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sportsgenius86 posted:http://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/im-a-coastal-elite-from-the-midwest-the-real-bubble-is-rural-america#sthash.hQsGH2Zt.rws7PPMx.gbpl Why don't the midwestern white working class embrace poverty?   Guess we'll never know.
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GlyphGryph posted:Is rural New Jersey actually a real place even? west/northwest and south/central jersey is rustbest style rural, yeah.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:This is a good post. Given the fact that you're 100% correct, I'm going to assume you don't live on a coast.
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Zikan posted:because this is my only source of hope right now i'm literally looking up the bylaws of the DNC here: http://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.democrats.org/Downloads/DNC_Charter__Bylaws_9.17.15.pdf I know it's a lot of work, but that spread sheet would be beloved by this whole thread and many more goons in the wings.
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Zikan posted:
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sportsgenius86 posted:http://www.rollcall.com/news/opinion/im-a-coastal-elite-from-the-midwest-the-real-bubble-is-rural-america#sthash.hQsGH2Zt.rws7PPMx.gbpl Of course they picked soccer as the sport.
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Mo_Steel posted:Why don't the midwestern white working class embrace poverty? Why aren't people ready to accept that their life sucks now? I just don't get it...
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:This is the savagery we need rn. "zach was right" - random twitter guy
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Karl Barks posted:a bunch of facebook friends are sharing that vox leslie knope letter about donald trump and saying poo poo like "crying rn" and i'm like, are you kidding me. My woke as hell tech giant employer literally printed out paper signs that said "safe space" and taped them to a couple conference rooms so people could have a good cry I guess. Then the execs sent around an email congratulating everyone on our commitment to diversity in this difficult time. I mean they spent the last 18 months being publicly "politically neutral". Probably would've been more useful to use some of our massive pile of resources and influence to oppose the most evil presidential candidate in a generation, but hey the cry rooms for LGBT and Muslims were nice too.
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anime was right posted:"zach was right" - random twitter guy *extremely liberal voice* Uh excuse me, but that's not very respectful to a proud accomplished black woman. Have you no respect for decorum, sir? Have you no decency? Sir? No decency at all?
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Zikan posted:i may begin a spread sheet with the contact info of all of these fucks so phone, letter, and e-mail campaigns can begin Do it. Also I think the actual worst-case scenario here might not be "Centrist democrats don't listen to good advice, get blown out in 2020." The worst-case scenario is "Centrist democrats don't listen to good advice, win 2020 despite it." The former is going to be painful but get us in better shape in 2024 because it'll be a much clearer and more convincing repudiation and with demographics and policy aligning the way they are I think a strong candidate in 2024 might be able to get us the actual thousand years of liberal darkness we were promised. Winning 2020 despite fuckups might be even worse if that means we lose 2024 and 2026 and so on. And I think that's a very plausible scenario. Remember that Clinton nearly won for all her weaknesses. The demographic which broke most heavily against her is figuratively dying, and if Trump fucks up healthcare, will be literally dying. Trump can't get their jobs back. And being directly attacked by the government can easily fire up a base. So this is really important. Thanks for doing what you can.
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mrmcd posted:My woke as hell tech giant employer literally printed out paper signs that said "safe space" and taped them to a couple conference rooms so people could have a good cry I guess. Then the execs sent around an email congratulating everyone on our commitment to diversity in this difficult time. i work for a uni and the dean sent out an email that said this election is proof we need to focus more on educating people. good poo poo.
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important question is chicago a coastal city now (third coast) to make the definition fit
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Karl Barks posted:i work for a uni and the dean sent out an email that said this election is proof we need to focus more on educating people. good poo poo. Hillary did not fail. She was failed.
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Porpoise With A Purpose posted:As someone who lives in Kentucky, I can tell you that it was only this election that finally knocked Dems out of the majority in the state house. Kentucky is ripe for local democrats, we just have to make sure they aren't identified with Hillary and her ilk. Thank you, I was just going back to this post to find this and address this. Blue-staters don't realize this, but the south is FILLED with life-long Democrats who still identify with the party since before the Southern Strategy which shifted the racists and bigots to the Republicans. These are actual, progressive people (PEOPLE! Some of them WHITE!) who identified and agreed with Johnson's Civil Rights Act. They were abandoned by Third Way, DLC Democrats under Clinton but are the same folks who voted for Obama in red states, some of them in quantities enough to flip them. To act like everyone here is a racist bigot is how you get demagogues using them for nefarious ends. As you mentioned, we had a majority in the state legislature before the last mid-term. We expanded Medicare for the ACA. IF DEMOCRATS CARED they could make this state competitive but that's the rub, Democrats haven't given a poo poo about non-coastal, non-swing, low-electoral-vote states since 1992. If Democrats want to be a viable left of center party, and have a back bench strong enough to have great national candidates, they have to have competitive candidates for state legislatures and not just in swing states, but in places like Kansas, Oklahoma, and yes, Kentucky. The whole attitude of nothing matters between the coasts is exactly how they lost this election and the decades-long groundwork they need to do to get back to viable begins here, in the middle of the country where city dwellers fear to tread.
