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The Fighting Slowpokes

mrmcd posted:

Working class / rural policy discussions aside, can we just take a moment to appreciate how unbelievably bad Hillary is at running for President?

She flipped 6 loving Obama 2012 states to Donald "grap em' by the pussy" Trump, handed him the Presidency, a supreme court seat, and a great big golden toilet with which to flush the last 8 years of D projects and legacy.

Like this is an order of magnitude above Shook Nate's shookiest predictions.

haha feminist hero hillary clinton who tried so hard to convince women to vote in their first female president lost the white female vote to a literal rapist by 10 points

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Princess Di: Apr 23, 2016; by zen death robot

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You don't. That's why you have to stay militant, and preferably left wing. Because there isn't going to be any kind of government assistance any more unless you live in a decisively Democratic district.

That makes sense to me.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:27

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

Princess Di posted:

They seem like a great start to me too.

But how do I get them to take me seriously enough to even listen to what I have to say?

Remember, they have already judged me before I have opened my mouth to be unimportant and to have unimportant opinions. That political debate with me is not unlike discussing politics with a dog.

talk about how rich bankers are the ones that have hosed their lives. empathize with the legitimate problems of their lives, don't focus on yourself. you know what can make someone be angry and hosed up enough to vote for trump? more than half their family hooked on opioids cause they hurt their back working in an amazon factory

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:27

Abrasive Obelisk: May 2, 2013; ~~I joined th~~
ROVPACK IN THE HOOUUUUSE!

he still knows...

Atrocious Joe posted:

*was

So what should we do now? Is it worth it searching for an internship for my local Senator or Rep?

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:28

Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Fullhouse posted:

people posting literally constantly about their crew is stupid cliquish nonsense that belongs in anime chat threads and nowhere else

counterpoint: Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them.

Not a Step stepped on loving rake after me trying explain to this poster to not worry about it and get some air and some perspective because he's some weird bitter person who continues to harp on this for months, while yes he makes some good points but he can stand to leave the D&D at the door. There are going to be new rules incoming and he's not gonna gel with that either :chloe:

I do take note of this grievance and I do want threads to be somewhat on topic and this will be sorted out when the dust settles, but Not A Step picked up a rock and threw it at me. Please, just carry on. For your sake.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Define "D&Dishly" please.

Whatever Not A Step did. It's a casual subforum (seriously, read the subtext), don't make a bunch of paragraphs and smugly circle jerk over it and get into flamewars, otherwise there is D&D right over there.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:27

Typo: Aug 19, 2009; Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Atrocious Joe posted:

he's going to guillotine random jews because he's good friends with all the bankers

he adopted populist economic rhetoric and is not going to redistribute any actual wealth

he genuinely believes what he says on trade and immigration (and absolutely nothing else)

and oh yeah somehow hillary comes across as a bigger liar than trump

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:28

Rand alPaul: Feb 3, 2010; by Nyc_Tattoo

Lastgirl posted:

Lol

I mean, yea I get it. It's just something I want you to keep in mind when the dust begins to settle is that this is C-SPAM. So once all the racism concern trolling and gbs and d&d leave after they finish their round of gloating etc and there are no more electionchat.

The difference here that I'm letting you know is to not post like D&D about it, otherwise you might as well just post in D&D imo and we wouldn't really need C-SPAM.

Keep it casual friend.

and definitely don't whine about primaries, it's november freakin 10th~ (I even voted for Bernie)

Do complain about the DNC though, thats on them~

Better yet, make fun of them.

When is :bernget: coming back?

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:28

BeefThief: Aug 8, 2007

I am actually starting to think that eliminating the minimum wage and economic protectionism actually would bring the jobs back, but that assumes the point of a job is just to have something to do, not to be able to live a decent life.

If the rural folks are willing to work for peanuts like the chinese slaves are, why wouldn't I open a hammer-handle factory across from Doobie Dogs. I can do it with zero qualifications and bigly debt too!

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:29

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

Abrasive Obelisk posted:

*was

So what should we do now? Is it worth it searching for an internship for my local Senator or Rep?

if they're not trash then yes. also get in touch w your local democratic party to try to attend meetings to get your voice heard

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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Al! posted:

oh god, dont tell me some of you idiots actually believed trump was a secret class warrior

don't pin Zizek's endorsement on me

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Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Nite crew culture is pretty terrible and will inevitably metastasize into the cancer that kills this subforum. The one downside to the HillShill Toxx Amnesty is that it didn't permanently remove them.

