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"i, as a person who will never be subject to police brutality or systemic disenfranchisement and violence, think that you, a person who is in greater danger of those things now due to trump and the right wing horde that swept him in, should not buy a gun because i disapprove" - that dude
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idiotsavant posted:The DNC and the Democratic Party have been making GBS threads all over their constituents for years now by forcing them to vote for the lesser of two evils. Is it really so surprising that a bunch of Democratic voters saw what seemed to them to be another centrist, mealy-mouthed, DNC tool and decided to finally sit one out? Why do you think Obama was the lesser of two evils? Or alternatively are you arguing the DNC should do more to ensure the electability of their candidate versus doing what the majority wants?
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Waffles Inc. posted:i'll never stop marveling at how many folks like this dude here who would call themselves progressives continually demonstrate how loving moronic they are by telling poc what they should or shouldn't do Tell me how those two situations are different. If you have something, say it. Don't fall back on this sort of deflection tactic. How would a good guy with a gun have stopped the Dylann Roof massacre in a way that is distinct from how that person would've stopped the Aurora massacre?
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Trabisnikof posted:Maybe leftists could develop some organizations and power structures of their own. Wouldn't it be cool if you had national leaders who were left of the Democratic Party center driving organizing at the state and local level? That would merely weaken the position of pragmatic leftist candidates, such as Hillary.
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Scent of Worf posted:https://twitter.com/time/status/796805891475570688 Really dodged a bullet there with Hilary losing, huh.
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Scent of Worf posted:https://twitter.com/time/status/796805891475570688 loving  So much for defeating "Owned by the bankers" Hillary. The deplorables deserve everything they get.
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Scent of Worf posted:The best thing about the next 4 years is going to be watching tens of millions of republicans realize they've been duped by the establishment yet again I'm kind of interested in how long they'll be able to say one thing while doing the opposite without getting called on it and getting backlash from the base. I'm guessing a long loving time.
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Nov 10, 2016 21:45
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Squashing Machine posted:Tell me how those two situations are different. If you have something, say it. Don't fall back on this sort of deflection tactic. How would a good guy with a gun have stopped the Dylann Roof massacre in a way that is distinct from how that person would've stopped the Aurora massacre? Maybe this will help! A "good guy with a gun" is based on an image of grandeur where as minorities arming themselves will be a deterrent to good guys with a gun like Dylann Roof.
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Squashing Machine posted:Tell me how those two situations are different. If you have something, say it. Don't fall back on this sort of deflection tactic. How would a good guy with a gun have stopped the Dylann Roof massacre in a way that is distinct from how that person would've stopped the Aurora massacre? he referenced dylan roof because that was a sicko white dude motivated by ideas of racial superiority not because he thought he could rambo his way to winning it--it was evidence of racially charged and racially motivated armed violence because you said you thought those days were over this is not hard, man
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Nov 10, 2016 21:46
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Trabisnikof posted:Maybe leftists could develop some organizations and power structures of their own. Wouldn't it be cool if you had national leaders who were left of the Democratic Party center driving organizing at the state and local level? Also purge the DNC.
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steinrokkan posted:That would merely weaken the position of pragmatic leftist candidates, such as Hillary. True but if there is this vast leftist base that is crying out for leadership, you think some leftist national leaders would be leading a revolution rather than saying "oh shucks looks like the outsiders don't control the establishment"
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Scent of Worf posted:https://twitter.com/time/status/796805891475570688 lol trump is just flat-out trolling with these picks now
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Tatsuta Age posted:Interesting. unfortunately, the DNC really is just that inept
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WampaLord posted:loving They don't deserve to suffer for four years. They deserve a cold shower. Sadly that's not how things work.
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Waffles Inc. posted:he referenced dylan roof because that was a sicko white dude motivated by ideas of racial superiority not because he thought he could rambo his way to winning it--it was evidence of racially charged and racially motivated armed violence because you said you thought those days were over I never said those days were over. I said that encouraging PoC gun ownership is just as useless at stopping mass hate crime as it is at stopping the general phenomenon of mass shootings. You have nothing.
