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Tight Booty Shorts posted:What an idiotic argument Oh hey, want to explain why you thought the passage from MLK Jr deserved an eye roll?
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Condiv posted:maybe if the dems didn't do their damndest to help trump get the nomination we wouldn't be at ruin's doorstep. the hillary campaign unleashed cheeto benito on us and then flubbed it You are still making this not about Trump, who is the Hitler is this Hitler analogue. In the other thread, I was not trying the vote shaming thing. I'm asking you what was more important than a large bundle of human and voting rights. You still haven't provided an answer other than "its unfair to ask me that." In other news, word through my VT grapevine is that Bernie is not keeping it together. I fear the man is going to blame himself (unfairly) for the coming loss of gay and women's rights, and its tearing me apart 
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If my biggest problem in a day is getting told that I have societal privileges then I guess my life is going ok.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:31
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PKJC posted:Yeah if only Hillary hadn't spent 100% of the time talking about identity politics. Oh wait. People didn't believe she could actually deliver on economic reform, despite what the platform said. The base that elected Obama still exists. It is not turned off by identity politics, but it needs someone who actually inspires it.
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PerniciousKnid posted:I still don't know what that means. Serious answer: It means take stock of your situation and realize other people may not enjoy some benefits or advantages that you have when in similar situations, and that this affects how they act and react.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:33
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Potato Salad posted:In other news, word through my VT grapevine is that Bernie is not keeping it together. I fear the man is going to blame himself (unfairly) for the coming loss of gay and women's rights, and its tearing me apart Bernie probably got more young people to turn out in the general due to him running in the primary.
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I was thinking of starting a site documenting the racial abuse/hate crimes minorities are starting to receive by emboldened trump supporters and am wondering if it's a good idea? This poo poo is horrible and needs to be recorded for posterity.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:32
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Mnoba posted:Well if anything, Trump winning has made US POL tolerable I haven't wanted to blow my brains out yet or been told to check my privaledge so there's that. When we see which rights are revoked, have no fear, we're coming after you. I'm probably going to be joining them in the streets blocking traffic on I-85 this time, too. Hopefully it won't get violent.
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Potato Salad posted:In other news, word through my VT grapevine is that Bernie is not keeping it together. I fear the man is going to blame himself (unfairly) for the coming loss of gay and women's rights, and its tearing me apart There are three things all wise men fear; a storm at sea, a moonless night, and the anger of a gentle man.
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thegoonofaudio posted:I was thinking of starting a site documenting the racial abuse/hate crimes minorities are starting to receive by emboldened trump supporters and am wondering if it's a good idea? This poo poo is horrible and needs to be recorded for posterity. Generally speaking, yes, it would be good to document. Good for your mental health is a different question.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:34
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PKJC posted:Generally speaking, yes, it would be good to document. Good for your mental health is a different question. That's sadly true. It's going to be horrible seeing what people are going through.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:36
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Potato Salad posted:You are still making this not about Trump, who is the Hitler is this Hitler analogue. He deserves some blame for being a single-minded candidate or failing to build a coalition. It would be absurd to blame Hillary for losing the general and not also blame Bernie for losing the primary. But it's not all his fault; there's plenty of blame to go around, and he and Hillary both did far more to fight Trump than I ever did.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:36
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Fojar38 posted:The institutions of Weimar Germany were way, way, way weaker than American ones. The point is it can all disappear in the blink of an eye. Weimar Germany was unbelievably progressive for its time in many ways. It didn't matter.
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PerniciousKnid posted:He deserves some blame for being a single-minded candidate or failing to build a coalition. It would be absurd to blame Hillary for losing the general and not also blame Bernie for losing the primary. But it's not all his fault; there's plenty of blame to go around, and he and Hillary both did far more to fight Trump than I ever did. Perhaps instead of pointing fingers people who are affiliated with the Democratic party should present a united front against Trump.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:37
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Potato Salad posted:You are still making this not about Trump, who is the Hitler is this Hitler analogue. Reforming the Democratic Party doesn't have much to do with Trump tbh. The man won less votes than Mitt Romney. This is not like picking up the pieces after Reagan, the base did not abandon the party for new values. The party failed the base with a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign.
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Gail Wynand posted:Agreed. So maybe it takes a bit longer. On the other hand, our institutions have been rotting away for a while.
