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radical meme posted:In the spirit of getting all of the problems on the table up front, here's something to consider: So your predicting a conspiracy to falsify the counts?
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the person complaining about no experience was complaining that voters voted for a candidate that had "no experience" vs a candidate with tons of experience. this is an utterly ridiculous complaint if you reverse the situation and consider a liberal candidate w/ no political experience vs a conservative candidate with tons of political experience. if you were a hillary supporter and in the above scenario wouldn't vote for the conservative candidate, then shut the gently caress up about the winning candidate having "no experience"
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Zythrst posted:So your predicting a conspiracy to falsify the counts? more like something along the lines of what the canadian conservatives did with the census http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/murtaza-haider/harper-long-form-census_b_5614355.html
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Zikan posted:oh god we're gonna get a harper 2011 census lol It's a terrifying prospect but it hasn't happened yet. It's something to be aware of and to fight tooth and nail against, but it's still just a possibility until after he's inaugurated.
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I feel there needs to be another Bernie meme thread just to get it out of the way. Granted would 2 years of memes really even hold up until 2018?
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comedyblissoption posted:the person complaining about no experience was complaining that voters voted for a candidate that had "no experience" vs a candidate with tons of experience. Guess what Trump is going to destroy a lot of good things because he had no experience. Being progressive and experienced are not mutually exclusive.
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bump_fn posted:look its fun to poo poo on the neoliberal failures but you don't have to permanently write off people who think like this and think we lost because of [insert podesta excuse here]. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-camp-formally-launches-republicans-hillary-effort/story?id=41258531 People's really identify with their political party it seems to me. Fast Luck has issued a correction as of 01:42 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Zythrst posted:So your predicting a conspiracy to falsify the counts? No but, you can be willfully dense if you want to. The GOP has had proposals on the table for the last decade on reforms they wanted to the Census. They've never been able to push them through and now they can.
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i am gonna call up my state's dnc office monday. i almost think it'll be redundant because i'm in oregon and there's little doubt to me that they will go for ellis anyway (people in this state fuckin LOVE bernie) but gently caress man i have never been so fired up as i am after this election. channel your anger into action.
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ThndrShk2k posted:I feel there needs to be another Bernie meme thread just to get it out of the way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oqfT38eCdM etalian has issued a correction as of 01:44 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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A Winner is Jew posted:lazy, complacent, and after ratings Chris Hayes has yet to acquiesce to the peoples' demand and go on Chapo.
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etalian posted:Also one of Hillary's great accomplishment was serving as matchmaker to set Huma up with Weiner. 5 dimensional Mook chess all the way down!
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Can we talk now about how the idea that "demographics are destiny" is basically unreconstructed race science?
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ThndrShk2k posted:I feel there needs to be another Bernie meme thread just to get it out of the way. https://my.mixtape.moe/gzpitm.webm
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Can we talk now about how the idea that "demographics are destiny" is basically unreconstructed race science? i dont know what that is but it bothered the poo poo out of me that the goal seemed to be to wait until a poor-off demographic had no functional voice
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radical meme posted:Man I don't know. But, the first thing they have to do is find some younger standard bearers to rally around; they need people in the House and Senate to start pissing off both the GOP and more established people in the Democratic party; people who start making a name for theirself. It took Ted Cruz less than a year to piss off every Republican in the Senate and he made a name for himself doing it; he marked his territory and rode it all the way into the primaries. I really think that's the biggest challenge right now, the Democratic party needs some people to become a rallying point, other than Warren and Sanders who are both too old. I'm not against full socialism but it just doesn't sell in the U.S. Plus, any hope of doing anything legislatively is gone for the next 2 years at the very least. I see your point. I think you have very valid points here.
