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I have no idea how his presidency will unfold and I hope he turns out to be an excellent president, but I don't hold much hope. But it did lead me to a question: is it possible for Trump to get primaried in 2020? If everything does go to poo poo and he can't work together with his Republican Congress, can they put forward someone else?
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nimby posted:I have no idea how his presidency will unfold and I hope he turns out to be an excellent president, but I don't hold much hope. But it did lead me to a question: is it possible for Trump to get primaried in 2020? If everything does go to poo poo and he can't work together with his Republican Congress, can they put forward someone else? yes, you can run against the incumbent if you want. that's what george mcgovern did. it almost never works but it can happen
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He'd be more likely to be primaried if things were going decently but he wasn't adhering to Republican orthodoxy.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:40
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nimby posted:I have no idea how his presidency will unfold and I hope he turns out to be an excellent president, but I don't hold much hope. But it did lead me to a question: is it possible for Trump to get primaried in 2020? If everything does go to poo poo and he can't work together with his Republican Congress, can they put forward someone else? There's no way to know or even guess.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:41
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nimby posted:I have no idea how his presidency will unfold and I hope he turns out to be an excellent president, but I don't hold much hope. But it did lead me to a question: is it possible for Trump to get primaried in 2020? If everything does go to poo poo and he can't work together with his Republican Congress, can they put forward someone else? There's no way to know that yet. No one has any idea how Trump is going to perform, what obstacles he will face, and whether congress will be able to work with him.
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Potato Salad posted:Describe to me, with examples and detail in policy, the poo poo treatment given. I am talking socially, not policy. I'm responding to the accusation that the liberal elite don't want to associate socially with the rural poor by pointing out neither do the conservative elite. Trump doesn't hang out socially with "hillbillies" does he?
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I don't think that's ever happened. An Incumbent being replaced by someone in his own party during his 2nd term election. It'd just completely fracture their party.
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Trump will not get primaried in 2020. In fact, at this point I'm inclined to not doubt Trump on pretty much any situation. I do hope his narcissism extends to wanting history to look favorably on him and not just cow-towing to every GOP whim, but I won't be surprised if things like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, ACA, etc... all get radically revamped. Also I expect one country to get bombs flung into it that probably didn't need it. Boon fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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nimby posted:I have no idea how his presidency will unfold and I hope he turns out to be an excellent president, but I don't hold much hope. But it did lead me to a question: is it possible for Trump to get primaried in 2020? If everything does go to poo poo and he can't work together with his Republican Congress, can they put forward someone else? It's possible, yes, but incredibly unlikely to happen. Hollismason posted:I don't think that's ever happened. An Incumbent being replaced by someone in his own party during his 2nd term election. It'd just completely fracture their party. Yeah, either the primary effort is unsucceessful (Ted Kennedy vs. Carter in '80) or the incumbent sees the writing on the wall and opts not to run (LBJ in '68).
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Nov 11, 2016 17:42
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Hollismason posted:I don't think that's ever happened. An Incumbent being replaced by someone in his own party during his 2nd term election. It'd just completely fracture their party. They're already fractured. Much of Trump's own party was fighting against him during this race. And yet they're still in power.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:43
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Boon posted:I do hope his narcissism extends to wanting history to look favorably on him Sure. He wants to go down in history as the Noble Hero who smashed the evil forces of healthcare, tolerance, and immigration. Don't assume that the historians he wants to impress are those liberal professors in their ivory towers.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:They're already fractured. Much of Trump's own party was fighting against him during this race. And yet they're still in power. They sure as poo poo weren't fractured enough to get him elected. Yes, there are some Republicans ( a majority) who do not like him , but basically throwing your party into Civil War then watching the Democrats pick up all the seats and elections is not going to happen.
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corn in the bible posted:you people really don't understand a drat thing do you Because the poor hate black people and queer people more than they want to be helped.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:45
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nimby posted:I have no idea how his presidency will unfold and I hope he turns out to be an excellent president, but I don't hold much hope. But it did lead me to a question: is it possible for Trump to get primaried in 2020? If everything does go to poo poo and he can't work together with his Republican Congress, can they put forward someone else? Historically when this happens, the incumbent sees the writing on the wall and declines to run for reelection. But Trump being Trump, who knows.
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Pollyanna posted:This is the tragedy here. Racial struggle and class struggle are intertwined, now and forever. We've only now been forcefully taught this question. The greatest joke the Neoliberals ever played on us all was to convince us that we could have one or the other. This can be seen how they have jsut as much as any Conservative perverted the legacy of MLK a great socialist who we are told only just wanted everyone to have the chance to be rich, rather then all of us to have a chance to get by. Also on the side of both racial justice and getting white millennials who either sat out or the not extremely racist ones who supported Trump to support us. Pot Legalization. Combine this with seeking to let out anyone ever convicted of selling or having it and we can gain traction. The war will only be lost when we let them win.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Sure. He wants to go down in history as the Noble Hero who smashed the evil forces of healthcare, tolerance, and immigration. Don't assume that the historians he wants to impress are those liberal professors in their ivory towers. I think he cares more about the opinions of important people + the masses. Not so much liberal professors. The guy wants to be loved and respected. He found that in the fringe right, but I honestly think he wants it from elsewhere too.
