Al! posted:

Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them.

Jenner posted:

Not to be a Jeb but please don't gloss over me and scroll by and take the time to read my earlier post in this thread. Thanks.

Higgy posted:

Hey...woah..

Counterpoint: Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them.

Higgy posted:

Hey...woah..

Counterpoint: Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them.

Weeping Wound posted:

Al! posted:

Jenner posted:

Not to be a Jeb but please don't gloss over me and scroll by and take the time to read my earlier post in this thread. Thanks.

Jenner posted:

Hello.
The Democratic Party has been circling the drain and dying for a long time. But most of us were all just too busy stuffing our heads up our asses and huffing our own farts to realize it.

W hosed up, poo poo was a mess and Democrats were able to take back the House and Senate in 2006.

In 2008 Obama DOMINATED. Democrats secured their hold on the Senate and made gains in the House but we, unfortunately, did not get the filibuster proof majority we needed in the House for various reasons.

This looks good. This is super good and promising for the Democrats but we have to look beyond the surface because while we were making gains on the federal level we were losing ground locally and losing hard.

We lost governors. We lost many various other seats in local governments. Republican-friendly local legislators built an environment beneficial to Republicans while we rested on our laurels.

We should have rallied behind Obama and pushed lefter. But we got complacent meanwhile the Republicans had their own movement. They let their rage and displeasure with the election manifest behind the Tea Party movement. They rallied a disheartened and devastated base behind the cause of a more right-leaning party. The Republicans looked at a popular rejection of right wing conservatism and not only did they not balk but they said, "gently caress it, let's go righter!"

Local governments controlled by conservatives passed extensive Voter ID laws and gerrymandered loving everything. And federally Republicans did everything they could to just endlessly obstruct and block loving everything. They refused to work with Obama and they refused to compromise and find common ground.

Compare to now where Elizabeth Warren (I used to adore her, now I'm losing so much respect for her) and many others are saying they're willing to work with President Trump. Like, I know we've been crushed out of every branch of government and we do not have the power Republicans had when they were kind of in our position but even when we had them on the ropes we still opted to be the better person, respect them, and tried to play nice and all that got us is progressively more marginalized. The Republicans did not reciprocate, they spat in our loving faces. Now we are a toothless minority of a minority and we most likely can't do poo poo but Jesus loving christ gently caress us.

Mercy and kindness really is weakness.

Anyway, in 2010 Republicans rallied around their Tea Party movement, bolstered by new, young, fresh and more conservative blood and aided by the gerrymandering, voter suppression, and naturally low Democratic turn out Tea Party candidates dominated and Democrats failed to get the numbers they needed to hold the line. We lost the House and were just barely clinging to the Senate. And we lost more locally. It was the census year, lines were redrawn and gerrymandering reigned supreme.

The new Republican House majority continued to obstruct and block loving everything. We couldn't do poo poo.

In 2012 we lost the Senate and we lost more locally and unlike Democrats, who finally accepted W's Supreme Court Nominee after a bit of bullshit. The Republicans just completely blocked Obama's Supreme Court Nominees for loving ever. Sure we got one through (I think) but we're not getting the other one. Especially not now that they know they won the election and can get a SCJ they like.

So yeah, we got played. We played nice and tried to be fair and decent. The belief and understanding was that if we treated them with respect they would return the favor. They did not, so while we were being the Nice Guy Republicans plotted against us, spat in our faces, and stabbed us in the back. We got hosed.

It got this way because hardly anybody, especially Democrats, gives a poo poo about local elections. They don't bother to show up and vote but Republicans do. Because of voter apathy in the local scene we got pushed out and Republicans got to set the rules.

And because we didn't show up enough in mid term elections they got the House and the Senate back.

And because not enough of us got out to vote in the general election Trump won and they held and gained ground in the Senate.

So, if we're going to come back from this we gotta do what the Republicans did in 2008. We gotta start a movement. We have to create our own version of the Tea Party and we've got to rally behind it.

We've got to mobilize and vote in huge numbers in EVERY election. We have to vote Democrats into local positions and if there are no Democrats running for local positions people among us have to become candidates themselves and run in local elections.

And we have to win. We have to get out in enough numbers and climb out of this pit and we have to win. But now the voters are so apathetic and suppressed and the districts are so gerrymandered that it is going to be a huge loving uphill climb.

And we probably have to find a way to appeal to and win back working and middle class whites.

And good loving luck getting Democrats to get out and vote and loving care. Even now, in the height of our despair, the 49% of people who did not vote are just loving shrugging their shoulders and god loving drat it gently caress us.

It was a nice ride everyone.
RIP.

Higgy posted:

Hey..woah..

Counterpoint:

Weeping Wound posted:

It is a good post that deserves your attention! Here, let's bring it up for this page:

Lastgirl posted:

Lastgirl posted:

I mean I get it, for now everyone's hysterical but this is way too D&D jesvs

Mcdonalds, meltdown etc.

[D&Dishly] Ahem, my good sir you make a salient point, but actually you are wrong because this is a populist movement in America and we will continue our fight on, and allow me to preface this by stating why...

Al! posted:

hey uhhhhh no fair that was my selfie i took after hillary lost the election.

