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Meatball posted:This was a few pages back, but this is the worst part: people don't seem to understand what they just voted for. Exactly. The media is largely to blame for this because they have been derelict in their duty to explain what the hell has been going on in this country for years because they were terrified of being labeled "biased" by the right wing. It's true people have these right wing media bubbles but average people that just watch the news have no clue what is about to go down. The media didn't even begin to explain what a Trump administration would be like, let alone what Congress has been up to for Obama's entire administration. Those assholes are going to learn how "both sides are the same" both sides really are after Obama and now Trump. People that voted for Trump will not be spared, although others, minorities specifically, will have it much worse.
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negromancer posted:Right. This whole "black fears are the same as white right-winger fears" is loving disgusting. It was inevitable when the oppressors adopted the language of the oppressed. The idiot false equivalency is staggering. Blue lives matter and all that.
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Jesus christ. No, Trump's not REALLY racist... Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach has been asked to join President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team. quote:Kris Kobach was the architect of the most racist law in modern American history. SB 1070 passed in Arizona in 2010. What did it mean? If you have brown skin or an accent, police had a right to stop you, detain you and demand you prove your citizenship.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:21
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If you try to continue to include minority issues but urban centers are systematically denied voting opportunities it would be wasted effort, this is the darkest timeline I have thought about in my young life. The existential understanding that the current government elect sees me as an unperson and wants to restrict my rights because I'm a threat to power is something that's always been in the back of my mind but these last few days have finally clicked it in.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:22
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Ive seen a lot of people saying that white people are too blame for Trump and its not what did it. Democrats or people who vote Democrat didnt show up at the polls. She got over 5 million less votes then Obama on 2012 and over 9 million less then Obama in 2008. Trump got over a million less votes then Romney in 2012 and over 5 thousand less votes then Mccain in 2008. People need to stop lashing out and instead look to the Democrats and figure out why they loss so many people voting compared to 2012 and 2008. Were they convinced that Hillary was gonna win in a landslide or so pissed off about what they did to Bernie that they didnt vote too show frustration?
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Nov 10, 2016 20:21
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Mister Adequate posted:No, that's the short term answer, because it preserves your life against aggression in the moment. I don't understand how having a gun is going to protect anyone from police brutality in literally any scenario. I just don't.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:21
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:
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Nov 10, 2016 20:23
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Deified Data posted:I encourage every black person in America to buy a gun if only to see the NRA squirm over how to respond to it. I'm in the NRA and we have quite a few black members, they are just as well received as any white member. We welcome anyone of any race to be educated on safe and responsible gun ownership.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:23
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Mendrian posted:Man I am glad the American legislation process is so slow and convoluted. Just looking at those possible staff picks and you'd think we'd have creationism in schools, gay conversion therapy and nation-wide oil drilling inside of a month to say nothing of carding brown people to make sure they're citizens. it's not convoluted at all, literally the only thing standing between you and the things you describe was Obama's veto. on January 20 all that stuff will become law in very short order
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Nov 10, 2016 20:23
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Shadokin posted:Ive seen a lot of people saying that white people are too blame for Trump and its not what did it. Democrats or people who vote Democrat didnt show up at the polls. She got over 5 million less votes then Obama on 2012 and over 9 million less then Obama in 2008. No, white people did this. Stop ignoring the 50+ million terrible loving white people in order to tut tut people who couldn't vote due to voter suppression. White progressives looking to blame everyone else instead of their poo poo relatives and friends they refused to confront. http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...sh_all_dt_fb_ru quote:Of course, the biggest and saddest reason white women chose Trump over Clinton is simple: racism. Trump tried to pit straight white men against everyone else—women, people of color, people in the LGBTQ community, immigrants—and white women decided they didn’t want to vote on the side of “everyone else.” They wanted to vote on the side of white men. White women decided that defending their position of power as white people was more important than defending their reproductive rights, their sexual autonomy, their access to health care, family leave, and child care. White women bought into Trump’s lies about immigrant rapists and decided they’d rather have the respect of their angry white fathers, brothers, and husbands than the respect of literally everyone else in the world.