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Acelerion: May 3, 2005

Atrocious Joe posted:

To be fair, not many people could manage a GE loss to Donald mother loving trump.

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HannibalBarca: Sep 11, 2016; History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

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# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:31

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You don't. That's why you have to stay militant, and preferably left wing. Because there isn't going to be any kind of government assistance any more unless you live in a decisively Democratic district.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:32

Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Cyron posted:

it was Our Long National Nightmare 2016-?: Zack rips the DNC a new rear end in a top hat, i always had a issue with sarcasim on the internet.

i am going to get some egg nog, turn on Christmas music, play some overwatch and just think about this amazing toy i got my 2 year old nephew for his birthday, it micky mouse clubhouse figures and it the only set with pete.

Ok, thank you.

I'm sorry you got it mixed up, don't worry. I promise you, most of it comes from mocking people doomsaying the entire election so it has picked up on its own. It's not serious and half the time people were drunk doing this (still are)

That sounds like an excellent idea, I hope you have fun

Do check back when this subforum gets formalized, it will be a lot more calmer if you want to participate in the discussions. There will probably be more generalized topics that isn't about elections.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:31

Deimus: Aug 17, 2012

BeefThief posted:

I am actually starting to think that eliminating the minimum wage and economic protectionism actually would bring the jobs back

Unless every American work for less wages than they do then nope jobs aren't coming back, welcome to the global labor market that the US imposed on the rest of the world decades ago.

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lazorexplosion: Mar 19, 2016

Jenner posted:

Hello.
The Democratic Party has been circling the drain and dying for a long time. But most of us were all just too busy stuffing our heads up our asses and huffing our own farts to realize it.

W hosed up, poo poo was a mess and Democrats were able to take back the House and Senate in 2006.

In 2008 Obama DOMINATED. Democrats secured their hold on the Senate and made gains in the House but we, unfortunately, did not get the filibuster proof majority we needed in the House for various reasons.

This looks good. This is super good and promising for the Democrats but we have to look beyond the surface because while we were making gains on the federal level we were losing ground locally and losing hard.

We lost governors. We lost many various other seats in local governments. Republican-friendly local legislators built an environment beneficial to Republicans while we rested on our laurels.

We should have rallied behind Obama and pushed lefter. But we got complacent meanwhile the Republicans had their own movement. They let their rage and displeasure with the election manifest behind the Tea Party movement. They rallied a disheartened and devastated base behind the cause of a more right-leaning party. The Republicans looked at a popular rejection of right wing conservatism and not only did they not balk but they said, "gently caress it, let's go righter!"

Local governments controlled by conservatives passed extensive Voter ID laws and gerrymandered loving everything. And federally Republicans did everything they could to just endlessly obstruct and block loving everything. They refused to work with Obama and they refused to compromise and find common ground.

Compare to now where Elizabeth Warren (I used to adore her, now I'm losing so much respect for her) and many others are saying they're willing to work with President Trump. Like, I know we've been crushed out of every branch of government and we do not have the power Republicans had when they were kind of in our position but even when we had them on the ropes we still opted to be the better person, respect them, and tried to play nice and all that got us is progressively more marginalized. The Republicans did not reciprocate, they spat in our loving faces. Now we are a toothless minority of a minority and we most likely can't do poo poo but Jesus loving christ gently caress us.

Mercy and kindness really is weakness.

Anyway, in 2010 Republicans rallied around their Tea Party movement, bolstered by new, young, fresh and more conservative blood and aided by the gerrymandering, voter suppression, and naturally low Democratic turn out Tea Party candidates dominated and Democrats failed to get the numbers they needed to hold the line. We lost the House and were just barely clinging to the Senate. And we lost more locally. It was the census year, lines were redrawn and gerrymandering reigned supreme.

The new Republican House majority continued to obstruct and block loving everything. We couldn't do poo poo.

In 2012 we lost the Senate and we lost more locally and unlike Democrats, who finally accepted W's Supreme Court Nominee after a bit of bullshit. The Republicans just completely blocked Obama's Supreme Court Nominees for loving ever. Sure we got one through (I think) but we're not getting the other one. Especially not now that they know they won the election and can get a SCJ they like.

So yeah, we got played. We played nice and tried to be fair and decent. The belief and understanding was that if we treated them with respect they would return the favor. They did not, so while we were being the Nice Guy Republicans plotted against us, spat in our faces, and stabbed us in the back. We got hosed.

It got this way because hardly anybody, especially Democrats, gives a poo poo about local elections. They don't bother to show up and vote but Republicans do. Because of voter apathy in the local scene we got pushed out and Republicans got to set the rules.

