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the entire material world works on monkey's paw principles, dehumanize yourself and face to gnosticism
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Mr Enderby posted:Please don't. Based on what happened to Hegel, I'm worried Orthodox prayers work on Monkey's Paw rules.
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Nov 10, 2016 01:20
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:the entire material world works on monkey's paw principles, dehumanize yourself and face to gnosticism 
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Nov 10, 2016 02:53
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I've been reading an autobiography of a Romanian Anglican/Lutheran called Richard Wurmbrand who was persecuted under the Communist regime there for his beliefs. What strikes me is how love is incredibly important, especially love toward the people who hate and hurt you. His story has numerous accounts of his abuse and mistreatment (to be honest I feel it goes too far in how explicit the account is in places) but the encouraging thing is how he still manages to love his enemies and how God uses that to touch the lives of those around him in prison. So if you struggle in your heart with hate for Trump I would encourage you to seek God to speak to change that part no matter how humanly impossible it may seem. Jesus Christ will encourage you in your efforts.Luke 6:27-36 posted:“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:11
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I've gotten lots of consolation today from reading Julian of Norwich (who owns, plz read her if you haven't). This bit in particular really struck me:Julian of Norwich posted:And in this, he shewed a little thing the quantity of an haselnot, lying in the palme of my hand as me semide, and it was as round as any balle. I looked theran with the eye of my understanding and thought: "What may this be?" And it was answered generally thus: "It is all that is made." I marveled how it might last, for methought it might sodenly have fallen to nought for littlenes. And I was answered in my understanding: "It lasteth and ever shall, for God loveth it. And so hath all thing being by the love of God."
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Nov 10, 2016 05:33
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c'mon Julian learn real English, this is Trump's America, gtfo e: I can parse all of that except "semide," what's the translation? Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Nov 10, 2016 06:19
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"as me semide" is "as meseemed", or "as it seemed to me".
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Nov 10, 2016 07:30
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Dude, are you quoting the Bible? Get the hell outta here. big Dietrich Bonhoeffer fan here as well
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Nov 10, 2016 07:45
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Pellisworth posted:c'mon Julian learn real English, this is Trump's America, gtfo dammit why is English so weird (Danish is worse, sorry Tias it's mostly gargling noises) jeg vil som vi skal vaere venner? jeg boede i Glostrup paa efteraare 2007 og min dansk er horrible Apparently ability to pronounce Danish is genetic and I have a gift for the swallowing and vomiting of Danish syllables  Denmark was pretty cool (and wet, seriously your weather loving sucks) e: which is to say, please poly-marriage me and let me escape to your socialist utopia of pickled fish and liquor Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Nov 10, 2016 07:53
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Mr Enderby posted:Please don't. Based on what happened to Hegel, I'm worried Orthodox prayers work on Monkey's Paw rules.
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Nov 10, 2016 10:29
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Yeah, considering Brexit, Hey Gal is not out the woods yet. I'd invite any of you to crash on my (future) couch, but I can't do that since it might soon become my future Russian couch. If you want to point finger at horrible pro Trump people, there's always 4chan.
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Pellisworth posted:dammit why is English so weird Don't start, I haven't forgiven you for calling me a swamp scandinavian( or was that JcDent? I forget). Actually, we've had neo-con/xenophobe governance for 10 years, and are placing asylum seekers in concentration camps. Liquor abounds, though if you're marrying me there will be none of that mister  Tuxedo Catfish posted:the entire material world works on monkey's paw principles, dehumanize yourself and face to gnosticism What are monkey's paw principles 
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Nov 10, 2016 10:55
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Tias posted:What are monkey's paw principles
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Nov 10, 2016 10:57
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HEY GAL posted:there is a famous short story in the english language about a magical severed monkey's paw that grants your wish...but in a darkly hosed up form, so you turn out worse than if you had made the wish. so english people and americans use "monkey's paw" as a shorthand for that. I've read it, but how am I to understand the phrase "the entire material world works on monkey's paw principles", idgi
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Nov 10, 2016 11:08
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Tias posted:I've read it, but how am I to understand the phrase "the entire material world works on monkey's paw principles", idgi
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Nov 10, 2016 11:15
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HEY GAL posted:"everything is out to gently caress you and only if you're lucky will it use lube" Ah. I will face to gnosticism, then 
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You had him at "lube" E: Pretty sure that it wasn't me who called you a swamp scandinavian. The only swamp-somethings are the swamp mongols north of Estonia
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Nov 10, 2016 12:01
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Mo Tzu posted:also, the only good fascist continues to be a dead fascist. this is known Lord have mercy on this thread.
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Nov 10, 2016 12:01
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JcDent posted:You had him at "lube" Found it! PPELLISOWOOORTH posted:Tias probably has better knowledge of it, being a swamp Scandinavian, but wasn't the Norwegian mass-murderer Anders Breivik sort of Christian? Or at least his manifesto and ranting are coming from a fundamentalist right-wing Christian perspective even if he himself wasn't particularly devout.
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Nov 10, 2016 12:07
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swamp german is still the best word for the goddamn dutch and i will hate the dutch forever for what they did to spain 1648 never forgeeeeeeeeeeeet 
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Nov 10, 2016 12:39
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HEY GAL posted:swamp german is still the best word for the goddamn dutch and i will hate the dutch forever for what they did to spain 1648 never forgeeeeeeeeeeeet I am a big fan of Potato Germans myself.
