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negromancer posted:Also Gandhi REALLY hated black people. lol. yeah when he was much younger. he wasnt when he was older.
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Fojar38 posted:The GOP obviously isn't as dead as everyone thought it was, but how fragmented it is is going to become more apparent when Trump takes office and the next session of Congress begins. Reminder that there are significant sections of the GOP who all hate each other and also hate Trump and will no longer have a Democratic president to unify them. Even without the filibuster it will provide plenty of opportunities for Congressional Democrats to put their thumbs on the scale. unlike democrats, republicans are willing to turn up their noses and vote for things that are tangentially related to their well being as opposed to directly related to their well being
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Fojar38 posted:Ditto with Asian allies apparently. Yes, more. Whoever said they were going to be happy to see Trump's voters realize they were duped by the establishment again, yes, just yes. You threw away your dignity and totally not racist cred for nothing.
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Trabisnikof posted:Why do you think Obama was the lesser of two evils? 2008 campaign Obama was not at all the lesser of two evils. 2012 Obama definitely started to be, and you see it in the voter turnout. Downballot Democrats have been lesser of two evils forever. All the lovely "reach across the aisle" issues (hello, Grand Bargain?), 2010, 2014 midterms, bailing out banks from the recession without fundamentaly restructuring things, all lesser of two evils. I'm arguing that the electability of the candidate doesn't matter because the DNC has been ignoring what their constituency wants for years now. Actions speak louder than words, and right now DNC words aren't worth poo poo.
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Fojar38 posted:Conservatives didn't put Trump in the White House. Were the 50+ million Trump voters not conservative or what?
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Fojar38 posted:Conservatives didn't put Trump in the White House. Care to elaborate?
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Trabisnikof posted:Maybe leftists could develop some organizations and power structures of their own. Wouldn't it be cool if you had national leaders who were left of the Democratic Party center driving organizing at the state and local level? I'm not even making a critique from the left. I'm making a critique from "wants a president who's not a Nazi" Third parties will never by definition be competitive in a FPTP race for the presidency anyways. The Democratic Party failed to choose a nominee who could beat a C list gimmick celebrity endorsed by the KKK, they have to take a large share of the blame
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hey whatever happened to mcalister did she go into hiding with punished abuela?
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Fojar38 posted:The GOP obviously isn't as dead as everyone thought it was, but how fragmented it is is going to become more apparent when Trump takes office and the next session of Congress begins. Reminder that there are significant sections of the GOP who all hate each other and also hate Trump and will no longer have a Democratic president to unify them. Even without the filibuster it will provide plenty of opportunities for Congressional Democrats to put their thumbs on the scale. The GOP is fighting fit, largely in agreement, and ready to get going on all the plans they've had for 8 years. Times are good for Republicans. Sure, their president is a boor, but he's also a pushover, so they can get him to sign anything they write.
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deadly_pudding posted:I think it's gonna be cool af when the world economy collapses due to a combination of Trump shutting down international trade and climate change loving up agriculture forever. It'll be like a big ol' camping trip because nobody in my age group will be able to afford housing International trade existed before nafta and other free trade deals. Crazy, I know.
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Rinse Priapus says on CNN that the Republicans have a mandate to not compromise in any way to enact their full agenda, just like the Dems in 08. It's gonna be a long 4 years.
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I know that trump and his EPA pick are climate change deniers because of their own ignorance, but what will happen when they are sat down by our military advisers and explained without doubt that it's a real issue? Can they really just sit there and continue to deny it? Regular people do this all the time I know, but it feels like this is a different scenario in which they are practically forced to understand it. Maybe it can be good to have such blatant exposure to the science and it will open their eyes? I'm hoping in any case.
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BarbarianElephant posted:The GOP is fighting fit, largely in agreement, and ready to get going on all the plans they've had for 8 years. Times are good for Republicans. Sure, their president is a boor, but he's also a pushover, so they can get him to sign anything they write. Soon the US will be like Kansas and the GOP will proclaim its the best ever thing.
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negromancer posted:Also Gandhi REALLY hated black people. I never knew that Gandhi was a racist. Those quotes from his time in South Africa were disturbing.
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FateFree posted:I know that trump and his EPA pick are climate change deniers because of their own ignorance, but what will happen when they are sat down by our military advisers and explained without doubt that it's a real issue? Why would you suppose the military believe in climate change, or care?
