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kartikeya posted:When your choices are Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, and you choose Donald Trump or to just not vote for one of the two, you are either explicitly or implicitly supporting the giant orange garbage man who ran on a platform of 'gently caress every minority forever', because you are saying either that's why you voted for him, or you voted for him while not caring about that bit as much as the part where you wanted the other lies he was selling, or you just really really wanted to stick it to Hillary, or you couldn't be bothered to care enough to stop this from happening. If you read my posts, I get that. What I'm telling you is that racism is not the driving force, it's a symptom. Racism is nothing but a social, tribal, construct. It's going to be most prevalent where people are most set upon. In this case, economically. They don't even have to prosper - they just have to feel like they're being treated fairly. Guess what? Obama shares blame for this loss. His economy is humming along, but most people do not feel like it is or that they've been given a fair shake. That goes for minorities and whites alike. He have historic inequality which is breeding discontent and we're reaping that.
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Hillary Clinton was so out of touch that she didn't even see a problem in talking about her close friendship with Henry Kissinger while running for president on the Democratic ticket.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:47
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Boon posted:The thing about entirely contrived situations Apparently my metaphor was too subtle!
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lmfao at the people blaming the evil berniebros and not the fact that Hilary was a terrible, awful, no--good, garbagio, lovely candidate. She was openly despised by half the country, and a huge majority of people just didn't give a crap about her. I assure you that the 6 million people who voted for Obama but didn't vote for Hilary were not all bernie bros.
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smug n stuff posted:The Clinton campaign presented her as a "Pragmatist who gets things done" over and over again in the primaries and the general. Yes except their lives will actually improve if progressive ideas get implemented.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:46
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Who What Now posted:Apparently my metaphor was too subtle! No, but apparently my response is, or maybe it's too complicated for you, I don't know.  Racism is a factor, it's not the factor VV
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Boon posted:Except it's not. It's absolutely a part of it, yes - but to cast an entire 50+ million people, many of whom voted for Obama, with this net is a strategically stupid move that only serves to misinterpret the actual nature of the loss. You can't figure out a solution if you don't understand the problem. Spoiler: there were bigots that voted for Obama. "I have a black friend" doesn't fly even if it's the president.
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Mendrian posted:I think the degree to which Trump campaigned - perhaps implicitly, explicitly or even accidentally - on 'liberals have spent too much time coddling minorities and policing the behavior of white people, so gently caress them' has been gravely underestimated. At the very least, a large enough group of his supporters believed that to be his message that there are PoC and women in this country in real danger now. This is a real thing. It's fine to disagree about how we got here but helping, supporting, and even saving those people now is more important than the circular firing squad. This. The problem with "we can do both guys!" isn't that we can't do both, it's that white progressives don't want to do both. We already have people arguing that part of appealing to the white working class is minimizing and being silent about minority issues so as not to "alienate them." If we have to ignore BLM to get white people on board class warfare black people will start abandoning us.
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Who What Now posted:Apparently my metaphor was too subtle! Judging by Twitter and facebook, your metaphor never happens, but let's show this one video of black people kicking a Trump supporter over and over and over and over and over again as proof that actually, white people are the true victims of a Trump victory.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:47
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How about we stop turning on each and calmly discuss what we should do moving forward. Also we can dunk on Trump's cabinet choices.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:49
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Casimir Radon posted:How about we stop turning on each and calmly discuss what we should do moving forward. Also we can dunk on Trump's cabinet choices. I really hope Arpaio was just a trial balloon.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:50
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On a less combative note, anyone else at the philly protest matching down broad st?
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Nov 11, 2016 01:50
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if hillary was good for racial justice, why did she do her best to inflict trump on america? https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/796222841612042240?ref_src=tw she intentionally tried to get that demagogue nominated because she figured it would make it easier for her to win. she was wrong and inflicted a racist nightmare on america instead. bernie would not have done this to us
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Nov 11, 2016 01:52
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There will be no more Malheurs because those people will be the first to sign up for Sheriff Joe's Homeland Security Posse. Then they will go crack skulls in cities claiming that they are looking for "illegals" and "terrorists." Trump will ensure they have impunity. They are going to get what they have always wanted.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:54
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5 Best article yet explaining what happened, not going to sit well at all.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:55
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Boon posted:No, but apparently my response is, or maybe it's too complicated for you, I don't know. I understood it just fine, you're just objectively wrong. Racism is a much bigger factor than you're pretending.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:55
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https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/796855149901836293
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Nov 11, 2016 01:54
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Main Paineframe posted:Helping both minorities and poor whites is easy. Helping both without the poor whites spitting in your eye and voting against you to punish you for daring to help anyone besides them, on the other hand, is pretty drat hard. Poor whites actually split down the middle you gently caress. Its like you're painting an entire group with the racism brush and surprised when the other party uses that to the hilt.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:54
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Condiv posted:if hillary was good for racial justice, why did she do her best to inflict trump on america? she doesn't care about anyone, she only cares about getting elected and thought this would help her because she and her staffers are loving morons like anyone who ever supported her or voted for her
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Who What Now posted:I understood it just fine, you're just objectively wrong. Racism is a much bigger factor than you're pretending. ~It's the economy and nothing else~ https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
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Nov 11, 2016 01:55
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Al Giordano is wrong about a lot of poo poo but he was 100% right when he said that preening white male leftists are going to be worse than useless when it comes to organizing real resistance.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:57
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Boon posted:If you read my posts, I get that. What I'm telling you is that racism is not the driving force, it's a symptom. Ah yes, it's the black president's fault that white people are racist. Are you even loving listening to yourself? There's always going to be people in lovely situations, that's not an excuse for racism. Condiv posted:if hillary was good for racial justice, why did she do her best to inflict trump on america? Man, I had no loving idea the DNC was so powerful that they could rig not only the Democratic primaries but the Republican primaries as well! You'd think such a far-reaching conspiracy would be able to get the presidency, too! Unless that's just all part of "their" plan! 
