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namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Ben Rabidoux tweeting that Ontario FinMin going to make an announcement next Monday. It's probably going to be first time buyer subsidies.

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Pieces
Jan 25, 2011

namaste faggots posted:

Ben Rabidoux tweeting that Ontario FinMin going to make an announcement next Monday. It's probably going to be first time buyer subsidies.

Its going to be an 'attainable homes' / low income subsidized housing project.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
FinMin going to partner with mogo to offer Canadian First Time buyers a PPP funded Rent-to-Own scheme

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich
My money's on some kind of rebate tied to down payment borrowing.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
My guess is that whatever it is will immediately be factored into prices.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Expect garbage short term policy that backfires long term.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


cowofwar posted:

Expect garbage short term policy that backfires long term.

ontario.txt.

Though if you wanted to be a bit more meta it's also an equally valid for politics.txt or human_condition.txt.

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓𒁉𒋫 𒆷𒁀𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 𒁮𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


Myriarch posted:

Possibly the only good thing to come out of this is that the dollar is going to collapse which should run up inflation in the US which will finally force the feds to raise rates much quicker.
Even more than that really we can expect interbank loaning to seize up, at least temporarily, which will also increase mortgage rates.
This'll also relieve economic pressure off of China as the yuan will be passively devalued (relative to the euro and yen, which are the two rates that actually affect chinese competitiveness) without panic that has accompanied active devaluations. This should prop up exports and relieve some of that giant chinese capacity overhang. Whether that causes the chinese to launder less or more money out of their country is beyond me.

Why do we want higher interest rates again? If that leads to higher interest rates in Canada then half the country won't be able to pay their mortgage.

Besides the "gently caress home owners" angle of course.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Yeah you guys don't get why interest rates are being ~manipulated~ by faceless evil central bankers

large hands
Jan 24, 2006
make interest/usury illegal, imo

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

large hands posted:

make interest/usury illegal, imo
Gold bug found

Franks Happy Place
Mar 15, 2011

It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Myriarch posted:

Possibly the only good thing to come out of this is that the dollar is going to collapse which should run up inflation in the US which will finally force the feds to raise rates much quicker.
Even more than that really we can expect interbank loaning to seize up, at least temporarily, which will also increase mortgage rates.
This'll also relieve economic pressure off of China as the yuan will be passively devalued (relative to the euro and yen, which are the two rates that actually affect chinese competitiveness) without panic that has accompanied active devaluations. This should prop up exports and relieve some of that giant chinese capacity overhang. Whether that causes the chinese to launder less or more money out of their country is beyond me.

Orange Swan.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/796587922564608000

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
All bad things happening are in fact good for bitcoinhousing.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004





The differences between Australia and Canada are getting smaller and its starting to scare me.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
AMERICANS are already flocking to the Australian property market following the shock US federal election result which saw Donald Trump win the presidency.

American property website Realtor.coms International site saw traffic hit a high of 7000 pages views at 5am Australian time this morning up more than 500 per cent from the same time the week before.

During the three days leading up to the election, Realestate.com.au had also seen a 21 per cent surge in searches made from people with US IP addresses.

Sydney was the most searched for city followed by Adelaide and Melbourne.

The most searches came from California and New York both Clinton strongholds.

Realtor.com also saw a spike in searches from Americans looking for property in Canada, Mexico and Jamaica.

REA Group chief economist Nerid Conisbee said it was interesting to note the top searches were coming from California a state that overwhelmingly preferred Clinton.

The election result and the uncertainty created is likely to be concerning many people in the US. The US is one of the countries most frequently searching our site and this result is similar to what happened with searches from the UK following Brexit, Ms Consibee said.

Realtor.com chief economist Jonathan Smoke said the lead-up to the election had not impacted local home sales or demand.

However, if the outcome has a big impact on financial markets that lasts more than a few days, we could see some disruption beyond the usual seasonal decline, Mr Smoke said.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

Why do we want higher interest rates again? If that leads to higher interest rates in Canada then half the country won't be able to pay their mortgage.

Besides the "gently caress home owners" angle of course.

Canadians ramp up their debt, encouraged by low interest rates, new report finds

quote:

Non-mortgage debt rose to an average of $21,686 per person at the end of the third quarter. It was up 2.3 per cent from a year ago.

quote:

700,000 Canadians may not be able to absorb even a quarter of a point interest rate hike. Up to one million consumers could be impacted by a full one percentage point rate hike.

Over $20k per person of non-mortgage debt. :wtc:

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

Keep in mind that's average. Many Canadians like us have none. I hate averages.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

McGavin posted:

Over $20k per person of non-mortgage debt. :wtc:

How much of that is secured, such as a car loan?

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
Met a couple last night that both bought 35k Subaru's on just above minimum wage jobs and then consolidated their car loans together. I'd like to think these people represent the average Canadian.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

I wonder if a better measure than dollars would be "months of after tax income". Like the opposite of a runway, call it a ditch.

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
People in HR at the hospital I just left had HOOPP pensions and really above average wages for the area nad were constantly talking about how broke they were. When I told them I drive a 16-year-old car I bought used it was like I had grown a second head. They would never buy a used car, or used anything. Two Timmies coffees a day and eat out for lunch. My boss got her promotion and less than two months later closed on a cottage.

