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Sharkopath posted:I think the big takeaway from this election for a lot of people similar to me is to assume and take nothing for granted so just telling people to chill is gonna be hard. This is a completely reasonable and expected response to what happened. I'm not going to sugar coat that. Your feelings are entirely valid, and you feel them for as long as you need to because I don't know how I would react if I were in that situation. Just try (I know it's hard and that's perfectly okay, poo poo's real weird and bad right now) to understand that we, and presumably people with actual influence, are trying to figure out the fastest and most effective way to get back into power to protect people like you. The Democratic Party, in large part, failed you because of negligence. I, for one, don't want them to make the same mistake again.
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zh1 posted:well it's one of many reasons Don't vote for Clinton, who supposedly doesn't care about minority issues at all ever, no instead either vote for Trump who runs on an actively anti-minority campaign full of massive racists and actual KKK supporters or step aside and let him walk into the White House. Yes, this is a good strategy, those people who at least tried to stop orange Hitler are the stupid ones, don't they know what's good for them?
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Fojar38 posted:This has nothing to do with "Weimar institutions vs American institutions" It has everything to do with that. Because we committed all those atrocities and the institutions have large remained unchanged since. If you can think of some grand changes that occurred since those atrocities were committed, I'd like to know.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Oh my god give it a rest, quit quoting MLK it doesn't make you look more progressive or smart Says the guy basically mocking MLK Jr.
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Rated PG-34 posted:It has everything to do with that. Because we committed all those atrocities and the institutions have large remained unchanged since. If you can think of some grand changes that occurred since those atrocities were committed, I'd like to know. I don't think that your argument of "Actually America was already fascist since the 60's" is a particularly useful or convincing one.
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Kobayashi posted:I can't keep up, is there a thread that talks mostly about tactical developments, post-election? Or is that dispersed here? Who knows. Much like America generally, poo poo is chaos right now, just keep your head down. e: real talk it's split between this and the election thread
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PKJC posted:This does not equate to an argument that a similar path to an openly fascist government is impossible here. It's also 80 years later and with the benefit of hindsight and we still had 60 million people willingly support an isolationist strongman who ran on a campaign of hatred towards basically every disadvantaged group in the country. Right. "It can't happen here" is exactly how it ends up happening.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Oh my god give it a rest, quit quoting MLK it doesn't make you look more progressive or smart I was a Bernie supporter, try again. Also it totally makes you look progressive and smart to roll your eyes at what he said about people advocating 'no just wait to address your concerns, it'll be a better time at some nebulous future point'.
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kartikeya posted:Don't vote for Clinton, who supposedly doesn't care about minority issues at all ever, no instead either vote for Trump who runs on an actively anti-minority campaign full of massive racists and actual KKK supporters or step aside and let him walk into the White House. Jesus Christ she had serious baggage from her time in the 90s because she was pro welfare reform and pro mass incarceration. It's not all a right wing conspiracy. She lied to people and told them black kids were dangerous super predators. No one came out to vote for her. End of story. Trabisnikof posted:Says the guy basically mocking MLK Jr. Show me where I was mocking MLK.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:28
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disjoe posted:This is a completely reasonable and expected response to what happened. I'm not going to sugar coat that. Your feelings are entirely valid, and you feel them for as long as you need to because I don't know how I would react if I were in that situation. I understand and know that too, but when what I'm seeing is dudes who are also energizwd about politics posting like this Tight Booty Shorts posted:Oh my god give it a rest, quit quoting MLK it doesn't make you look more progressive or smart In multiple levels of severity up to just blaming the entire sjw machine for the loss it plays on fears and anxieties that these same discussions are going to be coming out of the newly reformed party. Obviously a random selection of Yahoo's on a forum don't represent the breadth of people actually reorganizing, but please remember that these thoughts do exist.
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kartikeya posted:I was a Bernie supporter, try again. Nice gang tag, Bernie supporter
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The next president of the United States, everyone
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kartikeya posted:Don't vote for Clinton, who supposedly doesn't care about minority issues at all ever, no instead either vote for Trump who runs on an actively anti-minority campaign full of massive racists and actual KKK supporters or step aside and let him walk into the White House.
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do any of you people have even a slight bit of self-awareness? i mean you're having this big debate about What Went Wrong and if you just looked in the mirror you'd understand
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Fojar38 posted:I don't think that your argument of "Actually America was already fascist since the 60's" is a particularly useful or convincing one. Says someone with little knowledge of history.
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Sharkopath posted:I understand and know that too, but when what I'm seeing is dudes who are also energizwd about politics posting like this I will remember and I'm sorry you have to deal with that. All I can tell you is I personally will work my hardest to make sure the party doesn't forget its duty to represent and protect people like you.
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Nov 11, 2016 03:33
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zh1 posted:do any of you people have even a slight bit of self-awareness? i mean you're having this big debate about What Went Wrong and if you just looked in the mirror you'd understand I'm neither a disaffected rust belt dem, nor a Trump voter though?