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Anyone acting like this is just a normal election loss and "we'll put the gang back again in no time!" is missing the entire loving point. People are pissed. They're pissed because the capitalist class loving savaged the wage class and those of us in the salary class (many of us here including me) have sat by and allowed it to happen because we substituted cheaper iPhones from overseas in place of actual rising incomes. The wage class has been exploited to the point of near extinction, and hollowed out towns blot the entire loving nation. These people have been loving savaged by capitalists. And the Democratic Party has done nothing but sneer at them for over a decade. These people's anger is why every loving election for the last decade except 2012 has been a massive gently caress you election. 2006, 2008, 2010, 2014, 2016 - all massive gently caress you elections. The only reason 2012 was any different was the raw political power of Barack Obama and loving Laughing My rear end Off if you believe that will happen again in our lifetimes. People are loving pissed and lashing out because the party in power offers ZERO loving solutions besides waiting out the clock until these people loving die. The party not in power offers ZERO loving solutions besides swearing the other guy did it and offering to go punch them in the loving nose. We're supposed to be the Democratic loving Party. We're supposed to be the party that protects people from capitalists and loving helps those who have been savaged by capitalism. Here's a giant loving group of people who have been absolutely savaged by the capitalist class, and instead of helping them or protecting them we've sneered at them and laughed about them being dumb loving hicks and proposed bullshit policies that boil down to encouraging the kids to flee and hoping the parents die soon. We need a New Deal. We need to give these people Real Jobs. We need to put solar power and wind power factories in these towns. We need to put research centers and local clinics in these towns, hire researchers and doctors from the local state colleges, and hire locals for all the HR, security, accounting, procurement, shipping, reception, and all the other support positions. Will these federal facilities give everyone a job? No! But the only factory in town never employed everyone either! The only factory in town just paid enough people enough money to support the gas station, the cafe, the three general stores, the diner, the couple other restaurants, the liquor store, the bank, the veterinarian, and the half dozen other stores. You don't have to employ everyone, just give the people who are already here the income to support the town again. Maybe you could do this with a minimum income. But these people don't want to loving sit at home all day and collect a check once a month. They want to feel like they're actually loving doing something! They want to feel like they're part of something! They want to get paid for putting in a a good day's work! So take liberal priorities like clean energy or research or healthcare and put these loving people to work already!
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OAquinas posted:But simply being a fresh-faced (or orange misshapen blob) candidate opens you up to attacks based on naivety and ignorance. Not being aware of how the sausage is made really limits your effectiveness, and gates you from doing the stuff you promised/want to do. There's a reason congress is like 95% lawyers. The US Should update it's usability with laymans term translations of legalese. I also believe they should go a step further and translate it into logical scripting too.
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Well What Now posted:They weren't loving all in on it unless you stretch the definition of "in on it" beyond all meaning. They were lazy and complacent and shirked their duty to the nation and its people. That's bad enough without exaggeration. Don't become a leftist version of Alex Jones. Lmao! You did not! Lol! No but really, I hate CNN with the burning hatred of a thousand suns. It will take much vodka to burn away all of that hatred. They really hosed with my emotions this election season and I never felt genuinely informed about anything while watching them. They are to news what Coke Zero is to water. If it's life or death on a deserted island the difference matters. Boy, did it matter this time. CNN: 
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radical meme posted:Man I don't know. But, the first thing they have to do is find some younger standard bearers to rally around; they need people in the House and Senate to start pissing off both the GOP and more established people in the Democratic party; people who start making a name for theirself. It took Ted Cruz less than a year to piss off every Republican in the Senate and he made a name for himself doing it; he marked his territory and rode it all the way into the primaries. I really think that's the biggest challenge right now, the Democratic party needs some people to become a rallying point, other than Warren and Sanders who are both too old. I'm not against full socialism but it just doesn't sell in the U.S. Plus, any hope of doing anything legislatively is gone for the next 2 years at the very least. You can piss people off as long as you are primary proof, and from a safely blue/red state. Why do you think Cruz was phonebanking for the guy who called his wife ugly and his dad an accomplice to the JFK murder?
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A few months ago I was looking through some old filing cabinets that had been moved to the basement decades ago. On the side of one of them was a sticker with a bald eagle holding an American flag with the words "PROUD UNIONS, PROUD AMERICANS" underneath it. Whoever slapped that sticker on the side of that filing cabinet 30 years ago is exactly who we need to reach out to. A proud loving American who wants to go to work everyday, put in a good 8 hours, and go home proud of what they did. Put facilities in these loving towns and give these people some real loving jobs. We have so many loving messes in this country that need cleaning up. Tax the loving capitalists that sent their jobs overseas and give these people some loving jobs again.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:People are loving pissed and lashing out because the party in power offers ZERO loving solutions besides waiting out the clock until these people loving die. The party not in power offers ZERO loving solutions besides swearing the other guy did it and offering to go punch them in the loving nose. Hillary won voters whose most important issue was the economy by 10 points. Obama lost that group to Romney by 4 points. People just flat out didn't like Hillary, and among voters who cared more about immigration/terrorism Hillary lost by 30 points. But please proceed to tell us more about how this was a failure about the party's economic policy.