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Nov 11, 2016 01:57
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Yeehaw! Poor and old people gonna git poorer and dyin' sooner!
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Nov 11, 2016 01:57
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I feel an immense sense of spite towards Boomers with regards to Medicare/Social Security death. Too bad my parents are hitting retirement age too. 
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Nov 11, 2016 01:56
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Grognan posted:Poor whites actually split down the middle you gently caress. Its like you're painting an entire group with the racism brush and surprised when the other party uses that to the hilt. Helpful hint poor whites who are willing to vote for someone like Trump or won't even step out to vote against him are, in fact, racist.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:58
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zh1 posted:she doesn't care about anyone, she only cares about getting elected and thought this would help her because she and her staffers are loving morons like anyone who ever supported her or voted for her It is this kind of smug elitist rhetoric that lost you the election, when will you learn your lesson?
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Mantis42 posted:Hillary Clinton was so out of touch that she didn't even see a problem in talking about her close friendship with Henry Kissinger while running for president on the Democratic ticket. The average voter is not informed enough to care about this.
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Main Paineframe posted:Ah yes, it's the black president's fault that white people are racist. Are you even loving listening to yourself? There's always going to be people in lovely situations, that's not an excuse for racism. I don't pretend that racism is going to be stamped out, terrible people are going to be terrible. There hasn't been a racist-less society in all of history and there's absolutely no reason to believe that humans will suddenly stop being tribal. I have not once said it's not a problem. It is however, a bigger problem when the society itself feels cheated. Way to paint one the greatest criticisms of the Obama administration, his bungling of dealing with Wall Street executives following the collapse, as somehow a bigoted remark. Boon fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 01:59
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Trabisnikof posted:It is this kind of smug elitist rhetoric that lost you the election, when will you learn your lesson?
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straight up brolic posted:Tulsi Gabbard is someone to root for, but she's probably too young Uh no, she's garbage. She hates refugees and wanted them blocked fromt he country, is really into Fox's thing of yelling about "radical islamic terrorism", and is pals with Sheldon Adelson. Who if you don't remember is a hardcore conservative casino magnate who was one of Trump's biggest supporters. She's also close friends with the leader of India's Bharatiya Janata Party, which is a right-wing Hindu nationalist party that also hates Muslims.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:00
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Lightning Knight posted:I feel an immense sense of spite towards Boomers with regards to Medicare/Social Security death. It won't affect them so they don't give a gently caress. I'm spiteful enough that if I were a democrat and there was no way to stop it I'd do my best to get it so that it started right loving now and not at some future date. Everyone gets a piece of the poo poo pie or no one does.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:02
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PKJC posted:~It's the economy and nothing else~ Double down on calling Trump a racist and supports, and run Hillary again in 2020 please.
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PKJC posted:~It's the economy and nothing else~ In some way I'm sure this is Obama's fault because he's so divisive
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Nov 11, 2016 02:04
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Main Paineframe posted:Man, I had no loving idea the DNC was so powerful that they could rig not only the Democratic primaries but the Republican primaries as well! You'd think such a far-reaching conspiracy would be able to get the presidency, too! Unless that's just all part of "their" plan! she got what she wanted, and she lost. idiots like you were hailing this old leak as a brilliant campaign move! now you try to disown it she wanted to put america in that corner, a choice between her or a mega racist because she figured that would win the race for her. and she was dead loving wrong and we have to pay for it now
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Nov 11, 2016 02:04
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zh1 posted:i'm not a democrat, i'm someone who actually cares about improving the world Low energy burn there. Also good luck doing it without the Democratic Party's powerbase. But then again, look at all the improvements your smug posting have brought to the world.
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This forum is like politics for babies. it didn't used to be this bad...don't get me wrong, it was never good, but holy poo poo. the purges really did a number here
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According to a lot of people in here, the latino voters who did not vote or who supported Trump are all huge racist assholes with no possible other reason to not vote or to vote Trump (though honestly the latter I don't get - therefore it can only be racism).
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Nov 11, 2016 02:05
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Trabisnikof posted:Low energy burn there. Jesus
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Mnoba posted:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-democratic-party-deserves-to-die_us_58236ad5e4b0aac62488cde5 Wow, an actual decent article in the mainstream. This almost rivals that Israel-Palestine piece they ran a while back.
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Mnoba posted:Double down on calling Trump a racist and supports, and run Hillary again in 2020 please. I guess we can't point out poo poo behavior because it might offend certain people.
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