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"Hm, yase, once we show those stupid racist inbred hicks how the better half lives, surely they'll realize the systematic destruction of their livelihoods, communities, and futures was worth it because now the gays can marry and that's the only thing that should matter to anyone anywhere ever." wow I can't wait for my mom to print out an article containing juicy quotes from that thing and titled something like "Proof the coastal liberal elite really do hate you!" and read it to me over the phone. LastInLine posted:As you mentioned, we had a majority in the state legislature before the last mid-term. We expanded Medicare for the ACA. IF DEMOCRATS CARED they could make this state competitive but that's the rub, Democrats haven't given a poo poo about non-coastal, non-swing, low-electoral-vote states since 1992. If Democrats want to be a viable left of center party, and have a back bench strong enough to have great national candidates, they have to have competitive candidates for state legislatures and not just in swing states, but in places like Kansas, Oklahoma, and yes, Kentucky. Or just rant on the internet about how the evil awful electoral college has now screwed them twice and therefore they just need to literally disenfranchise everyone who doesn't vote for their preferred candidate. 
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hailthefish posted:"Hm, yase, once we show those stupid racist inbred hicks how the better half lives, surely they'll realize the systematic destruction of their livelihoods, communities, and futures was worth it because now the gays can marry and that's the only thing that should matter to anyone anywhere ever." us folks who live in the South, Midwest, and Great Plains states never needed proof lmao
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Zikan posted:because this is my only source of hope right now i'm literally looking up the bylaws of the DNC here: http://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.democrats.org/Downloads/DNC_Charter__Bylaws_9.17.15.pdf Getting the contact info of the 200 additionals is gonna be a bitch; this page is probably a start of people who would be important to talk with about the next chair though. e: I think the important question to keep focused on is "Then what?" It's not enough to just push for someone other than Dean; let's say we get Keith as the chair instead. Then what? We need to make it known to him and the rest of the DNC what our goals are, and what we will do if they go against those goals. It has to be focused and plain if we want other people to get involved and follow through; very few people will read through the Bylaws of the DNC so if the goal is to get people to spend time getting Keith in the chair there has to be an answer to "If we get him in, then what?" Mo_Steel has issued a correction as of 01:07 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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I apologize if this has been rehashed many times but I need some better explanation of this. IA 2012  IA 2016  So far people have said "white people" but Iowa isn't a rust belt state and is relatively educated, and that is a HUGE difference. The state went from Dem +6 to Rep +10 in the course of one election, that's a loving huge swing.
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hailthefish posted:"Hm, yase, once we show those stupid racist inbred hicks how the better half lives, surely they'll realize the systematic destruction of their livelihoods, communities, and futures was worth it because now the gays can marry and that's the only thing that should matter to anyone anywhere ever." The fact that this attitude is so prevalent and so nakedly expressed makes me understand how the Republicans I know could stomach such an awful, hateful party for so long. I'm not saying this is a Welcome to the Republican Party  moment for me, it's not, but I'm definitely understanding their persecution complex. I honestly had no idea that progressives in general and Democrats in particular were so myopic and classist. It's kind of like that moment when you realize that some of the "ironic" racism you see online isn't ironic at all.
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Peel posted:Chicago is on the Canadian coast. technically true. we need a wall here
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LastInLine posted:The fact that this attitude is so prevalent and so nakedly expressed makes me understand how the Republicans I know could stomach such an awful, hateful party for so long. I'm not saying this is a Welcome to the Republican Party coastal liberal elites sneering calling everyone who live in a small town redneck racist misogynist homophobes is unfortunately a lot closer to the truth than I'm comfortable with
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Typo posted:abuela tried to double down on gender id.pol this cycle and failed so so so so horribly DEAL ME INNNNNNNNN
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The DNC needs to be purged of overpaid consultants and shills for corporate interests like Dean. They did everything possible to make sure Yaas Queen won but she got crushed by Trump. The dems got wrecked in all the down-ticket races. Why should anyone keep their jobs or claim to be competent after such a humiliating defeat?
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Typo posted:abuela tried to double down on gender id.pol this cycle and failed so so so so horribly Hahahahahahahahaha "we're gonna win college whites and white women because Trump is so noxious!" gently caress you Robbie Mook.
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