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Karl Barks posted:it's crazy how they were literally wrong about everything haha it doesnt feel very liberating to be right about this
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how many affluent white libs do yall think cried away their sorrows in a hamilton showing this week
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LmaoTheKid posted:BERNIE IS BAD BECAUSE HES NOT HELPING DOWN TICKET!!!!!!! - Hillpeople back in May. These are the same people belittling Millenials for not having jobs with no consequences in this forum. This is why hugboxes are bad. Edit: I mean poo poo, they were openly mocking Millenials for their poor economic prospects.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what the gently caress did they spend money on if not downticket races that needed help? 450 mil on Hamilton tickes?!?!?!? sensual pantsuits
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Oh Snapple! posted:hint this is why you lost i genuinely don't care if we lost because the human race can't handle calling bad people what they are if that's actually the case we deserve trump and his nuclear fires
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Nov 10, 2016 18:16
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what the gently caress did they spend money on if not downticket races that needed help? 450 mil on Hamilton tickets?!?!?!? they burned through money quickly on a PR / social media team rip that entire career field
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what the gently caress did they spend money on if not downticket races that needed help? 450 mil on Hamilton tickets?!?!?!? they were chasing goddamn rainbows with it. "Oh, we're gonna win white women! We're gonna flip Arizona! We're gonna flip Georgia! We're gonna be competitive in Texas! We're gonna win college educated whites!" And it's all just a smoking crater now.
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Pomp posted:i genuinely don't care if we lost because the human race can't handle calling bad people what they are 👏 this 👏 is 👏 not 👏 what 👏 anyone 👏 is 👏 saying 👏👏👏
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Mister Fister posted:These are the same people belittling Millenials for not having jobs with no consequences in this forum. This is why hugboxes are bad. The random out of nowhere Bernie finger wagging that was happening in that thread up to election day was just crazy to me. I voted for her even though Bernie was is and always will be My Guy but it left a really loving bad taste in my mouth.
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Pomp posted:i genuinely don't care if we lost because the human race can't handle calling bad people what they are What the gently caress is a "bad" person? In what world are you living where half the population are "bad" people?
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HannibalBarca posted:they were chasing goddamn rainbows with it. "Oh, we're gonna win white women! We're gonna flip Arizona! We're gonna flip Georgia! We're gonna be competitive in Texas! We're gonna win college educated whites!" *insert Sulk and co posting about a Blue Texas with the j/o emoticon while whispering YASSS QWEEEENNN*
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Pomp posted:i genuinely don't care if we lost because the human race can't handle calling bad people what they are to spell it out further, you lost because telling poor and disadvantaged people that they're not poor and disadvantaged enough is a loving stupid line to take
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HannibalBarca posted:they were chasing goddamn rainbows with it. "Oh, we're gonna win white women! We're gonna flip Arizona! We're gonna flip Georgia! We're gonna be competitive in Texas! We're gonna win college educated whites!" I read this in Howard Dean's voice. Just needed to add a "BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH" at the end.
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I took money out of an ATM in Burlington once and Dean was behind me in line wearing pants covered in paint. Real salt of the earth guy!
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Oh Snapple! posted:to spell it out further, you lost because telling poor and disadvantaged people that they're not poor and disadvantaged enough is a loving stupid line to take
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LmaoTheKid posted:BERNIE IS BAD BECAUSE HES NOT HELPING DOWN TICKET!!!!!!! - Hillpeople back in May. Meanwhile we all watched her loot the downticket in real time. All that poo poo the Bernie supporters were roasted for...
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Frosted Flake posted:What the gently caress is a "bad" person? In what world are you living where half the population are "bad" people? the world where i had to movie halfway across a continent to be safe from people like mike pence the world experiencing a global wave of fascism the world that thinks healthcare isn't a basic human right uhhh ect.?
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LmaoTheKid posted:I took money out of an ATM in Burlington once and Dean was behind me in line wearing pants covered in paint. Real salt of the earth guy! And now he's a healthcare lobbyist lmbo
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Pomp posted:i genuinely don't care if we lost because the human race can't handle calling bad people what they are if you want someone to vote for you then your entire campaign can't consist of calling them stupid assholes and shaming them
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So basically Clinton lost for all the same exact reasons why she lost the primary in 2008. This is all so obvious to me now for so many different reasons but at the time my feeling was that she had learned from her mistakes and was following Obama's model to the presidency. L M A O
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Fiction posted:BLM is primarily an urban movement because of how segregated America is. Rural voters might have some Opinions on them, but they aren't going to lash out at a helping hand because it's also promised to reform the police. I live in rural TN and I have had absolutely zero luck trying to convince multiple trump supporters that BLM is NOT a terrorist organization. They don't think the police can do wrong therefore they have no reason to reform them.
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Oh Snapple! posted:to spell it out further, you lost because telling poor and disadvantaged people that they're not poor and disadvantaged enough is a loving stupid line to take He is one of the bad people. He looks down on the poor unless they have an out.
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exquisite tea posted:So basically Clinton lost for all the same exact reasons why she lost the primary in 2008. This is all so obvious to me now for so many different reasons but at the time my feeling was that she had learned from her mistakes and was following Obama's model to the presidency. L M A O She did follow Obama's model. The problem was that the model no longer applied, and the people responsible for fitting the model to the current electorate completely failed to do so. They thought that their GOTV supercomputer could do it all without actually stopping to think about WHY people vote.