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thegoonofaudio posted:That's sadly true. It's going to be horrible seeing what people are going through. I mean if you haven't already seen the link and want a preview: https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656 e: v Anyone that doubts that can happen please remember how Trump spoke about the press throughout the campaign both as a group and also the way he called out individual reporters at his rallies and the reaction it drew from the crowds there. Not at all unthinkable that he will threaten and bully the press into following the party line. PKJC fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Bullfrog posted:Hey everyone. If you can afford to do so, you should donate to planned parenthood, and tell everyone you know to do so too. They're going to need it. https://secure.ppaction.org/site/Donation2?df_id=12913&12913.donation=form1 I donated. Thank you!
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thegoonofaudio posted:I was thinking of starting a site documenting the racial abuse/hate crimes minorities are starting to receive by emboldened trump supporters and am wondering if it's a good idea? This poo poo is horrible and needs to be recorded for posterity. I would like to see something like this, but I think it should have categories based on seriousness or how far the incident went. I think all the things on Shaun King's Twitter feed are happening, but a lot of white people probably don't. So if it could be a place I could point white people to where they can go from hate crime statistics to a list of convicted hate crimes to a list of reported hate crimes to curated examples from social media of all the other ones like "Somebody yelled 'go back to Africa' at me while I was jogging today." So maybe as they go through the layers of the site they can begin to let the reality of racist America wash over them without giving them an opportunity to go, "loving race-baiting liars" and going back to Drudge or Breitbart. ErIog fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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PerniciousKnid posted:He deserves some blame for being a single-minded candidate or failing to build a coalition. It would be absurd to blame Hillary for losing the general and not also blame Bernie for losing the primary. But it's not all his fault; there's plenty of blame to go around, and he and Hillary both did far more to fight Trump than I ever did. Bernie's greatest failure was inexperience on the national stage. He should have done more to build his profile before hand or some such. But he's got it now and the base loves him - he's the most popular politician in America. He talked about building a movement to go beyond just his candidacy. This is his chance. We have a national majority here with no political establishment.
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Rated PG-34 posted:When the American propaganda machine falls in line behind Trump, poo poo's going to be scary. awesome may 2015 post there dude
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Nov 11, 2016 02:43
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Who What Now posted:This election was literally "Status Quo and Incremental Progress" vs "gently caress All Minorities Forever". Everyone who didn't vote for the former approves of, or at best doesn't care about, the latter. And silence is tacit approval of bigotry. This election conclusively proved that the majority of this nation simply does not care about the lives of minorities of any kind, and will gladly see them all dead either purposefully or through apathy. Well good luck, I'm going to go realistically assess the situation and build a winning coalition so that I can enact a positive change instead of obsessing over how terrible America is and giving people like Trump the keys for the rest of eternity.
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straight up brolic posted:Take a klonopin
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thegoonofaudio posted:I was thinking of starting a site documenting the racial abuse/hate crimes minorities are starting to receive by emboldened trump supporters and am wondering if it's a good idea? This poo poo is horrible and needs to be recorded for posterity. It sounds like a good idea in theory but the people you're trying to convince that this is a problem either A. already know this or B. don't give a flying gently caress about things like evidence.
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Potato Salad posted:You are still making this not about Trump, who is the Hitler is this Hitler analogue. oh it's about trump. and how hillary made him happen she arranged a caged death match with fascism/sexism/racism and got knocked on her rear end. quote:In the other thread, I was not trying the vote shaming thing. I'm asking you what was more important than a large bundle of human and voting rights. You still haven't provided an answer other than "its unfair to ask me that." you're still not getting it, like at all. the answer is not "it's unfair to ask me that" but rather "it's idiotic to ask me that". you got your answer from the populace, "the economy stupid", and you supported a candidate that completely ignored it. for me personally, it was the humongous amount of liberal policy (environment, unions, etc. etc.) hillary tossed aside and how obviously pro-wallstreet she was. but voters in general were worried about the economy, and hillary offered nothing more than the status quo. if hillary's loyalists had pushed her more she might have actually developed a platform and won.
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Trump isn't going to become a dictator. He'll just be a vain aristocrat who will chum it up with people like Putin. The real threat is the GOP Congress.
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drat, leonard cohen died. guess he saw the election results and was like "gently caress it, i'm outta here"
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ErIog posted:I would like to see something like this, but I think it should have categories based on seriousness or how far the incident went. I think all the things on Shaun King's Twitter feed are happening, but a lot of white people probably don't. Hell, a lot of posters right in this thread don't, and argued for hours that such things don't exist.