And because we didn't show up enough in mid term elections they got the House and the Senate back.

And because not enough of us got out to vote in the general election Trump won and they held and gained ground in the Senate.

So, if we're going to come back from this we gotta do what the Republicans did in 2008. We gotta start a movement. We have to create our own version of the Tea Party and we've got to rally behind it.

We've got to mobilize and vote in huge numbers in EVERY election. We have to vote Democrats into local positions and if there are no Democrats running for local positions people among us have to become candidates themselves and run in local elections.

And we have to win. We have to get out in enough numbers and climb out of this pit and we have to win. But now the voters are so apathetic and suppressed and the districts are so gerrymandered that it is going to be a huge loving uphill climb.

And we probably have to find a way to appeal to and win back working and middle class whites.

And good loving luck getting Democrats to get out and vote and loving care. Even now, in the height of our despair, the 49% of people who did not vote are just loving shrugging their shoulders and god loving drat it gently caress us.

It was a nice ride everyone.
RIP.

If, somehow, Trump actually does make a token effort to help blue collar workers and you decide 'yes, now it the time to fight Republicans on everything including this thing' then :suicide:

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the bitcoin of weed: Nov 1, 2014

Rand alPaul posted:

When is :bernget: coming back?

seriously what happened we still have loving :bernout:

and everything

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:31

the bitcoin of weed: Nov 1, 2014

HannibalBarca posted:

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/796914768854519808

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lmao

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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Mook's name should have disqualified him

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ClassActionFursuit: Mar 15, 2006

Thoguh posted:

I think this is a core assumption of a lot of people on the coasts but I really don't think it holds up. For a lot of people getting out is a priority. But also for a lot of people, including educated ones, there is a desire to stay in the middle of the country. And even the shitiest, redest states like Kansas have towns like Lawrence that are very progressive and cosmopolitan. And if somebody wants a huge city places like Minneapolis and Kansas City provide that at a fraction of the cost of living of the big cities on the coast. Accepting that not everybody wants to live in New York or LA is one of the things the Democrats are going to have to do if they want to come back.

Not to mention that the more concentrated their base becomes the further it dilutes their voting power. With their current distribution and doing their best they can win a national election but that's it. The house is a lost cause and the senate is maybe within their grasp but they'll have to get their poo poo together fast. Meanwhile the sea of red in the middle has grown almost large enough that the Republicans could probably realistically make an effort to pass a constitutional amendment.

The entire system was designed explicitly to penalize trying to concentrate power in the cities and given the state of the electoral map, I'd say the system is working. If the Democrats wish to be relevant they have to expand inland.

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Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Rand alPaul posted:

When is :bernget: coming back?

I'll look into it when things calm down. Thank you for reminding me, namaste.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:33

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

HannibalBarca posted:

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/796914768854519808

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# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:34

Princess Di: Apr 23, 2016; by zen death robot

bump_fn posted:

talk about how rich bankers are the ones that have hosed their lives. empathize with the legitimate problems of their lives, don't focus on yourself. you know what can make someone be angry and hosed up enough to vote for trump? more than half their family hooked on opioids cause they hurt their back working in an amazon factory

I can listen to people's problems all day. I'm actually that type of person, that people want to confide in, even when they don't know me.

They just have to deem me a worthy confidante, and therein lies the rub.

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Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

theory: the mods knew hillary was going to win so they kept a few bernie gifs around

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Patter Song: Mar 26, 2010; Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.; Fun Shoe

So...turnout update. We're up to 127.1 million votes counted, compared to 129.2 in 2012 and 131.4 million in 2008. There are easily at least 3-4 million more votes to count, so 2016 might end up having more votes cast than any other election.

Clinton's vote total is now past 60 million, leaving her the 5th most voted for candidate ever, behind Romney 2012 (~61 million), Bush 04 (~62 million), Obama 2012 (~65 million), and Obama 2008 (~69 million...nice). Clinton will definitely pass Romney 2012 and probably pass Bush 04, settling for third most voted for candidate.

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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Bobby Mook is the name of a Star Wars character that fucks up planning a rebel assualt

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Abrasive Obelisk: May 2, 2013; ~~I joined th~~
ROVPACK IN THE HOOUUUUSE!

he still knows...

Acelerion posted:

To be fair, not many people could manage a GE loss to Donald mother loving trump.

Well, to be fair, the GOTV system failed, but-

HannibalBarca posted:

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/796914768854519808

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# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:36

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Princess Di posted:

That makes sense to me.