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negromancer posted:Right. This whole "black fears are the same as white right-winger fears" is loving disgusting. It operates on the exact same brand of paranoid delusion and power fantasy. It is useful only as a thing to give you a feeling of control at a time when you have none. But, there's a real human cost to that, and it could be that of yourself or those you care about.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:25
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Shadokin posted:Ive seen a lot of people saying that white people are too blame for Trump and its not what did it. Democrats or people who vote Democrat didnt show up at the polls. She got over 5 million less votes then Obama on 2012 and over 9 million less then Obama in 2008. First they came for the minorities, and I wrote Harambe on my ballot- Because I disagreed with Hillary Clinton's economic policies and the way she stores her emails. (Yeah I am really regretting my earlier posts in this thread.)
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Nov 10, 2016 20:25
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Oceanlife posted:I'm in the NRA and we have quite a few black members, they are just as well received as any white member. We welcome anyone of any race to be educated on safe and responsible gun ownership. lololol
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Nov 10, 2016 20:25
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Tatsuta Age posted:I don't understand how having a gun is going to protect anyone from police brutality in literally any scenario. I just don't. Create a new Underground Railroad for black people where they can hide from the state pursuing them, and when the police try to kill them and black people successfully defend themselves, we get them the gently caress out of the country and somewhere else.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:27
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negromancer posted:No, white people did this. Stop ignoring the 50+ million terrible loving white people in order to tut tut people who couldn't vote due to voter suppression. Don't forget white liberals willing to sell out minorities and women because Hillary didn't excite them. But of course it's her fault they enabled Trump.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:26
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Oceanlife posted:I'm in the NRA and we have quite a few black members, they are just as well received as any white member. We welcome anyone of any race to be educated on safe and responsible gun ownership. There is a difference between an armed black person and armed black people. History shows they get antsy when brown people arm up.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:26
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icantfindaname posted:it's not convoluted at all, literally the only thing standing between you and the things you describe was Obama's veto. on January 20 all that stuff will become law in very short order
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Nov 10, 2016 20:26
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Guns in the hands of the proletariat are good.
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Oceanlife posted:I'm in the NRA and we have quite a few black members, they are just as well received as any white member. We welcome anyone of any race to be educated on safe and responsible gun ownership. I'm sure you guys would welcome live practice targets.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:28
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Pollyanna posted:Listen, the old system of Republicans vs. Democrats being the driving force behind politics in our country has revealed itself to be bullshit. The fact is, both urban and rural, liberal and conservative voters are being hosed over by the establishment. They're playing us against each other to their own benefit. We need to realize that we're divided horizontally (-), not vertically (|), and that things are just never going to be the same now. "Both parties are exactly the same" is exactly as loving moronic today as it was before the election.
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I'm genuinely disappointed that fishmech got perma'd Edit: Panzeh posted:Guns in the hands of the proletariat are good.
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Squashing Machine posted:It operates on the exact same brand of paranoid delusion and power fantasy. It is useful only as a thing to give you a feeling of control at a time when you have none. But, there's a real human cost to that, and it could be that of yourself or those you care about. LOL so being afraid that white people are going to go back to the thing they've explicitly said they wanted to go back to, which led to an untold amount of violence against minorities is a "paranoid delusion". Please shut the gently caress up. You're a disgusting racist and you should never have opinions on the black community or what minorities face.
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Listen, the Donald was who we thought he was. He's what we thought he was. We went through the campaign; who the hell has a pussy grabbin' tape just layin' around like it's bullpoo poo? We dealt with the emails and he's a serial sexual predator - Donald Trump is who we THOUGHT he was! An' that's why we had the drat election! Now- *hits podium* - if you wanna CROWN his rear end, CROWN EM'! But HE IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS! An' we let 'em off the hook!