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mrmcd posted:I would say that classism is the primary reason we were so blind to the fact we were mooking this thing. I would say racism and classism were involved. Due to the fact that working class minorities were also blindsided by this thing.
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I can't help but suspect Schumer is backing Ellison with the intention of stabbing him in the back and getting him removed once he's served his purpose and rebuilt the DNC. Him rolling over so quickly is either unprecedented surrender or a trap.
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TyrantWD posted:Hillary won voters whose most important issue was the economy by 10 points. Obama lost that group to Romney by 4 points. People just flat out didn't like Hillary, and among voters who cared more about immigration/terrorism Hillary lost by 30 points. Nationwide. Get me those numbers in the rust belt "Blue Wall" that fell.
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Shear Modulus posted:Him rolling over so quickly is either unprecedented surrender Considering what just happened........
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TyrantWD posted:Hillary won voters whose most important issue was the economy by 10 points. Obama lost that group to Romney by 4 points. People just flat out didn't like Hillary, and among voters who cared more about immigration/terrorism Hillary lost by 30 points. Here's an area where we can help people who have been loving savaged by the capitalist class and support current Liberal policies at the same time. Win or loss this election, why the gently caress wouldn't we want to do that?
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lmao i just remembered/realized something ever since the billy bush tape dropped pundits would repeatadly beg the trump surrogates to make this a campaign of issues. they were begging the wrong campaign
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TyrantWD posted:Hillary won voters whose most important issue was the economy by 10 points. Obama lost that group to Romney by 4 points. People just flat out didn't like Hillary, and among voters who cared more about immigration/terrorism Hillary lost by 30 points. You're pretty aggressively missing the point. Those numbers are counted from among people who showed up to vote. Turnout was super low because Clinton didn't give middle America a good enough reason to care. You need a message. Bernie's message was top-notch.
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Cubey posted:i am gonna call up my state's dnc office monday. i almost think it'll be redundant because i'm in oregon and there's little doubt to me that they will go for ellis anyway (people in this state fuckin LOVE bernie) but gently caress man i have never been so fired up as i am after this election. Same here.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Here's an area where we can help people who have been loving savaged by the capitalist class and support current Liberal policies at the same time. Win or loss this election, why the gently caress wouldn't we want to do that? Because the Democratic Party is the party of the bourgeoise and the ruling elite; both groups demand someone to feel superior too and if the working class bad pride they would not be able to feel superior.
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I'm talking about pumping out solar panels and windmills, advancing scientific research, and giving people free healthcare. Oh and we're giving desperate poor people good paying jobs. And self proclaimed liberals are loving attacking me for these ideas. Are you loving kidding me?
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Shear Modulus posted:I can't help but suspect Schumer is backing Ellison with the intention of stabbing him in the back and getting him removed once he's served his purpose and rebuilt the DNC. Him rolling over so quickly is either unprecedented surrender or a trap. I thought that at first, but the person he backed for the presidency hosed the pooch so badly that not only did they lose to a reality star spouting bullshit but hosed downstream elections in Congress. It's probably more of a "gently caress it, what's the worst that can happen?" mentality more than anything else.
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Grondoth posted:Nationwide. I think the better argument is that the guys who are paranoid about immigration and terrorism are paranoid because of economic issues. Think of economic concerns as poo poo in a toilet. If there's a little poo poo, it all stays in the toilet. If there's a gigantic pile of poo poo, it gets stuck and backflows and poo poo goes everywhere. The malaise about a bad economy becomes so significant, and so all-consuming, that it starts poisoning a viewpoint and leaking into other places, places where there shouldn't be poo poo. This might not be the best analogy but I hope it helped.
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Larry Parrish posted:Because the Democratic Party is the party of the bourgeoise and the ruling elite; both groups demand someone to feel superior too and if the working class bad pride they would not be able to feel superior. The Democratic Party has been overtaken by the capitalist class. But if they overtook it, we can overtake it too.
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Excuse I'm getting tired of seeing in places: "Hillary did talk economics, the media just didn't cover it!"
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:The Democratic Party has been overtaken by the capitalist class. But if they overtook it, we can overtake it too. And all you have to do to shut them up is say "president Donald Trump"
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