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I don't think it was a mistake to trust the consensus of polling and try for important bonuses like propositions. We know the polling was systematically wrong now, but going with your gut feeling over what reputable polls tell you will burn you more often than not. Bill Mitchell was lucky, not insightful. The problem was aiming for electoral votes in landslide states at the cost of maintaining your firewall in case of a polling error, because bonus electoral votes don't actually get you anything.
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Pomp posted:every one hosed up and i'm mad at every one of us yeah, that's perfectly understandable but after that, what the gently caress happens next? like, what the gently caress do we do when we get the anger out of our systems? do we want the anger out of our systems?
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Well What Now posted:yeah, that's perfectly understandable Guillotines
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:Guillotines Obviously, but in addition something more along the lines of how do you get involved with the Democratic party and try to influence it for the better?
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Trump didn't have a coherent vision of the future, but he was the only one running with a coherent vision of the present. It just happened to be based on white supremacy instead of what's actually causing the problems in the first place.
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Pomp posted:every one hosed up and i'm mad at every one of us Yep. But what could we have done? Robby Mook wasn't gonna listen to me.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what the gently caress did they spend money on if not downticket races that needed help? 450 mil on Hamilton tickets?!?!?!? Astroturf.
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Adventure Pigeon posted:You don't understand or give a poo poo about them, they don't understand or give a poo poo about you. If you want to change that, find common ground, because otherwise this is pretty much how it's going to be for a long time. i'm a white person with no college education who grew up dirt poor in southern trailer parks and I still don't understand what kept trump bullshit from being exceedingly transparent to 59,704,886 people Well What Now posted:do we want the anger out of our systems? No. It's the same leftist anger and despair that Bernie tapped into. Anger is not necessarily a destructive force, it's a catalyst. It motivates us to get up and do something. I'm a human, and i'm comin' (just don't get mad at video games please)
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Mirthless posted:If you voted for Trump you hate women, the disabled, and minorities, period, full stop, sorry If you voted for Hillary you hate Muslims, South American democracy, transparency in politics, etc.
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the trump tutelage posted:If you voted for Hillary you hate Muslims, South American democracy, transparency in politics, etc. ...touche. yeah, sorry guys, I'm pretty salty. 
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Peel posted:I don't think it was a mistake to trust the consensus of polling and try for important bonuses like propositions. We know the polling was systematically wrong now, but going with your gut feeling over what reputable polls tell you will burn you more often than not. Bill Mitchell was lucky, not insightful. Polling wasn't that off. LV models were extremely off.
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Pomp posted:i'm a white person with no college education who grew up dirt poor in southern trailer parks and I still don't understand what kept trump bullshit from being exceedingly transparent to 59,704,886 people For a lot of them, that was the only thing they had. If Hillary had given them an alternative vision, maybe things would've been different. I suppose shout your policy from on high until everyone knows it is a pretty valuable lesson in all this.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Polling wasn't that off. LV models were extremely off. I consider those part of but yeah, that seems to have been the particular problem.
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Strep Vote posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/orientdistress/status/796664869764419584#tweet_796664869764419584 https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/even-in-the-darkest-of-times?utm_term=.utgk26yk#.yhA5lgZ5 welp.
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Remember that one black 19 year old who was supporting Trump and allegedly skewing the polls 5 points in Trump's favor?Dapper_Swindler posted:https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/even-in-the-darkest-of-times?utm_term=.utgk26yk#.yhA5lgZ5 I've been watching The Office on repeat and yearning for the days when we re-elected a war mongering lying republican but it was ok becuase I wasn't going to have to move to Canada because my family's financial future was at stake if we lose the ACA.
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Strep Vote posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/orientdistress/status/796664869764419584#tweet_796664869764419584 liberals.txt
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tadashi posted:Remember that one black 19 year old who was supporting Trump and allegedly skewing the polls 5 points in Trump's favor? The LAT poll was still well off, though to its credit no more off than the others in the final analysis.
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Venom Snake posted:B. Warren has given up. Bernie is also on the verge of throwing in the the towel. The only person I know willing to present opposition/unification right now is the Tim Kaine crowd/NOVA dems who believe we should rally around Bernie's primary message. Even if he himself won't do it. Looks like I've got some work to do in the next four years. (<-- lives in NOVA)
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Adventure Pigeon posted:For a lot of them, that was the only thing they had. If Hillary had given them an alternative vision, maybe things would've been different. This is why Bernie immediately went to the stump speech in the debates btw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkPadFK34o yup, make keith the dnc chairman do it
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anime was right posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHkPadFK34o Its a good start. Bernies pick.