Al! posted:

Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them.

bump_fn posted:

counterpoint:

Not a Step posted:

The problem with that is it concentrates the rural vote down ever further until all thats left are no hopers who can't escape and have to deal with being the one demographic in America it's ok to make fun of. Then those people vote for literally anyone who says they can help, or, failing that anyone who says they will make everyone else suffer. Thats how state governments fall, and how President Elect Donald 'loving' Trump wins the presidency.

And then city dwelling elites carry on making fun of them and screaming at them for being useless hicks while they keep dying of alcoholism and opioids and the cycle resets.

But the thing is if you can't find it in your (nonspecific, generalized you, not C-Euro) heart to empathize with those people and hate them too much to ever try and appeal to them, you really don't even need them because there's a large enough base of out there to deliver those states to a black man twice. You could try talking to those people and maybe someday work your way up to caring about people you disagree with.

Jenner posted:

Not to be a Jeb but please don't gloss over me and scroll by and take the time to read my earlier post in this thread. Thanks.

Phi230 posted:

Its a problem with Nite Crew culture, you see

all this crew on crew violence!

Lastgirl posted:

I mean I get it, for now everyone's hysterical but this is way too D&D jesvs

Mcdonalds, meltdown etc.

[D&Dishly] Ahem, my good sir you make a salient point, but actually you are wrong because this is a populist movement in America and we will continue our fight on, and allow me to preface this by stating why...

Princess Di posted:

I don't just disagree with them. They hate me and they hate my people.

How do you have a dialogue with someone who doesn't see you as a person, let alone as someone similar to them who can legitimately relate to them on any basis.

How do the oppressed have free and open dialogue with their oppressors?

Thoguh posted:

I think this is a core assumption of a lot of people on the coasts but I really don't think it holds up. For a lot of people getting out is a priority. But also for a lot of people, including educated ones, there is a desire to stay in the middle of the country. And even the shitiest, redest states like Kansas have towns like Lawrence that are very progressive and cosmopolitan. And if somebody wants a huge city places like Minneapolis and Kansas City provide that at a fraction of the cost of living of the big cities on the coast. Accepting that not everybody wants to live in New York or LA is one of the things the Democrats are going to have to do if they want to come back.

Fullhouse posted:

people posting literally constantly about their crew is stupid cliquish nonsense that belongs in anime chat threads and nowhere else

Thoguh posted:

Like it or not Trump is going to be president and he ran on a populist platform that had a lot of overlap with what Bernie and Warren want to accomplish. If they can use him to get some economic reforms through and real infrastructure spending done then that's a good thing.

Like, who gives a poo poo if Trump is the one guillotining bankers as long as they're being guillotined.

mrmcd posted:

Working class / rural policy discussions aside, can we just take a moment to appreciate how unbelievably bad Hillary is at running for President?

She flipped 6 loving Obama 2012 states to Donald "grap em' by the pussy" Trump, handed him the Presidency, a supreme court seat, and a great big golden toilet with which to flush the last 8 years of D projects and legacy.

Like this is an order of magnitude above Shook Nate's shookiest predictions.

mrmcd posted:

Working class / rural policy discussions aside, can we just take a moment to appreciate how unbelievably bad Hillary is at running for President?

She flipped 6 loving Obama 2012 states to Donald "grap em' by the pussy" Trump, handed him the Presidency, a supreme court seat, and a great big golden toilet with which to flush the last 8 years of D projects and legacy.

Like this is an order of magnitude above Shook Nate's shookiest predictions.

Thoguh posted:

Like it or not Trump is going to be president and he ran on a populist platform that had a lot of overlap with what Bernie and Warren want to accomplish. If they can use him to get some economic reforms through and real infrastructure spending done then that's a good thing.

Like, who gives a poo poo if Trump is the one guillotining bankers as long as they're being guillotined.

Princess Di posted:

I don't just disagree with them. They hate me and they hate my people.

How do you have a dialogue with someone who doesn't see you as a person, let alone as someone similar to them who can legitimately relate to them on any basis.

How do the oppressed have free and open dialogue with their oppressors?

Atrocious Joe posted:

he's going to guillotine random jews because he's good friends with all the bankers

he adopted populist economic rhetoric and is not going to redistribute any actual wealth

bump_fn posted:

you come up with a mutual enemy, rich bankers seem like a good start

Jenner posted:

Not to be a Jeb but please don't gloss over me and scroll by and take the time to read my earlier post in this thread. Thanks.

Lastgirl posted:

if you are talking about Our Long National Nightmare 2016-?: Zack rips the DNC a new rear end in a top hat thread

it's ironic nihilism, don't read too much into it, its part of a subculture of posters who have been posting in here for a year

In fact you might want to decompress for a while, go walk. Play a game, treat yourself to something (yesterday I went and got a strawberry banana milkshake and I don't do that), go read a book. Go outside. Turn off the TV, turn off this forum.

If it's not that thread, then you need to tell me what thread it is to make sure that there isn't plotting for violence, thank you.

mrmcd posted:

Working class / rural policy discussions aside, can we just take a moment to appreciate how unbelievably bad Hillary is at running for President?

She flipped 6 loving Obama 2012 states to Donald "grap em' by the pussy" Trump, handed him the Presidency, a supreme court seat, and a great big golden toilet with which to flush the last 8 years of D projects and legacy.

Like this is an order of magnitude above Shook Nate's shookiest predictions.