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Who What Now posted:This election was literally "Status Quo and Incremental Progress" vs "gently caress All Minorities Forever". Everyone who didn't vote for the former approves of, or at best doesn't care about, the latter. And silence is tacit approval of bigotry. This election conclusively proved that the majority of this nation simply does not care about the lives of minorities of any kind, and will gladly see them all dead either purposefully or through apathy. Not the majority. Not even a plurality. A minority of a minority that happened to live in critical areas.
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disjoe posted:Well good luck, I'm going to go realistically assess the situation and build a winning coalition 
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PKJC posted:I mean if you haven't already seen the link and want a preview: https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656 Holy poo poo, what have we gotten ourselves into. ErIog posted:I would like to see something like this, but I think it should have categories based on seriousness or how far the incident went. I think all the things on Shaun King's Twitter feed are happening, but a lot of white people probably don't. So if it could be a place I could point white people to where they can go from hate crime statistics to a list of convicted hate crimes to a list of reported hate crimes to curated examples from social media of all the other ones like "Somebody yelled 'go back to Africa' at me while I was jogging today." Exactly, I was hoping to have something like this.
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Mantis42 posted:Trump isn't going to become a dictator. He'll just be a vain aristocrat who will chum it up with people like Putin. The real threat is the GOP Congress. i think the united front makes them both much more formidable opponents not to mention that the supreme court will uphold whatever rights they want to theow away next. nc is gonna be the new normal for voting
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Not the majority. Not even a plurality. A minority of a minority that happened to live in critical areas. No, you don't understand, poor white people are irredeemable trailer trash. How do I know this? I don't remember, I haven't called them.
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Unzip and Attack posted:It sounds like a good idea in theory but the people you're trying to convince that this is a problem either A. already know this or B. don't give a flying gently caress about things like evidence. Okay let's just not do anything ever. It's not like if we could have convinced 1-2% of Trump supporters that Trump's racist rhetoric was a real problem that he wouldn't be president right now or anything. There is a certain percentage of Trump's voters who probably can't be reached or in the words of  are "irredeemable." Who cares. A lot of Trump supporters are reachable. Attempting to show them that racist rhetoric has racist consequences is necessary.
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fishmech posted:Uh no, she's garbage. She hates refugees and wanted them blocked fromt he country, is really into Fox's thing of yelling about "radical islamic terrorism", and is pals with Sheldon Adelson. Who if you don't remember is a hardcore conservative casino magnate who was one of Trump's biggest supporters. She's also close friends with the leader of India's Bharatiya Janata Party, which is a right-wing Hindu nationalist party that also hates Muslims. Would still be more electable than Shillary
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ErIog posted:Okay let's just not do anything ever. It's not like if we could have convinced 1-2% of Trump supporters that Trump's racist rhetoric was a real problem that he wouldn't be president right now. And how would you have done that, exactly?
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As a Trump voter from a rural area, here is why Hillary lost. 1) Sticking to gun control. Liberals can't understand it but for a lot of people firearms are a core part of identity. Gun violence has become the terrorism of the left, something people are afraid of and want to respond to out of all proportion with it's actual danger. Do you, a law abiding gun owner want to continue doing what you've been doing? You must be okay with Sandy Hook! This is liberals. 2) Defending NAFTA and being the architect of TPP which is seen as another NAFTA. Rural people are working in car part factories making 10$ an hour with no benefits in a temp agency economy. Wanting to get rid of these trade deals was worth a lot of votes (coincidentally Bernie was against them too, which played well with Michigan autoworkers). 3) Dismissing large swaths of the country as "deplorables." Somebody not comfortable with trans people in the bathroom? People don't feel an obligation to personally sacrifice to make up for historical racism? Lets dismiss them out of hand as terrible and worthless, that'll get a lot of votes while endearing you greatly to people who while not sharing those views have relatives or friends that do and don't think they're worthless. 4) Not putting Americans first. These refugees won't do Americans any good. Maybe it's the 'right' thing to do, but it will consume resources of ours and not do one thing to improve the lives of most Americans. When you are touting these trade deals while defending bringing in these refugees, it looks an awful lot like you value them over us. Same goes for illegal aliens. 5) Abortion will never be acceptable to lots of people. If you think fetuses are people, then abortion is literally mass murder. To them, the woman's right to choose is the right to choose murder. There is no rational arbiter of whether a fetus is a human, it is close to axiomatic. This wasn't a dealbreaker though as Dems have won many elections with abortion as a core plank of the platform. Feel free to hurl insults, just thought I'd give you some insight as to what actual rural/conservative people think and not the caricature. I'm sure liberals will mock and ignore like they always do. For people who claim to be all about equality they sure do look down on people with different values than them.
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