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Sharkopath posted:Also said to not advocate waiting for social change because waiting only leads to being left behind again but whatever. I think you only need to look at the subsection of white feminists that immediately abandoned black women once they got in a position where they were closer to white men. You need to make sure you fight for social change at the same time as economic because once people's lives are better they don't just suddenly become not racist.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:47
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Hollismason posted:I don't think that's ever happened. An Incumbent being replaced by someone in his own party during his 2nd term election. It'd just completely fracture their party. it happened in 1968 and it did indeed destroy the party
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Nov 11, 2016 17:46
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As an MBA student who is looking at Healthcare Administration or Medical Devices - I find all of this to be terrifying and fascinating at once. I will say that there is hope for the future - of my MBA class, many were on the verge of tears Wednesday morning, and all but two people were pretty much sullen and distraught - the faculty was not thrilled except that they'd been through rough elections before. Basically, I feel the need to plug that business schools aren't the terrible, awful places that some people who have never been imagine them to be Boon fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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I feel like the worst outcome so far is the legitimization of the conspiracy tiny media bubbles like Breitbart and other alt-right crockshit.
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Boon posted:Trump will not get primaried in 2020. In fact, at this point I'm inclined to not doubt Trump on pretty much any situation. I don't think he has a real compass on what is a good policy and what isn't. Not objectively 'good' of course, but I don't think he has an actual set of beliefs to fall back on, and if his inner circle knows how to manipulate him into policies they want by telling him the country will love them but they're actually terribly harmful, then, well.. As an addendum, he has made public statements that the country loves Medicare and Social Security and this was to people at CPAC, so who knows? pacerhimself fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 17:47
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Potato Salad posted:...the loving utter abandonment of rural america we see under the rule of red legislatures... Rural NH born and raised checking in and I'm not going to gently caress off. You asked and I gave a partial answer. And this quoted bit is not universally true. When my mother was a child and the local mills started shuttering, it was a staunch Republican returning from federal office that chose our area to build a new company and hire the laid-off workers. A lot of federal and state level politicking was involved to do so but he genuinely cared. When the state was considering raising senior ski pass prices at state-owned Cannon Mountain, Republican legislators from the North were the biggest opponents pointing out to the Southern Democrats that they were trying to rob social security money from an at-risk group in one of the poorest parts of the state. The local R state rep. that I dislike on a personal level is a massive supporter of the local rec. center and childrens' programs. In fact, she was the only R box I ticked at the polls. Hell, despite being the single politician that has drawn out the most of my personal contempt and anger, I even have to give Kelly Ayotte an appreciative nod for fighting the more destructive parts of the Northern Pass in defense of both the conservation of the forest and the vital tourist revenue depending on it. I absolutely appreciate state Democrats for their support of WIC, gay marriage, heating assistance, healthy kids, and all that but New Hampshire has good apples in the Republican party. Lumping them into a generic demonization of the GOP only makes their constituents defensive. Vermont is a whole other world and just crossing the river is an unbelievable change in both environment and society. I'll leave you to comment on that.
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Nov 11, 2016 17:49
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I think he cares more about the opinions of important people + the masses. Not so much liberal professors. The guy wants to be loved and respected. He found that in the fringe right, but I honestly think he wants it from elsewhere too. This si why I think if the GOP tries to destroy medicare and Social security Trump will choose to trigger a party civil war. He can look then like the man of the people fighting against the elites. If he cannot be the elite he will tear them down. Sylink posted:I feel like the worst outcome so far is the legitimization of the conspiracy tiny media bubbles like Breitbart and other alt-right crockshit. Yeah one of our long term goals should be reeducation camps for them.
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Coheed and Camembert posted:A few more, including Robert Reich have called for the entire current DNC leadership to step down. Thanks for the link. Reich gets everything right, but then again literally everything he talked about is stuff leftists have been discussing for over a decade. The DNC establishment knew all of this yet they continued to push their neoliberal policies. Why the gently caress did they keep doing that even though it was obvious the only people benefitting were those already at the top? It's been known for a long time now that wages have been stagnant or even declining, people feel less secure about their jobs because of the utter devastation of labor unions and a clusterfuck of ballooning rent prices, college tuition and automation continue to assail people from all sides. Reading that just made me angrier. The Democratic Party let the hateful pieces of poo poo on the right take over the working class movement. I remember reading threads on D&D back in 08 talking about all this poo poo. Who the gently caress could have guessed the Republican Party would be the one to really push in that direction first? Lmao That article triggered me 
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Sylink posted:I feel like the worst outcome so far is the legitimization of the conspiracy tiny media bubbles like Breitbart and other alt-right crockshit. MSM media reported that Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women, Breitbart said Hillary was into witchcraft and satanism. It's really the same thing. pacerhimself fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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My new favorite thing is Trumpists saying Clinton didn't win the popular vote since not voting was a tacit endorsement of Trump. Because it's true and it's also an admission that people like him only win when no one gives a poo poo.