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Nov 10, 2016 12:46
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Paladinus posted:I am a big fan of Potato Germans myself. "Herbel-Schmidt" is the most German surname possible and it's amazing that it can be found in Denmark of all places Also a fan of "Dickes, Dürr" (= fat, skinny)
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Nov 10, 2016 14:27
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JcDent posted:You had him at "lube" I'd shank you but I have my leg stuck in my backyard bog. e: and getting help would require social contact, sober
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Nov 10, 2016 15:44
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CountFosco posted:Lord have mercy on this thread. i was a liberation theologian, make of that what you will
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The Phlegmatist posted:Clinton would have won if her or her team actually engaged in dialogue with the fractured Christian Right. I've never seen so many evangelical pastoral leaders denounce a Republican candidate before, but the evangelical voters all turned out in record numbers to vote for Trump anyway. By far the most important issue for the Christian Right is abortion. With one candidate being heavily pro-choice and the other going strongly pro-life, there was always only one option for them.
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Nov 10, 2016 16:53
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by the way, is there any significance to a sideways cross (think scandinavian flag) pendant?
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JcDent posted:by the way, is there any significance to a sideways cross (think scandinavian flag) pendant? sideways cross bracelets are trendy in some countries, but i've never seen a pendant
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Samuel Clemens posted:By far the most important issue for the Christian Right is abortion. With one candidate being heavily pro-choice and the other going strongly pro-life, there was always only one option for them. an issue manufactured by the republican party and evangelical leaders from whole cloth never forget that abortion used to be known as "that weirdo catholic thing"
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Samuel Clemens posted:By far the most important issue for the Christian Right is abortion. With one candidate being heavily pro-choice and the other going strongly pro-life, there was always only one option for them. There was a lot of hesitancy towards Trump during the primary season in evangelical circles since they weren't really sure Trump was actually pro-life especially compared to Ted Cruz. But you're right that it's the single biggest wedge issue for evangelicals; even a lot of more liberal evangelicals will vote for conservatives simply based on their stances on abortion.
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Samuel Clemens posted:By far the most important issue for the Christian Right is abortion. With one candidate being heavily pro-choice and the other going strongly pro-life, there was always only one option for them. Until this election I was a single-issue anti-abortion voter; by some definitions I still am, because I was more comfortable voting for a candidate whose policies, in general, would have reduced the number of abortions, than a candidate who admitted to having wanted one of his wives to get an abortion, and who I don't think is pro-life any more than he was pro-any-other-of-his-promises. Given how strongly Evangelical leaders either denounced or refused-to-support Trump, and how much Evangelicals are rumored to follow their leaders, I was actually surprised that the denouncing and non-supporting didn't 'take', so to speak. (edited, because HEY GAL noticed that I had a thinko) zonohedron fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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zonohedron posted:Until this election I was a single-issue pro-abortion voter
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HEY GAL posted:we don't agree on that much, zone; fix yer typos thank you for catching my thinko
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Mr Enderby posted:Goongratulations. Of course you're just jumping out of the frying-pan into the garbage fire. I'm a straight white Christian man, I have double prayer point score in America
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zonohedron posted:thank you for catching my thinko
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zonohedron posted:Given how strongly Evangelical leaders either denounced or refused-to-support Trump, and how much Evangelicals are rumored to follow their leaders, I was actually surprised that the denouncing and non-supporting didn't 'take', so to speak. I was pretty shocked too, since there were well-respected evangelicals coming out against Trump. I assume that somehow it never transferred to the pulpit. much less the pews. And the whole Spirit Cooking thing blowing up in evangelical circles the week before the election didn't help matters. That's just a horrifying political misstep that never should have happened. e: Keep in mind evangelicals have a long history of supporting progressive causes like abolitionism, environmentalism and animal rights. Being attached at the hip with the Republican party is maybe like sixty years old at most. It's not like we can't turn this ship around. e2: And also is the greater left just going to ignore the nascent movement within evangelical Christianity to do just that? The Phlegmatist fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Nov 10, 2016 18:37
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The Phlegmatist posted:e2: And also is the greater left just going to ignore the nascent movement within evangelical Christianity to do just that?
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The Phlegmatist posted:There was a lot of hesitancy towards Trump during the primary season in evangelical circles since they weren't really sure Trump was actually pro-life especially compared to Ted Cruz. I don't think Trump cares about the abortion issue, but a conservative Supreme Court is pretty much the only hope the Christian Right has of overturning Roe v. Wade. Consequently, many of them held their nose and voted for the non-Christian candidate, believing the GOP will sort everything out. zonohedron posted:Given how strongly Evangelical leaders either denounced or refused-to-support Trump, and how much Evangelicals are rumored to follow their leaders, I was actually surprised that the denouncing and non-supporting didn't 'take', so to speak. I'm not, honestly. For over forty years, the Evangelical right-wing has been told that abortion is the single greatest evil to ever exist in the US; mass murder on a scale that makes the Holocaust seem quaint. You don't erase that kind of thinking in a single election cycle. Especially when you consider your opponent to be a literal demon from Hell.
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HEY GAL posted:you and i are still like this on everyone's need for more Aristotle in our religion though. *Holds up index and middle fingers, pressed close together* Aristotle solves everything. Congratulations on your engagement! Re: President chat - Biden should have totally run. 
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someone's already made threats of violence against a gay Episcopalian priest in new jersey. i'm sure there are more threats to clergy that i don't know about. everyone, please pray for the safety of clergy, pastors, and houses of worship: lots of people are going to need them
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The Phlegmatist posted:e2: And also is the greater left just going to ignore the nascent movement within evangelical Christianity to do just that? The answer to your question is in the article. quote:Increasingly, that is what “evangelical” means to large numbers of Americans. With apologies to Tias, it's like trying to rehabilitate "skinhead." Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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