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Fojar38 posted:The GOP obviously isn't as dead as everyone thought it was, but how fragmented it is is going to become more apparent when Trump takes office and the next session of Congress begins. Reminder that there are significant sections of the GOP who all hate each other and also hate Trump and will no longer have a Democratic president to unify them. Even without the filibuster it will provide plenty of opportunities for Congressional Democrats to put their thumbs on the scale. If I learned anything from the constant flip-flop of Trump endorsement and distancing, Republicans are utterly spineless as an institution and will gladly vote for outright murderous policies if attached to something they find ideologically desirable or personally beneficial. You think their first repeal is going to be the ACA? It'll be the Civil Rights Act.
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Unzip and Attack posted:Care to elaborate? It was a combination of low Democratic turnout and midwestern whites who voted for Obama flipping to the GOP. These aren't people who are reliably conservative or reliably Republican and in 2 years a significant portion are going to feel they've been had. BarbarianElephant posted:The GOP is fighting fit, largely in agreement, and ready to get going on all the plans they've had for 8 years. Times are good for Republicans. Sure, their president is a boor, but he's also a pushover, so they can get him to sign anything they write. Have you not been paying attention to Congress for the past 2-6 years
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MountGeek posted:I never knew that Gandhi was a racist. Those quotes from his time in South Africa were disturbing. All your heroes have feet of clay.
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Mister Macys posted:International trade existed before nafta and other free trade deals. Crazy, I know. A fetus was alive before it developed lungs. We are not harvesting lungs from living children.
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Alec Bald Snatch posted:hey whatever happened to mcalister Toxxed and banned but made a huge post blaming Bernie for the loss on the way out.
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FateFree posted:I know that trump and his EPA pick are climate change deniers because of their own ignorance, but what will happen when they are sat down by our military advisers and explained without doubt that it's a real issue? it'll likely wind up like the epa under w bush where major research was stopped and it mostly existed to rubber stamp permits Radish posted:Toxxed and banned but made a huge post blaming Bernie for the loss on the way out. got a link that sounds good she was hyper delusional to begin with
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Mister Olympus posted:If I learned anything from the constant flip-flop of Trump endorsement and distancing, Republicans are utterly spineless as an institution and will gladly vote for outright murderous policies if attached to something they find ideologically desirable or personally beneficial. In the face of Democrats being in power or possibly being in power. That factor isn't going to be here for the next 2 years at least.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Why would you suppose the military believe in climate change, or care? Sea level rise vs. naval bases is a good direct reason. Mass global instability is indirect but just as valid.
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Who What Now posted:You're acting as if there's anything that could be done to stop it. This nation has already made up its mind, and it's to fully embrace bigotry and hatred. Yes because we had a low turnout election where HRC had more votes then Trump we actually are a nation of racism.
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Mister Macys posted:International trade existed before nafta and other free trade deals. Crazy, I know. That is a deep-rear end cut in this fast-moving thread. Obviously there will still be trade. If Trump actually gets his wishes regarding tariffs and stuff, though, it will have an affect on, for example, China, whose economy is more or less based on exporting all of the consumerist bullshit we love to the US. There's gonna be a ripple effect.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Why would you suppose the military believe in climate change, or care? Maybe Trump will try to purge the officer corps over climate change belief-having.
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LLJKSiLk posted:
Pretty sure the DNC can sweep the presidency and senate if they focus on actual progressive labor policies and get those democrats who stayed home to come back out and vote. Ghoul faced libertarians and racist southern pigs need not apply.
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Fojar38 posted:Have you not been paying attention to Congress for the past 2-6 years They've been running a strategy of "No!" to stymie Democrats. That's why they haven't done anything. It's a deliberate strategy and very clever. They are in lock-step in their plans, at least for the next 4 years. Repeal Obamacare, ban abortion, persecute the gays and Muslims. They might argue a bit on deporting illegal immigrants because Republicans have a significant Hispanic constituency. They will probably build that wall just to keep Trump distracted while they are working on their agenda.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:Just like Farrage with Brexit. Amazing ahahah
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negromancer posted:Also Gandhi REALLY hated black people. Yeah, he did. Reading some of his writing is pretty loving eye opening especially once you realize what 'kaffir' actually means. Anyway, even though he was a lovely person in general I see a lot of people who fundamentally misunderstand his philosophy who cite him as proof that you should passively accept your fate because it is more noble to do nothing than fight. This isn't true at all. quote:I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully. --Noted Liberal Darling Mohandas Gandhi laying the smackdown on liberals
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BarbarianElephant posted:Why would you suppose the military believe in climate change, or care? Military may not car, but there must be a point when the business class comes to a decision that the gains from ignoring the CC are now being outweighted by the costs of CC within their financial planning calendar. There must be Must be Be
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BarbarianElephant posted:Why would you suppose the military believe in climate change, or care? the defense department is the largest funding source for renewable energy research and companies like lockheed and northrop are at the top of the list for offshore production contracts that's on top of the next major conflict zones coming in areas immediately affected by sea level rise they've been fighting with the gop for years over this stuff
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Alec Bald Snatch posted:it'll likely wind up like the epa under w bush where major research was stopped and it mostly existed to rubber stamp permits Nah sorry but it's somewhere in the election night thread.