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Tatsuta Age posted:I don't understand how having a gun is going to protect anyone from police brutality in literally any scenario. I just don't. Having a gun on you probably isn't, having a bunch of dudes with guns around you on your side? Yeah, that will help. Again, this is what the black panthers did: they policed their communities and protected them as best they could and police brutality actually did lower in those areas. Or to put it more succinctly: "Without a gun and a badge, what do ya got? A sucker in a uniform waitin' to get shot"
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chumbler posted:Don't forget white liberals willing to sell out minorities and women because Hillary didn't excite them. But of course it's her fault they enabled Trump. You know a decent candidate can energise the base but I'm sure democrats will still go after bernie supporters or some poo poo and wont't learn anything in 2018 or 2020. Monaghan fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Shadokin posted:Ive seen a lot of people saying that white people are too blame for Trump and its not what did it. Democrats or people who vote Democrat didnt show up at the polls. She got over 5 million less votes then Obama on 2012 and over 9 million less then Obama in 2008. alternatively, the problem might be that Dem voters only care about Obama and not the party as a whole which is a much worse problem to solve
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Nov 10, 2016 20:28
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Oceanlife posted:I'm in the NRA and we have quite a few black members, they are just as well received as any white member. We welcome anyone of any race to be educated on safe and responsible gun ownership. Huh, I think you'll find a few "outliers" in the gun community if black gun ownership starts skyrocketing.
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negromancer posted:LOL so being afraid that white people are going to go back to the thing they've explicitly said they wanted to go back to, which led to an untold amount of violence against minorities is a "paranoid delusion". You seriously come off like a crazy person. Please do not buy a gun for the love of god. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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negromancer posted:LOL so being afraid that white people are going to go back to the thing they've explicitly said they wanted to go back to, which led to an untold amount of violence against minorities is a "paranoid delusion". And you're a paranoid fanatic who throws accusations essentially at random and selectively dismisses real evidence in favor of something that makes you feel good. Guns will not save you.
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Just think: if Trump goes two terms, a generation of little girls get to grow up with a president who has said, on record, that he doesn't think a woman can be attractive if she has small breasts. Or if she's fat. 
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:lololol https://www.thetrace.org/2016/07/nra-black-gun-owners-philando-castile/
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steinrokkan posted:Huh, I think you'll find a few "outliers" in the gun community if black gun ownership starts skyrocketing. Remember when the Yesmen made those ads about giving guns to disadvantages neighborhoods because everybody needs safety? The NRA responded with a desperate litigation campaign that shut down 40,000 websites.
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Terrific Accident posted:You seriously come off like a crazy person. Please do not buy a gun for the love of god. And this, folks, is an example of racism.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:32
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negromancer posted:They won't and everyone knows it. They support states rights when it benefits them, and vice versa. They'll become the fed.
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HorseRenoir posted:alternatively, the problem might be that Dem voters only care about Obama and not the party as a whole which is a much worse problem to solve This is 100% the problem when you look at down ballot and state voting since Bill Clinton. The Democrats have been losing elections for years if you don't count 2008 and somehow they thought the Republicans were dying?
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Nov 10, 2016 20:34
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Reminder that the pacifist approach like wearing a shirt (Lebron) and kneeling (Kaepernick) was seen as a direct attack on the white race by millions of Americans.
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Terrific Accident posted:You seriously come off like a crazy person. Please do not buy a gun for the love of god. I think he has reason to feel scared. I don't agree with him that gun ownership will make that any better.
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Monaghan posted:You know a decent candidate can energise the base but I'm sure democrats will still go after bernie supporters or some poo poo and wont't learn anything in 2018 or 2020. drat right they should go after Bernie supporters who voted Trump or decided not to vote for their own smug self satisfaction. And they need to learn other lessons. These are not mutually exclusive.
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in 49 states, "a trans woman gave me a boner and i thought i was gay" is a valid defense for murdering them.
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Doctor Butts posted:I think he has reason to feel scared. I don't agree with him that gun ownership will make that any better. I've never said he doesn't have a reason to feel scared. I think that fear is leading him down a path that demonstrably produces more death. The "paranoia" I speak to is his idea that a gun will allow him to stop a hate crime in progress, in the same way someone would say it would allow them to stop a mass shooting. Both are inadequate in my eyes.
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