Pomp posted:

Join any kind of socialist party that provides direct assistance services to the people in your community. The PSL is a good one if they're in your area. A lot of people should go back and read up on the Black Panthers' Free Breakfast Program to get a good idea of exactly the kind of work that we're going to need in the near future.

Enter the Democratic Party, great. Swing that apparatus wide to the Left, good. But people on the ground are going to need more than a gameplan for 2018 & 2020.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:37

Venom Snake: Feb 19, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

HannibalBarca posted:

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/796914768854519808

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I had a conference call that talked about this today! I hope mook is sent out to sea on a raft!

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:38

Typo: Aug 19, 2009; Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

HannibalBarca posted:

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/796914768854519808

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she's so bad at this

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:37

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

If Republicans are insane enough to get rid of Free Meal programs for schools, that should obviously be the first thing to work on directly.

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nachos: Jun 27, 2004; Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

lmao that is worse than orca in 2012

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Truther Vandross: Jun 17, 2008

Patter Song posted:

So...turnout update. We're up to 127.1 million votes counted, compared to 129.2 in 2012 and 131.4 million in 2008. There are easily at least 3-4 million more votes to count, so 2016 might end up having more votes cast than any other election.

Clinton's vote total is now past 60 million, leaving her the 5th most voted for candidate ever, behind Romney 2012 (~61 million), Bush 04 (~62 million), Obama 2012 (~65 million), and Obama 2008 (~69 million...nice). Clinton will definitely pass Romney 2012 and probably pass Bush 04, settling for third most voted for candidate.

lol she's gonna possibly be one of the top 3 most voted for people ever and she's going to lose because the Excel for Dummies book she bought Mook didn't come with an Appendix about the Electoral College.

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KIND OF A KIM DEAL: Oct 28, 2016; by zen death robot

If you are actually truly that serious about American politics then maybe instead of balloon-pulling other good people having harmless fun and de- compressing during off-hours while don't you get off your computer and go accomplish something real and positive instead of just sitting on your rear end and D&D posting faux-intellectual garbage on a comedy web subforum?

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:39

Princess Di: Apr 23, 2016; by zen death robot

BeefThief posted:

I am actually starting to think that eliminating the minimum wage and economic protectionism actually would bring the jobs back, but that assumes the point of a job is just to have something to do, not to be able to live a decent life.

If the rural folks are willing to work for peanuts like the chinese slaves are, why wouldn't I open a hammer-handle factory across from Doobie Dogs. I can do it with zero qualifications and bigly debt too!

Exactly.

We need to invest in education and make college free for everyone so that they can make lucrative salaries also.

We should invest in them. Not ignore them like I have to admit Hillary did or lie to them like Trump did.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:39

DaveWoo: Aug 14, 2004; Fun Shoe

Patter Song posted:

So...turnout update. We're up to 127.1 million votes counted, compared to 129.2 in 2012 and 131.4 million in 2008. There are easily at least 3-4 million more votes to count, so 2016 might end up having more votes cast than any other election.

Clinton's vote total is now past 60 million, leaving her the 5th most voted for candidate ever, behind Romney 2012 (~61 million), Bush 04 (~62 million), Obama 2012 (~65 million), and Obama 2008 (~69 million...nice). Clinton will definitely pass Romney 2012 and probably pass Bush 04, settling for third most voted for candidate.

https://twitter.com/CASOSvote/status/796885789502124032

That'll probably give her another 3 million votes or so. Not that it matters in the long run, but whatevs.

# ? Nov 11, 2016 04:39

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

Atrocious Joe posted:

don't pin Zizek's endorsement on me

sorry not directed at u just too lazy to quote the right post

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The Fighting Slowpokes

KIND OF A KIM DEAL posted:

If you are actually truly that serious about American politics

lol

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Man Musk: Jan 13, 2010

that the mobilisation (or not) of this or that demographic was decisive;

that he tapped the angry anti-establishment mood;

that he spoke for millions who felt abandoned by the prosperous and progressive;

that American nativism was always far stronger than liberals wanted to think;

that he was a celebrity candidate for the celebrity-obsessed age;

that he rode the tiger of post-truth politics;

that making America great again was a cut-through message in a militaristic and imperial nation;

that white men (and many white women) had had it with political correctness;

that misogyny swung it;

that the mainstream media failed to call him out;

that it is a verdict on the Barack Obama years;

that Mrs Clinton was always the wrong candidate;

that there was racist dirty work in the voting system;

that it was the Russians who won it for him.

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