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Squashing Machine posted:And you're a paranoid fanatic who throws accusations essentially at random and selectively dismisses real evidence in favor of something that makes you feel good. Guns will not save you. They probably won't, but they're better than nothing. One person with guns doesn't affect anything, but a whole community with guns fundamentally changes the nature of the relationship between the community and the police. No, a traffic stop isn't going to change much...but the cops will be a lot more wary about doing traffic stops in black neighborhoods in the first place, because they'll be worried about more than just cameras. When they do show up in black neighborhoods, they'll bring more force, but that's resource-intensive enough that they won't be able to just wander around black neighborhoods all day stopping and frisking random black people or breaking up public gatherings with threats. Besides, peaceful protest has done nothing, and voting clearly isn't cutting it; I don't blame African-Americans for wanting to take things into their own hands, rather than waiting patiently for white people to deign to recognize their issues. icantfindaname posted:The purpose of political parties' existence that you'll learn in a poli sci 101 class is to win elections. The party, not the voters, is the entity with agency in a political science sense, it's the party's responsibility to win elections, not the voters'. You should be furious at the Democratic Party and HRC for losing, being mad at Bernie Bros is nonsense Both parties have agency, though. Why isn't the GOP being credited for their part in keeping Dem voters home? Aside from the voter intimidation and suppression, and the Watergate-esque leak of years worth of DNC emails and files, they engaged in a number of tactics clearly intended to keep Dem voters at home, like calling on Bernie supporters to abandon Hillary. Of course, the Hillary campaign made many of the same moves that the Trump campaign did, like promising a better economy and hammering relentlessly at perceived personal faults of the other candidate. Nope, I guess it's all just that registered Democrats didn't show up at the polls because they hated the candidate that won the primaries by a massive margin, and that way more Dems would have turned out to vote for someone who got three million fewer votes in the Democratic primary. Comparing 2008 to 2016 is stupid, because it's apples and oranges. In 2008, the economy had only just collapsed into the biggest recession since the Great Depression, and Obama represented the opposition. On the other hand, Hillary was a member of the same party of the incumbent, who's presided over an economy that's barely recovered and is still teetering on the brink of a second collapse. I can't imagine why their turnout numbers might be different. Fojar38 posted:The GOP obviously isn't as dead as everyone thought it was, but how fragmented it is is going to become more apparent when Trump takes office and the next session of Congress begins. Reminder that there are significant sections of the GOP who all hate each other and also hate Trump and will no longer have a Democratic president to unify them. Even without the filibuster it will provide plenty of opportunities for Congressional Democrats to put their thumbs on the scale. The GOP is going to fall in line behind Trump for a while. He won, and victory covers a multitude of sins. On the other hand, the Dems look like they might fracture into three or four different groups all blaming each other for Trump's victory, and collapse into infighting as they all attempt to throw each other under the bus.
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WampaLord posted:Man, gently caress you. I've seen nothing but lovely winner posts like this from your kind. How are you not banned? Weren't you part of the USPol crew that repeatedly posted POST YOUR MAP POST MAP TOXX OR SHUT THE gently caress UP to anyone that upset you? Now you're talking about being graceful? Sorry to burst your bubble but I voted for Clinton and was devastated when she lost. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the oddest poo poo being posted, like still suggesting the GOP is dead.
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Polygynous posted:Sea level rise vs. naval bases is a good direct reason. The sane right generally believe in climate change, but either do not believe it is man-made, or believe that it is impossible to fix.
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Crowsbeak posted:Yes because we had a low turnout election where HRC had more votes then Trump we actually are a nation of racism. Passive silence condones and emboldens racism. So yes, we unquestionable and unarguably are.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Rinse Priapus says on CNN that the Republicans have a mandate to not compromise in any way to enact their full agenda, just like the Dems in 08. It's gonna be a long 4 years. If I could ban one word from the political lexicon it would be "mandate". Those who utter it should have the vitality sapped from their mortal shell before withering and turning to ash on the spot.
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deadly_pudding posted:That is a deep-rear end cut in this fast-moving thread. Obviously there will still be trade. If Trump actually gets his wishes regarding tariffs and stuff, though, it will have an affect on, for example, China, whose economy is more or less based on exporting all of the consumerist bullshit we love to the US. There's gonna be a ripple effect. Trump will get his rear end handed to him by the WTO is concert with his own domestic business interests if he touches the tariff limits set in international law, which are basically zero.
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