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Trabisnikof posted:True but if there is this vast leftist base that is crying out for leadership, you think some leftist national leaders would be leading a revolution rather than saying "oh shucks looks like the outsiders don't control the establishment" I was joking, to hell with Hillary, the left needs to organize.
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Lightning Knight posted:This really isn't the problem. The system could provide these people jobs and security, but they very specifically want a certain type of job we can't give them. That's the problem. Any other job would require them to stop coasting on white mediocrity and put in actual effort and interact with minorities. So they aren't interested. Squashing Machine posted:gently caress, I'm still here. I tied the Dylann Roof shooting to two other mass or public shootings, which you decided not to read I guess. I fail to see how saying "a good guy with a gun would've stopped the Dylann Roof massacre" is any different from saying "a good guy with a gun would've stopped the Aurora massacre." The difference is one is something we've routinely derided for the past four years and the other is now just Good Common Sense 
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Also "dude walks into a church and starts firing" might not be the only possible scenario for racially motivated violence. Crazy, I know.
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Squashing Machine posted:I never said those days were over. I said that encouraging PoC gun ownership is just as useless at stopping mass hate crime as it is at stopping the general phenomenon of mass shootings. You have nothing. encouraging poc gun ownership is a Good Thing(tm) because when the state has the guns and are using them against you it is the only recourse see: black panthers, the
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negromancer posted:Any other job would require them to stop coasting on white mediocrity and put in actual effort and interact with minorities. Seriously, give me your take. How is it different?
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Squashing Machine posted:I never said those days were over. I said that encouraging PoC gun ownership is just as useless at stopping mass hate crime as it is at stopping the general phenomenon of mass shootings. You have nothing. this is empirically false you dumb poo poo!
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Squashing Machine posted:I never said those days were over. I said that encouraging PoC gun ownership is just as useless at stopping mass hate crime as it is at stopping the general phenomenon of mass shootings. You have nothing. NO ONE SAID MASS HATE CRIMES. How are you not getting this? I literally presented the scenario of white men rolling up and trying to lynch me, and you're like "nah, let them lynch you." gently caress you. Submarine Sandpaper posted:this is empirically false you dumb poo poo! He's still in denial about the existence of the Black Panthers and how they defended black communities nationwide from racists. They don't exist in his world.
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gently caress it, Sanders should run in 2020. It's not like he's that much older than Trump anyway. Put Keith Ellison in charge of the DNC, ban sarcasm or jokes in emails just in case. Ban superdelegates(they've literally never mattered and always give with wherever won the most normal delegates anyway and are loving terrible optics), make Melissa Harris Perry the running mate. Go radical.
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Nov 10, 2016 21:50
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Waffles Inc. posted:encouraging poc gun ownership is a Good Thing(tm) because when the state has the guns and are using them against you it is the only recourse Dylann Roof was not the state. He was a racist who committed a mass hate crime. I'm talking about gun ownership as a defense against citizen mass violence, and you've dodged my question for the second time. How is it different.
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Waffles Inc. posted:encouraging poc gun ownership is a Good Thing(tm) because when the state has the guns and are using them against you it is the only recourse It is a useless recourse. If a black guy shoots a cop, even in self-defense, they send twenty cops ready to shoot on sight.
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Squashing Machine posted:Dylann Roof was not the state. He was a racist who committed a mass hate crime. I'm talking about gun ownership as a defense against citizen mass violence, and you've dodged my question for the second time. How is it different. And the state took him to loving Burger King as a reward.
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negromancer posted:NO ONE SAID MASS HATE CRIMES. the KKK may destroy your body, but if you remain pure and unsullied by firearms when you arrive at the pearly gates Saint Clinton will surely save your soul.
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Waffles Inc. posted:"i, as a person who will never be subject to police brutality or systemic disenfranchisement and violence, think that you, a person who is in greater danger of those things now due to trump and the right wing horde that swept him in, should not buy a gun because i disapprove" I've never owned a gun, never even fired one, but I just contacted an LGBT friendly CCW instructor in my county. I just don't trust Federal, State or Local law enforcement in Trump's America. BarbarianElephant posted:It is a useless recourse. If a black guy shoots a cop, even in self-defense, they send twenty cops ready to shoot on sight. We're going to get killed armed or not.