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the trump tutelage posted:If you voted for Hillary you hate Muslims, South American democracy, transparency in politics, etc. I don't know what the long-term answer is, but I'm amazed at how aggressively some of the left-wing public icons/heroes are trying to shame the very people who didn't vote for them in the first place, like that's going to be helpful in any way. fer example, both Sam B and the Daily Show had segments last night where they literally screamed into the camera, directly shouting at "white women" for being gender traitors and not voting whatever way they should have voted. "HOW DARE YOU NOT VOTE FOR HRC DON'T YOU KNOW SHE HAS A VAGINA AND TRUMP WANTS TO GRAB VAGINAS? YOU'RE TOO DUMB TO MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES GOING FORWARD THANKS A LOT WHITE WOMEN!!!!!" I get the whole frothing with rage thing because your candidate lost, and I get that people who are significantly disadvantaged already are likely to become screwed even more severely, but you've got to leverage that hate into something productive. screaming at a group of people who didn't vote for you about how dumb they are for not voting for you isn't going to endear them to you the next go-around. I feel like there should be a ton more effort to figure out why those people who were expected to lock the election for HRC either didn't vote for her, or didn't show up at all, and not in a snarky way like: "why didn't you vote for the only candidate that was ordained to be the sole champion of your gender?" <explanation> "oh what was that, I couldn't hear your answer over all the stupid that was coming out of your mouth!" *mugs for camera with 'can you believe this moron?' jon stewart face* edit: I guess that's the biggest lesson I see; the entire left-wing media machine spent a whole lot of time trying to show the average TRUMP voters how dumb they were with clever word-play and by making silly faces at people while they gave their actual attention, and it accomplished gently caress-all. I know private entities (Viacom, TBS, CBS, etc.) don't have any obligation to do anything other than entertain, but you'd hope the talent involved in those programs would realize at some point that they do have the ability to influence our culture, whether they want it or not, and that they'd figure out at least how to not gently caress up their own goals. Freaking Crumbum has issued a correction as of 19:34 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Freaking Crumbum posted:I don't know what the long-term answer is, but I'm amazed at how aggressively some of the left-wing public icons/heroes are trying to shame the very people who didn't vote for them in the first place, like that's going to be helpful in any way. Sam B has no credibility.
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:I live in rural TN and I have had absolutely zero luck trying to convince multiple trump supporters that BLM is NOT a terrorist organization. They don't think the police can do wrong therefore they have no reason to reform them. to be fair TN will never go blue
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Zythrst posted:Sam B has no credibility. I don't mean like she's a nobel prize laureate who should know better; I mean if you're a rational person and you have a media platform that you can leverage to try and accomplish goals that you personally believe in, you might want to figure out how to do so without stomping all over your own dick. if you're only there to entertain people that's cool, but you can still do that in a way that doesn't gently caress up stuff you might actually want accomplished.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/even-in-the-darkest-of-times?utm_term=.utgk26yk#.yhA5lgZ5 Never ceases to amaze me that the comfort blanket of the left is the loving story of magic Oxbridge sending you an acceptance letter even though you didn't apply. Silly wizard, labor is for muggles!
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Freaking Crumbum posted:I don't know what the long-term answer is, but I'm amazed at how aggressively some of the left-wing public icons/heroes are trying to shame the very people who didn't vote for them in the first place, like that's going to be helpful in any way. haha you are gonna get angry a lot more over the next 4 years as the dems repeat this poo poo over and over again because they are dumb
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HannibalBarca posted:Some more grist for the mill on my "the machine failed" analysis of this election: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/305339-clinton-world-dumbfounded-by-hillarys-election-defeat
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Zythrst posted:Sam B has no credibility. lol Sam B will be why the dems are gonna keep losing "white males are the enemy" welp why are we losing by alienating the most reliable voter demographic?
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Freaking Crumbum posted:I don't know what the long-term answer is, but I'm amazed at how aggressively some of the left-wing public icons/heroes are trying to shame the very people who didn't vote for them in the first place, like that's going to be helpful in any way. same reason thousands of people went out last night to stand in their cities and protest, and tons of people shared big long Facebook posts calling the entire country a white supremacist racist hateland: makes them feel better about themselves without having to do any of the hard parts of effecting change
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So, now that gun control as a national issue is completely dead, can liberals/Democratic pols finally, mercifully, give it the gently caress up? 50% of my extended family is rural and liberal, and nearly all of them voted Trump based on gun control.
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lolquote:Given Clinton’s primary loss to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in Michigan, allies questioned why the Democratic nominee didn’t double down in the state much earlier.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:So, now that gun control as a national issue is completely dead, can liberals/Democratic pols finally, mercifully, give it the gently caress up? 50% of my extended family is rural and liberal, and nearly all of them voted Trump based on gun control. no because the democrats are idiots and probably don't understand you can just pass gun control laws in blue states and if the red states wants to shoot at each other so be it
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Typo posted:lol Sam B will be why the dems are gonna keep losing Well to her family Black males may be the enemy too.
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Typo posted:haha you are gonna get angry a lot more over the next 4 years as the dems repeat this poo poo over and over again because they are dumb I would have had the same question, but going the other direction, if HRC had won. TRUMP engendered a ton of nationalist / racist / etc. sentiments and emboldened a ton of people who have some terrible opinions, and even if he had lost by the landslide that HRC's team was predicting, all of those people who had voted for him weren't going to just vanish into the aether. I would have still been curious to see what HRC/the Dems would have done to either placate those people or educate them or whatever, because her entire campaign otherwise seemed to alternate between pretending they didn't exist or else trying to shame them into changing whatever awful opinions they already held, but at no point was it evident that there was any kind of outreach to try and figure out just why so many of these people came out of the woodwork for TRUMP.
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