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idiotsavant posted:None of those are things that could have been changed. Trump voters are not going to vote for a Democrat.
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Well we did offer Vietnam preferential treatment of their exports, that's off the table now though.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:It's my understanding that at least in Florida, Trump owes his win to Obama voters who flipped to him instead of Clinton. This is correct, and the dems turned their backs on them by nominating Hillary, the most uniquely unqualified person to ever run for president.
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zh1 posted:do any of you people have even a slight bit of self-awareness? i mean you're having this big debate about What Went Wrong and if you just looked in the mirror you'd understand ...I'm....retarded?
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:This is correct, and the dems turned their backs on them by nominating Hillary, the most uniquely unqualified person to ever run for president. Actually she was one of the most qualified candidates ever. The word you're looking for is "unpopular."
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zh1 posted:do any of you people have even a slight bit of self-awareness? There's no growing ironicat big enough for this.
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Fojar38 posted:Actually she was one of the most qualified candidates ever. The word you're looking for is "unpopular."
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Jesus Christ she had serious baggage from her time in the 90s because she was pro welfare reform and pro mass incarceration. It's not all a right wing conspiracy. She lied to people and told them black kids were dangerous super predators. No one came out to vote for her. End of story. And therefore the solution was to vote for Trump or just not vote at all? Because that is straight up what some people are saying here, and what some Bernout assholes have been saying since he lost, and what a lot of Bernouts have been making GBS threads on people for since the election ended because it's not enough to go 'my candidate was better', we must hammer home over and over and over and over again that if you ever supported that whore at any point at any time even for the sake of trying to avoid an utter catastrophe it is you to blame, not the ones who turned their backs on every last person who is being targeted now by a Trump administration and his loving loony supporters because they just cannot comprehend the idea that sometimes the lesser of two evils IS the choice that needs to be made. Bernie loving Sanders understood this, but his most rabid fanbase didn't consider it important enough to let it loving go at least long enough not to elect Donald Trump at the head of a Republican led Congress and soon to be Supreme Court. She lost by a razor margin. Any number of factors could have prevented this, and one of the most glaring was people choosing to stay home instead of take a stand against Cheeto Hitler. But by all means, let's keep equivocating the two as if they're on the same level of bad, it's what we've been doing this entire garbage fire of an election. Tight Booty Shorts posted:Nice gang tag, Bernie supporter I guess donating to RAINN and mocking Trump's misogyny makes me a dirty Hitlery whore and erases my primary vote, good to know!
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Fojar38 posted:Actually she was one of the most qualified candidates ever. The word you're looking for is "unpopular." Popularity is literally how you get elected. As lovely as it is it's the primary qualification.
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disjoe posted:I will remember and I'm sorry you have to deal with that. All I can tell you is I personally will work my hardest to make sure the party doesn't forget its duty to represent and protect people like you. Good luck, godspeed.
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zh1 posted:Sorry i think i mistook you for someone who knew a little bit about what was going on, but you're posting here so it was my mistake You're literally calling people who voted directly to stop Trump from gaining power in the general idiots because the only way to do that was to vote for the candidate we had, not throw temper tantrums about the candidate we didn't.
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Stairmaster posted:Popularity is literally how you get elected. As lovely as it is it's the primary qualification.  you're gonna break their little brains
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Who What Now posted:Nothing the DNC does will win them anything, least of all trying to court people who don't see a single problem with destroying countless lives. So I don't see the point in pandering to racists in a completely futile and ultimately meaningless gesture. There's no good reason to do it and people's willingness ITT to sell their souls for literally nothing is both astounding and distressing. They aren't racists. They're Democratic voters who feel like they've been left out in the cold by neoliberal, centrist policies. If I'm living in a world of poo poo due to a recovery that totally passed me by and all I keep hearing is "We can't do things to help you right now, it's too hard" what incentive do I have to vote for that political party? Why do I care that everything else will go to poo poo, when no one in the main party will even go to bat for me, let alone get something passed that will help me? Hillary is on tape in secret speeches telling bankers that you need to say different things to different people - how am I supposed to read that as anything other than I'm gonna get hosed one more time? These aren't Trump voters, these are Dem votes that the party no longer stands up for. So they stayed home. The thing is, there's nothing stopping the Democrats from jumping out with progressive populism that serves the needs of those voters while still serving the needs of minorities and others. This poo poo is not mutually exclusive. If you're going to be a big tent party you still have to actually talk to everyone in the tent.
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Gail Wynand posted:Right. "It can't happen here" is exactly how it ends up happening. It CAN happen here, but saying this is some 1933 moment where Trump somehow destroys the constitution of a nation-state 238 years old and is comparable to Hitler destroying a weak, ineffective parliamentarian gov't that was only 14 years old and had no major democratic traditions is just alarmist. American fascism will not take absolute power swiftly or easily. Edit: But it can. I'm the last person to claim the US is some special snowflake or innocent. BadOptics fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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