That's the average Canadian.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

DariusLikewise posted:

Met a couple last night that both bought 35k Subaru's on just above minimum wage jobs and then consolidated their car loans together. I'd like to think these people represent the average Canadian.

The combo mortgage-helocs are popular in the car community here.

One guy bought a Merc C63 with his HELOC because the (variable) interest rate was lower than the dealership offered.

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth


Are we talking consumer debt or anything that isn't a mortgage? Because I still owe about 20 grand on my student loan. I could pay it off, but I'd rather stick that in a TFSA where the rate of return is beating the after-tax (and hopefullly even pre-tax deductible) rate on my loan.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Seat Safety Switch posted:

The combo mortgage-helocs are popular in the car community here.

One guy bought a Merc C63 with his HELOC because the (variable) interest rate was lower than the dealership offered.

Guys, you have no right to tell people what to do with their disposable income

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Not allowed to judge others

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Home "owners"

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




peter banana posted:

People in HR at the hospital I just left had HOOPP pensions and really above average wages for the area nad were constantly talking about how broke they were. When I told them I drive a 16-year-old car I bought used it was like I had grown a second head. They would never buy a used car, or used anything. Two Timmies coffees a day and eat out for lunch. My boss got her promotion and less than two months later closed on a cottage.

That's the average Canadian.

Collingwood G&M or Georgian Bay General? :v:

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

Furnaceface posted:

Collingwood G&M or Georgian Bay General? :v:

Come on now, honey, it was RVH. That's obviously some Barrie-area behaviour.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




peter banana posted:

Come on now, honey, it was RVH. That's obviously some Barrie-area behaviour.

I wish that behaviour was Barrie-only. It would make me feel better knowing I could move away from it.

Newmarket is somehow worse in this regard. :negative:

SpannerX
Apr 26, 2010

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Fun Shoe
Well, $10000 a day fine on empty homes in Vancouver.

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

you really got my hopes up, but it's 10k/year unless you, for some reason, lie

SpannerX
Apr 26, 2010

I had a beer with Stephen Harper once and now I like him.

Fun Shoe

JawKnee posted:

you really got my hopes up, but it's 10k/year unless you, for some reason, lie

Well, yeah, I'm betting the catch a few though.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?

Seat Safety Switch posted:

The combo mortgage-helocs are popular in the car community here.

One guy bought a Merc C63 with his HELOC because the (variable) interest rate was lower than the dealership offered.

The best part is they didn't even own a house, they were renting.

Square Peg
Nov 11, 2008


quote:

Principal homes, as well as properties that are rented for at least six months of the year on 30-day minimum leases, wont be taxed.
A nice little gently caress you to AirBNB thrown in there too, looking forward to someone getting $10k/day fines on each of their 6 undisclosed AirBNB condos.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009



quote:

The city will allow certain exemptions to ensure that most homeowners who are Vancouver residents, including those who spend their winters at nearby ski resorts, wont be affected. Principal homes, as well as properties that are rented for at least six months of the year on 30-day minimum leases, wont be taxed.

Homeowners will self-declare whether their property is a principal residence or a secondary investment. People who pay the new tax late will face a 5 per cent penalty, while those who dont declare will automatically be taxed. Falsely declaring that a home is occupied or that its a principal residence could lead to a maximum fine of $10,000 a day for as long as the offense continues, according to the mayors office.

This seems more like a measure against full time AirBNB units than speculators. I would imagine most of them have family members to title the homes under as a primary residence, and $10,000 a year is like 10% of the yearly increase in value.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Fines never seem to be in line and always fall behind inflation. Most fines should be tied to something else, like the fine for housing related things being a percentage of the value of the house. Also more fines based on a person's net worth. That dude in switzerland who got a 100k speeding ticket is an inspiration.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
$10,000 cost of doing business for who people spend $10,000 on a night out.

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Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

Baronjutter posted:

Fines never seem to be in line and always fall behind inflation. Most fines should be tied to something else, like the fine for housing related things being a percentage of the value of the house. Also more fines based on a person's net worth. That dude in switzerland who got a 100k speeding ticket is an inspiration.

From the article I read it sounded like the compliance tax was 1%. Everyone is throwing around $10,000 because it was based around a hypothetical $1 million property and all the reporters are just copy-pasting.

quote:

Canadas most-expensive property market, suffering from a near-zero supply of rental homes, announced the details of a new tax aimed at prodding absentee landlords into making their properties available for lease. The empty-home tax will take effect by Jan. 1 and will be calculated at 1 percent of the propertys assessed value, Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson told reporters at City Hall.

The fine is definitely "up to" $10K/day though:

quote:

Homeowners will self-declare whether their property is a principal residence or a secondary investment. People who pay the new tax late will face a 5 percent penalty, while those who dont declare will automatically be taxed. Falsely declaring that a home is occupied or that its a principal residence could lead to a maximum fine of C$10,000 a day for as long as the offense continues, according to the mayors office.

So yeah, if 1%/yr of your property is less than $10,000/day, uh, go nuts.

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