 5 seconds now Yes. It sounded intensely cringe-worthy on stage, but I assumed that there must have been a reason for it, and that people would actually do that and go look at her policies. and now we have Venom Snake telling us that it was a deliberate choice for Hillary to not actually talk about substantive economic policy on stage, because it might turn off voters, and this whole concept of just pointing to her website and telling voters to make up their minds seems incompetent on a ghastly, horrible level.
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, if you are any indication, the consequence will be the final death of the Democratic Party of America. If you are any indication, we'll be in this same place in 2028 completely flabbergasted that we've followed another amazing two-term democrat president with a total turnover to a Republican incompetent
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Mirthless posted:This isn't about fixing it, it's about punishing people who punish me for not being as healthy as them, lol So you going to go kill them then?
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NumberLast posted:Jesus Christ dude you supported Hillary strongly throughout everything. The person that literally got Trump elected. I supported Hillary starting in May, after supporting Bernie throughout the primary.
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trump won because the racist bernie bros voted trump - biting political analysis from forums poster mirthless
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Mirthless posted:The only thing worse than the people who won't accept Hillary was a lovely candidate are the fucks with buyer's remorse ITT either pretending they didn't vote for Trump (after weeks/months of saying they were going to) or trying to distance themselves from the fact that they voted for a dude who was a huge and open and unabashed racist and white supremacist, openly buoyed and supported by racists and white supremacists. Search my history and show me where i ever said i was going to vote for Trump. Hell, even search that specific quote in my red title (hint, it doesn't include the part of me saying i'll vote for Hillary). Mirthless, you're wrong like 90% of the time and you're projecting hard, believing that everyone who criticizes certain segments of the left are unabashed racists who probably voted for Trump.
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Mirthless posted:If you are any indication, we'll be in this same place in 2028 completely flabbergasted that we've followed another amazing two-term democrat president with a total turnover to a Republican incompetent I will try to learn how to hate more people I don't know with Stalin's burning passion, I won't disappoint you.
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Karl Barks posted:trump won because the racist bernie bros voted trump - biting political analysis from forums poster mirthless I didn't say that?
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Mirthless posted:I didn't say that? wow but you have so much experience putting words in other people's mouths
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Mirthless posted:I didn't say that? You're telling a room full of Bernie supporters they voted for Trump.
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Mirthless, have you for one second considered how you would help their issues, or are you simply content with sacrificing their priorities ïn favor of yours, while them doing the same is a crime against humanity? They need to be punished for not giving you what you need, but you don't seem at all concerned about giving them what they need. And honestly lots of people have way more poo poo on their plate than whether they can get their Zoloft. steinrokkan has issued a correction as of 17:21 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:man that trump fellow sure is bad huh? good thing i'm not him HannibalBarca posted:Yes. It sounded intensely cringe-worthy on stage, but I assumed that there must have been a reason for it, and that people would actually do that and go look at her policies. and now we have Venom Snake telling us that it was a deliberate choice for Hillary to not actually talk about substantive economic policy on stage, because it might turn off voters, and this whole concept of just pointing to her website and telling voters to make up their minds seems incompetent on a ghastly, horrible level. also imagine being a poor rural white voter who maybe has a decades old computer or maybe no computer at all and only has a landline phone saying poo poo like "go check out my website!" isn't even speaking the same loving language
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Zythrst posted:So you going to go kill them then? I'm serious btw, either you got to change the culture of hate by offering something better, or your eventually going to have to go war. I mean literal bang bang bullets war.
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steinrokkan posted:Mirthless, have you for one second considered how you would help their issues, or are you simply content with sacrificing their priorities ïn favor of yours, while them doing the same is a crime against humanity? They need to be punished for not giving you what you need, but you don't seem at all concerned about giving them what they need. I didn't say their issues were invalid or that they didn't need help I didn't even take umbrage with the take that they voted for Trump for a reason My objection was to a poster saying that it's an incorrect assertion to say that people who voted for Trump have low opinions of minorities and women; This is not an incorrect assertion, it is a statement of fact. If you voted for someone whose stated position is to round up 14 million people into internment camps, punish abortionesses with prison terms, and roll back our most basic race protections, you do not care about women, black people, or the gays. It is possible to acknowledge somebody did something for a good reason without downplaying the weight of the terrible thing they did. Zythrst posted:I'm serious btw, either you got to change the culture of hate by offering something better, or your eventually going to have to go war. I mean literal bang bang bullets war. How do you change a culture of hate if it's verboten to call hate what it is when you see it?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the whole go to hillaryclinton.com thing is utterly amazing thinking about it for more than 5 seconds now IIRC the context was that during the debates Trump would gish-gallop about her positions and instead of trying to respond (and potentially making his objections seem legitimate to viewers) she would direct people to actually read her platform and decide for themselves if Trump's criticisms were valid. Honestly the televised debate format is terrible so I'm sympathetic to that approach, especially when the opponent is arguing in bad faith. Keep in mind I know nothing about how to appeal to voters or winning debates and I'm probably just another idiot on the internet.
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lol if you thought Clintonism would die immediately http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/politics/their-leadership-lean-democrats-turn-an-eye-to-rebuilding.html?_r=0 quote:“We don’t know who will emerge as a leader,” said Matt Bennett, the president of Third Way, a centrist Democratic organization. “Chuck Schumer will probably emerge as a congressional leader. Nationally, it’s going to take some time for a leader to emerge.” his profile on his think tank bio literally has this as the first line sounds like a winner imo quote:As a 23-year-old campaign staffer, Matt Bennett helped stage the infamous “Dukakis in a tank" photo-op that helped sink Michael Dukakis' 1988 presidential campaign. Matt would never again put a candidate in a tank (other than a think tank), but now he's a long-serving veteran of many political wars. also purge the party imo quote:Bill Richardson, the Democratic former governor of New Mexico, said Tuesday’s vote was more than anything a “pro-Trump, anti-establishment punch.” But he said Democrats had their work cut out for them as they tried to rebuild.
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Mirthless posted:How do you change a culture of hate if it's verboten to call hate what it is when you see it? by offering an alternative you giant dumbass
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Mirthless posted:
My objection is you blatantly putting words in my mouth that i never said or meant and then implying that i voted for Trump when you have no proof of that. You're basically the roadblock to a healthier Democratic Party. I've only said i would vote for Sanders, and then grudgingly vote for Hillary when it was apparent he wouldn't win the nomination.
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