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Homework Explainer posted:there's not a lot of good reporting from there because so much of the media is opposition- or privately owned and they all hate the psuv telesur also will just post things that are just click bait headline with really no actual article when you click on it there's also ecuador, i don't have any news sources that look objectively at it, but some of my family lives there and it seems like rich people hate it and poor people mostly like it. Next years election will be interesting. Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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i don't know enough about venezuelian politics, but the vibe i've gotten is that maduro poo poo on chavez legacy
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Nov 11, 2016 02:14
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:I need good books to read, suggestions? click through to get the list. inline quotes aren't allowed for some reason Homework Explainer posted:this isn't the complete list (found here). i removed most of the non-essentials and some of the essentials, too. because sadly, we can't all be academics.
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next to the really really important stuff so you know what's a Top Pick from your old pal, the homework explainer
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:I need good books to read, suggestions? Wrt race in America The New Jim Crow is great, but you (or some dude with that same avi) were on the ground in Ferguson during the protests right? So probably rehashing poo poo you know. I started reading From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation now and its pretty good so far
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Karl Barks posted:i don't know enough about venezuelian politics, but the vibe i've gotten is that maduro poo poo on chavez legacy Maduro is just not a good leader. Having a mediocrity at the helm during an oil crisis wasn't great timing.
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:I need good books to read, suggestions? The Origins of Totalitarianism by Hannah Arendt
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Homework Explainer posted:click through to get the list. inline quotes aren't allowed for some reason pm me the formatted list, i'll stick in in the OP
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The Kingfish posted:The Origins of Totalitarianism by Hannah Arendt Are the origins Plato's Republic?
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personally i'm not sure which i'm looking forward to more, dying of destitution in trump's america or giving my life for the glorious glorian revolution god, how i long for death
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Deimus posted:Are the origins Plato's Republic? The book is split into three parts: The history of modern antisemitism The history of Capitalist Imperialism The Origins of Totalitarianism Its one of the most interesting and woke books that I've ever read. Just finished it two days ago and now I'm starting over again with it.
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The Kingfish posted:The book is split into three parts: Very cool, i might try it out. Am I right to assume antisemitism started in the middle ages among the nobility? afaik Christians weren't allowed to give loans and so the kings went to the Jews who were allowed. When the nobility wouldn't be able to pay off those loans they resorted to convincing the peasants of supporting pogroms? Is that how modern antisemitism started at all or am I crazy. Deimus fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Deimus posted:Very cool, i might try it out. Not really, its actually quite distinct from medieval antisemitism but I don't think I can explain it well enough without reading the book again another time. If I remember correctly it has to do with the Jews lack of political awareness and the fact that they allied themselves with the State (as opposed to the aristocracy) during the 17th century. E: its a fascinating read, but very dense. Partway history partway anthropology partway philosophy. The parts where she talks about The Mob as having a societal character distinctly different from the masses or the people was brilliant. The Kingfish fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 04:24
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good meeting with the dsa tonight. bunch of new faces and some cpusa guests. probably our biggest gathering up to this point. i think the normally liberalish people are more responsive to anticapitalist talk than before.
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I unironically think that unless there is massive upheaval in the DNC, PSL and the other socialist parties could win house seats in 2018 if they play up how the DNC and GOP have abandoned them. Especially if they do poo poo like free food drives or soup kitchens or what have you to actually help people instead of merely vacuuming up campaign donations to dump into TV ads like neoliberals always do
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Nov 11, 2016 05:44
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Larry Parrish posted:I unironically think that unless there is massive upheaval in the DNC, PSL and the other socialist parties could win house seats in 2018 if they play up how the DNC and GOP have abandoned them. Especially if they do poo poo like free food drives or soup kitchens or what have you to actually help people instead of merely vacuuming up campaign donations to dump into TV ads like neoliberals always do maybe but a better use of their time and resources would be in building a mass movement through the things you mentioned. it's a tougher road to hoe and will take a long time but it's very possible
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Homework Explainer posted:maybe but a better use of their time and resources would be in building a mass movement through the things you mentioned. it's a tougher road to hoe and will take a long time but it's very possible We can do both. Obviously first and foremost should be class struggle, but politics is a perfectly possible tool to use and indeed should be used.
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PSL, DSA, there's a lot of competing parties out there though. edit: didn't the DSA endorse obama lol SSJ_naruto_2003 fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 06:54
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The DSA is also blinded by identity politics. Good example of the neoliberal plot in action
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Oh my god dude the problem wasn't identity politics it was the singular focus on identity politics as your only strategy. People want to help each other. Let them.