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Scent of Worf posted:Thanks for the link. Reich gets everything right, but then again literally everything he talked about is stuff leftists have been discussing for over a decade. The DNC establishment knew all of this yet they continued to push their neoliberal policies. Why the gently caress did they keep doing that even though it was obvious the only people benefitting were those already at the top? It's been known for a long time now that wages have been stagnant or even declining, people feel less secure about their jobs because of the utter devastation of labor unions and a clusterfuck of ballooning rent prices, college tuition and automation continue to assail people from all sides. Money - it's needed to run national campaign operations.
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Deified Data posted:My new favorite thing is Trumpists saying Clinton didn't win the popular vote since not voting was a tacit endorsement of Trump. Didn't Trump actually win the popular vote too in the end?
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Crowsbeak posted:The greatest joke the Neoliberals ever played on us all was to convince us that we could have one or the other. This can be seen how they have jsut as much as any Conservative perverted the legacy of MLK a great socialist who we are told only just wanted everyone to have the chance to be rich, rather then all of us to have a chance to get by. Also on the side of both racial justice and getting white millennials who either sat out or the not extremely racist ones who supported Trump to support us. Pot Legalization. Combine this with seeking to let out anyone ever convicted of selling or having it and we can gain traction. The war will only be lost when we let them win. This is absolutely what's happening and I hope against hope that we can pull this off. I'm scared, I want it to happen, but I'm still scared.
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Radish posted:I think you only need to look at the subsection of white feminists that immediately abandoned black women once they got in a position where they were closer to white men. You need to make sure you fight for social change at the same time as economic because once people's lives are better they don't just suddenly become not racist. Most feminists are interested in a broad section of civil rights, not just women's rights. That's why they get mocked as "social justice warriors" by people who can't understand that being a woman and seeing the glass ceiling might also make you more sympathetic to the interests of black men who can't even get a job interview. Disclaimer: There are individual feminists who are batshit crazy and prejudiced against any group you might imagine. But don't take them as the norm. The average feminist is pro-most-other-minority-rights, even if women's rights are their chosen specialty (can't do everything at once.)
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Is there any indication as to what Trump is going to do about the Jewish Question?
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Under the vegetable posted:Didn't Trump actually win the popular vote too in the end? No, Hillary won the popular vote by 1.5%. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/opinion/clintons-substantial-popular-vote-win.html?referer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F2ZIqE8s38k
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Have some feel goods thread: http://9gag.com/gag/ajqEV90?ref=fbp
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Doredrin posted:Is there any indication as to what Trump is going to do about the Jewish Question? He's going to fight (((Globalism))).
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Under the vegetable posted:Didn't Trump actually win the popular vote too in the end? Not as of yet, current vote counts still give Hillary a 450k vote lead.
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That lead will only grow as more provisional ballots are counted. It takes a couple weeks to get them all.
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Doredrin posted:Is there any indication as to what Trump is going to do about the Jewish Question?
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Butch Cassidy posted:When my mother was a child and the local mills started shuttering, it was a staunch Republican returning from federal office that chose our area to build a new company and hire the laid-off workers. A lot of federal and state level politicking was involved to do so but he genuinely cared. When the state was considering raising senior ski pass prices at state-owned Cannon Mountain, Republican legislators from the North were the biggest opponents pointing out to the Southern Democrats that they were trying to rob social security money from an at-risk group in one of the poorest parts of the state. The local R state rep. that I dislike on a personal level is a massive supporter of the local rec. center and childrens' programs. In fact, she was the only R box I ticked at the polls. Hell, despite being the single politician that has drawn out the most of my personal contempt and anger, I even have to give Kelly Ayotte an appreciative nod for fighting the more destructive parts of the Northern Pass in defense of both the conservation of the forest and the vital tourist revenue depending on it. Genuinely "compassionate conservatives" deserve praise. Sometimes it's better for a centrist to join the Republican party and try to moderate it, rather than the Democratic party and drag it to the right. Conservatives sometimes have an issue with extrapolating from their own experience. So if they are kind-hearted, they might run a food bank for the local poor, but distrust the poor from the next town, because they don't know them and have heard bad things about "their type." So they vote against welfare bills that would make their own food bank unnecessary, because they can't trust the poor in other places to be as deserving as the ones they know personally. But honestly, how "at risk" can those seniors have been if they were skiing a lot? That doesn't sound like something the frail, sick, or hungry would do. Am I lacking empathy here?
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Harry Reid has spokenquote:“I have personally been on the ballot in Nevada for 26 elections and I have never seen anything like the reaction to the election completed last Tuesday. The election of Donald Trump has emboldened the forces of hate and bigotry in America.
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