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tadashi posted:If the Clintons think anything other than going off on sabbatical for 4 years is a good idea for them.... we're dead. Look at what it did for John Kerry. Democrats loving loved him in '08 because it was like he was a completely different person. They loved Al Gore in 2006 because he could get on calls with voters and joke about winning the '00 election. at this point the clintons and all of their hangers-on need to just disappear for ever and never show their face in public again I mean maybe after four or eight years we'll credit them the rest of eternity and let them come back on dodecatuple super secret probation but as it stands hillary clinton lost so badly and so decisively it was almost like that was her plan from the beginning
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what the gently caress did they spend money on if not downticket races that needed help? 450 mil on Hamilton tickets?!?!?!? Lady Gaga and Katy Perry don't work for free.
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Frosted Flake posted:What the gently caress is a "bad" person? In what world are you living where half the population are "bad" people? Most people are bad people. Probably the vast majority are bad people in some way or other. Especially the people with the power and desire to make things better. Convincing bad people to work together and achieve good things is the goal. Fullhouse posted:if you want someone to vote for you then your entire campaign can't consist of calling them stupid assholes and shaming them What's funny is that the Dems could have won even then if they had a message that was stronger, that could get them to grudgingly go out to the polls at least out of pure self interest, but they couldn't even do that.
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exquisite tea posted:So basically Clinton lost for all the same exact reasons why she lost the primary in 2008. This is all so obvious to me now for so many different reasons but at the time my feeling was that she had learned from her mistakes and was following Obama's model to the presidency. L M A O they hired all of the obama people they could but all the good ones went to the corporate boards of uber and gofundme so she got the awful ones lamo
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Oh Snapple! posted:to spell it out further, you lost because telling poor and disadvantaged people that they're not poor and disadvantaged enough is a loving stupid line to take I don't begrudge them desperately grasping for the air the cheeto clown will never actually give them, and it was a failure of the Hillary campaign to not vocally reach out to them but when push comes to shove they don't care about the people that trump is an existential threat to, and i can't comprehend how they fell for the man's blatant lies and everyone who stayed home is an idiot yes it was hillary's job to reach out to those idiots, but they're still loving careless idiots i know multiple people who will likely lose their insurance and actually, literally, not exaggerating die when ACA is repealed, and many of the same people who didn't go out an vote or voted for trump will go through the same poo poo and god dammit I can be mad at multiple people for miserably failing our most vulnerable, including themselves, at once they're never going to read these posts either so who gives a gently caress cspam bitches
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tadashi posted:The problem with Democrats is that it's like they look at elections in 4 year cycles and Republicans look at every day as a new opportunity to gently caress with Democrats. The problem is, as both Trump and Tea part prove, they are extremely adaptable and realize party politics is a intercompetive team sport not a fraternal order. Right leaning compassionate converstivism not working? Let's go with Right Leaning insane lolibertrianism. That not getting votes and getting our asses kicked? Nativism and nationalism will do it then. Democrats? "Uh, Woke Technocratic Captalism not working? We have to try harder! gently caress the socialist who wants to win"
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https://twitter.com/HawthorneLAT/status/796765393121480704 How could no one, and I include my own not-at-all important views in this, see that there might be an issue up in the Rust Belt?
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Pomp posted:but when push comes to shove they don't care about the people that trump is an existential threat to, and i can't comprehend how they fell for the man's blatant lies People who drown, usually, will drown another person to get leverage to breathe air if their desperate enough.
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I remember hearing at one point Hillary believed that she had been "out cooled" by Obama and that was also why he had beaten McCain and Romney. It wasn't because his policies were actually more progressive than hers and that voters wanted change.
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Astroclassicist posted:https://twitter.com/HawthorneLAT/status/796765393121480704 campaign surrogates like Sanders post-primary just take marching orders from the campaign and have no idea of the mechanics of the race beyond what they are told and what they read and see. he probably didn't know the hillary campaign's internal rust belt poll numbers not like it would have mattered anyway because their algorithm was garbage lamo
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Pomp posted:but when push comes to shove they don't care about the [other] people This describes the default situation for vulnerable and oppressed groups everywhere. Because why wouldn't they be? Why should you give a gently caress for anyone else when no is going to give a gently caress about you? That's not how people's minds work. If you want vulnerable groups to turn out for you, you need to give them a reason to care, and you need to include them. You can't just keep asking them to sacrifice for the benefit of others and expect them to respond with enthusiasm, even if the sacrifices are small, especially if those others have no intent of returning the favour.
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Pomp posted:but when push comes to shove they don't care about the people that trump is an existential threat to, and i can't comprehend how they fell for the man's blatant lies You don't understand or give a poo poo about them, they don't understand or give a poo poo about you. If you want to change that, find common ground, because otherwise this is pretty much how it's going to be for a long time.
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Like, we don't generally poo poo on the feminism movement even though it was driven largely by racism and built many of it's successes on horribly lovely racist rhetoric, because feminists can become allies and in doing so we can help them (good, because their primary aim is good if not the underlying motivation) and get their help in return on racial issues (also good, obviously) and when we work together like that pursuing mutual benefits you suddenly get a feminism that is a lot less racist, and has a history of being able to rely on minorities for help and an actual desire to help them back.
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Pomp posted:every one hosed up and i'm mad at every one of us
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