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Nov 11, 2016 07:03
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the best part of the dsa is their official policy that socialism is whatever it means to you in your heart
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Larry Parrish posted:I unironically think that unless there is massive upheaval in the DNC, PSL and the other socialist parties could win house seats in 2018 if they play up how the DNC and GOP have abandoned them. Especially if they do poo poo like free food drives or soup kitchens or what have you to actually help people instead of merely vacuuming up campaign donations to dump into TV ads like neoliberals always do in the past, I've had luck with clothing drives with lightly-used clothes. launder everything, put it out, and let people know they're making a bigger difference than dropping off a box at their local Goodwill (where they'll just resell everything back for a tidy profit)
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Nov 11, 2016 07:06
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i just feel like a group that endorsed obama is probably not that socialist, idk. better than the DNC i guess
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Homework Explainer posted:maybe but a better use of their time and resources would be in building a mass movement through the things you mentioned. it's a tougher road to hoe and will take a long time but it's very possible National electoral politics is a road to nowhere for the left probably I think local races could be a possibility though. Suburban poverty is increasing as the poor are increasingly priced out of cities. Most suburbs were established to be little bastions of white supremacy with a small electorate and tax base only big enough to sustain a police force. White flight, disinvestment, and deindustrialisation has hit a lot of these towns hard since about the 1990s, as increasing numbers of black and brown residents have moved in. Since these municipalities are pretty small and have low turnout for local elections, it might not be that hard to get some dedicated socialists elected. This would all presumably be done to help run and fund wider social programs run by the mass movement. There's a lot of caveats with this. Presumably any attempt to do this in a GOP controlled state, and most Dem controlled states, would just result in the state outlawing municipalities from doing whatever social welfare program you're looking to do. Here's an article with some numbers and links. quote:By 2012, suburbs were home to nearly as many high poverty tracts as cities (4,313 versus 5,353), and almost half (46 percent) of all metro area poor residents living in high-poverty tracts lived in suburbs.
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Homework Explainer posted:there's not a lot of good reporting from there because so much of the media is opposition- or privately owned and they all hate the psuv https://venezuelanalysis.com/ often has very well-informed and enlightening articles from a bolivarian revolution perspective
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Fiction posted:We can do both. Obviously first and foremost should be class struggle, but politics is a perfectly possible tool to use and indeed should be used. yeah that's true. getting some seats in congress or wherever would automatically grant reds a platform, legitimacy and a leadership role in whatever movement is being built outside the electoral system. kshama sawant is only a city councilor but is widely known, for instance but election victories shouldn't serve as the be-all end-all (we have a world to win) and dsa tends to fall into that mindset
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DSA just has a lot of olds and had to survive a Red Scare. I'm sure an infusion of young blood could take them in a workable direction.
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You should all watch this, especially the first 40 minutes. Richard Wolff is great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0IwIOUg_Cs
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Personally I'm one of those guys who believe the president is almost powerless outside of foreign policy, and that domestic policy is far more important at the moment than foreign policy, therefor focusing on local elections and programs and maaaaybe house seats is ideal compared to mass movements basically focused on getting the Democrats to pay attention to us I'm a maniac though
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reformism probably won't work but it is worth trying alongside other methods, i agree
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VirtualStranger posted:You should all watch this, especially the first 40 minutes. Richard Wolff is great. Just watched this before, it's really good.
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VirtualStranger posted:You should all watch this, especially the first 40 minutes. Richard Wolff is great. Been watching these Richard Wolff monthly updates for around a year now. All have been informative.
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Larry Parrish posted:Personally I'm one of those guys who believe the president is almost powerless outside of foreign policy, and that domestic policy is far more important at the moment than foreign policy, therefor focusing on local elections and programs and maaaaybe house seats is ideal compared to mass movements basically focused on getting the Democrats to pay attention to us well that's why internally there should be an understanding that the democrats can go gently caress themselves if they attempt to piggyback, what with that party being the graveyard for movements historically and all and if you have the manpower (possible; this election is a hell of a recruitment drive) you can do both without sacrifice
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VirtualStranger posted:You should all watch this, especially the first 40 minutes. Richard Wolff is great. Guy makes capitalism sound absolutely loving retarded, and I say that as someone who's never really identified as anti-capitalist.
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That's because it is. Capitalism is merely the logical extension of the mercantilist system and before that be guild system. Both of those are totally loving retarded too.
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AHungryRobot posted:Guy makes capitalism sound absolutely loving retarded, and I say that as someone who's never really identified as anti-capitalist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4 This is my favorite one, it's well worth watching to anyone reading this.
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