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squashinig machine you obviously have some real issues and you've already splashed some cash to buy me an av for ~reasons~ but i gotta tell you man that when poc speak up about their lived existences and fears you need to listen the gently caress up and get into a headspace where you can understand you're trying to have an intellectual conversation about people's real lives and their real fears and motivations, not to mention you're just wrong honestly reflect on this poo poo and open your ears if you really give a gently caress about poc Glazier posted:I've never owned a gun, never even fired one, but I just contacted an LGBT friendly CCW instructor in my county. I just don't trust Federal, State or Local law enforcement in Trump's America. good on you. stay safe out there.
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greatn posted:gently caress it, Sanders should run in 2020. It's not like he's that much older than Trump anyway. Put Keith Ellison in charge of the DNC, ban sarcasm or jokes in emails just in case. Ban superdelegates(they've literally never mattered and always give with wherever won the most normal delegates anyway), make Melissa Harris Perry the running mate. Go radical. In their age range a couple years means the world.
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Squashing Machine posted:Dylann Roof was not the state. He was a racist who committed a mass hate crime. I'm talking about gun ownership as a defense against citizen mass violence, and you've dodged my question for the second time. How is it different. The state orchestrated the assassination of black panther leadership during the civil rights era!
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steinrokkan posted:In their age range a couple years means the world. You make a woman poc your veep so if you die, bonus, first woman president, first X president too.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:The state orchestrated the assassination of black panther leadership during the civil rights era! Rudy will probably do the same. This is also why BLM doesn't want concentrated leadership, although obviously they're less armed
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Waffles Inc. posted:squashinig machine you obviously have some real issues and you've already splashed some cash to buy me an av for ~reasons~ but i gotta tell you man that when poc speak up about their lived existences and fears you need to listen the gently caress up and get into a headspace where you can understand I didn't buy you poo poo, and you're right, I am trying to have an intellectual conversation, which is apparently something you're completely incapable of. If fear is the first stop in this conversation, then fine, let it be run by fear. But gun ownership kills innocents, and it's fear that makes it seem like a viable option. It's the same fear that the NRA relies on to keep its membership and donations up. You have completely failed to tell me how these ideas are at all different.
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Squashing Machine posted:Dylann Roof was not the state. He was a racist who committed a mass hate crime. I'm talking about gun ownership as a defense against citizen mass violence, and you've dodged my question for the second time. How is it different. Show me a single time that someone having a gun as the police - Pull them over for a traffic ticket, - Stop and frisk with or without probably cause, - Show up at their house with or without a warrant, - Arrest them for publically protesting, - Literally anything else! has helped. Look back twenty years if you need to. Thirty, gently caress it. Show me a time that an armed citizen/citizenry was able to protect themselves and not just get loving shot that much faster. It is driving me crazy all you fuckers in this very thread acting like "Well if they're armed, the cops will respect their lives more" is an ACTUAL THING.
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Dimon for SecTreas, Giuliani for AG, Palin for Interior, have I missed any other floated nightmare picks?
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 This video explains pretty much how I feel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2fK_KDnzwc
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Squashing Machine posted:I never said those days were over. I said that encouraging PoC gun ownership is just as useless at stopping mass hate crime as it is at stopping the general phenomenon of mass shootings. You have nothing. Pretty sure there is nothing on God's earth that can stop a determined spree shooter, because, get this, they're loving insane and not really working off the same logic and principles as everyone else. Self preservation isn't a thing for these guys, and dying is more often than not what they want. But as pointed out, this isn't the only scenario that exists. When Bubba and his cracker friends get hopped up on cheap beer and decide they want to have a good time they're probably going to be thinking twice on their usual recreational pursuits if the target of their good natured foolin' and everyone around them is packing. Same deal with the cops.
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mdemone posted:Dimon for SecTreas, Giuliani for AG, Palin for Interior, have I missed any other floated nightmare picks? Donald Trump as POTUS with Mike Pence as VP.
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