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Venom Snake posted:Agreed. Sure, but you're going to have compromises and fuckups no matter what. If Obama had a fraction of the balls LBJ had people would wave away his awful policy accomplishments with healthcare for all and he'd be regarded as one of the best presidents for all time. Instead he compromised and make the ACA, which is a colossal fuckup. If he delivered accessible health care that people understood and the GOP tried to take it away there'd be revolution in the streets.
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Lastgirl posted:pretty much this, once the dust settles it will get better i am drinking mint green tea and playing wow, maybe this weekend i may visit a friend just to talk, her goal is to be a sober person trying to help people get over this eather by talking massages or other new agey stuff, it may be bs but it worth trying in dark times. sitting alone drunk and sad is not good for anyone.
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comedyblissoption posted:bernie didnt have the proper foreign policy experience that involved supporting absurdly terrible american wars and rightwing coup governments You are entirely right My favorite parts of the democratic primary were the attacks on bernie for his "lack of foreign policy experience" by educated liberals. Hillary Clinton is incompetent on a good day. She voted for the Iraq war, the biggest unforced error in foreign policy since the vietnam war. In her defense, her backers said, everyone else in congress was doing it too. Do you want someone like that as a chief executive? Someone who does what's expedient, instead of what's right? She showed up in moscow with a toy "reset button" to repair relations with the russians as though putin and his cronies were children and not owners of a nuclear arsenal. She pushed heavily for intervention in Syria against Assad. If we tip the balance in Syria against Assad, the least worst case is the United States having an active hand in a genocide, the absolute worst case is picking a shooting war with the russians. Hillary couldn't manage a bowl of loving jello.
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WINNINGHARD posted:You are entirely right She also convinced Obama to change his mind on Libya.
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Good news outa Texas: https://twitter.com/JoshDorner/status/797262382481424384 Probably going to be in play by 2024. If white working class + college educated join the base probably 2020 even. Iv heard good things out of the state party.
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Dems have 4 years to get their poo poo together. By then we should have had be in our next scheduled recession with an immensely unpopular Republican government. If they nominate another corporate stooge it's torches and pitchforks time.
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Cyron posted:i am drinking mint green tea and playing wow, maybe this weekend i may visit a friend just to talk, her goal is to be a sober person trying to help people get over this eather by talking massages or other new agey stuff, it may be bs but it worth trying in dark times. sitting alone drunk and sad is not good for anyone. Yea that's kind of why we have this space to chill out, a lot of c-spammers come and go, we also tuned in for the elections, had like 300+ people, it was crazy. Anyone's free to come, even day crew~ More info about it right here! Definitely a good idea to keep from getting too heated, but still channel that fkn anger into legitimate action as people discussed earlier!
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Can we talk now about how the idea that "demographics are destiny" is basically unreconstructed race science?
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:It's very easy to attribute things to racism, isn't it? I bet those people won't double down on their positions at all. I see. Thanks for the article.
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These were Bernie's appointments to the platform committeequote:Sanders’s choices include James Zogby, a pro-Palestinian activist who is president of the Arab-American Institute in Washington and a frequent commentator on Arab-Israeli issues. Sanders also picked Cornel West, a liberal author and racial justice activist who has been a Sanders surrogate. Sanders also named Rep. Keith Ellison of Minnesota, among his most prominent elected backers, author and environmental activist Bill McKibben and Native American activist Deborah Parker.
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NecroMonster posted:going to say it again, bernie still wouldn't have won, because, despite the hill camp's claims to the contrary, he wasn't willing to lie But by not running Hillary you've put Trump's grotesqueness in play. As horrible as coastal elites think Trump is as a person, red staters feel that way about Hillary. The thing is that aside from the die-hard racists who the Dems aren't going to win no matter what, there is a significant amount of red-staters who aren't racist but saw Hillary and Trump as equally horrible people so the math just cancelled out. If the Dems had run someone that people didn't think was an unredeemable opportunist who lacked any principles whatsoever, DJT would have turned off many, many more people, particularly if his populist message was being echoed by the Democratic candidate as well.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:But there is only one other cable package available and it didn't contain the channels you wanted either. So your option was Cinemax or no TV at all. And half the population cut the cord. Next time nominate Netflix. No it was basic cable vs the deluxe package. The deluxe package only has one channel and it has bad reception and its Cinemax. Now no one likes basic cable and we would all prefer Netflix. But the deluxe package never had anything going for it because it was a scam. That's the sad thing, they thought there would be plenty of other channels to watch on a brand new flat screen. That sleazy sales dude fooled them all.
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I can't wait until we purge the DNC, get Keith as our chair and crush Trump with Bernie in 2020 like he would have this year.
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etalian posted:She also convinced Obama to change his mind on Libya. I left it out in the interest of brevity - keep it coming. The clintonites dont give a drat about any american except the ones that will fund them
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WINNINGHARD posted:You are entirely right Fast Luck has issued a correction as of 03:43 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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NecroMonster posted:going to say it again, bernie still wouldn't have won, because, despite the hill camp's claims to the contrary, he wasn't willing to lie I don't know if this would have worked for Donald Trump, though. Trump lying his rear end off didn't matter because Clinton was completely untrustworthy. But if he's up against a real honest politician with actual principals? Stuff might have mattered. Zikan posted:everyone needs to remember that beyond the presidential we need to prepare for the state and local elections as well because... This is the most terrifying prospect I have ever faced while following American politics. Holy gently caress. comingafteryouall has issued a correction as of 03:45 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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LastInLine posted:But by not running Hillary you've put Trump's grotesqueness in play. As horrible as coastal elites think Trump is as a person, red staters feel that way about Hillary. The thing is that aside from the die-hard racists who the Dems aren't going to win no matter what, there is a significant amount of red-staters who aren't racist but saw Hillary and Trump as equally horrible people so the math just cancelled out.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Things like social networks, life experiences, type of employment and union membership are just as important in determining beliefs in many social theories, but are hard for data firms to track. So you get a politics of what your data guys can track, and it winds up they think of things in terms of race science. Hot sauce and Beyonce for the black turnout, Abuela for the Latinos, and Lena Dunham for white women. Actually talking to people, learning of their concerns, and making a good faith effort to address them is better than whatever the gently caress Clinton 2016 just did.  This kind of SV thinking just blew up in our faces so spectacularly and we need to make sure we learn a lesson from it. Except, instead of air balling the latest whacky chat app with someone else's VC money the whole country got president Trump. Tech is a tool, and possibly a very powerful one, but it's not a substitute for actual political skill, organizing, listening to people, and persuading them to join your coalition. Obama understood this I think because of his previous experience in Chicago. Mook went whole hog on the SV big data cult and ended up in a bubble so tight they suffocated on their own farts.
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cams posted:https://twitter.com/simongerman600/status/797245073197060096 how can we use this to sell rural america on wealth redistribution
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Grondoth posted:They have no power anymore. This is hilariously optimistic at best, and incredibly naive at worse.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Wow our politics are diseased Seriously. I didn't think it was possible for people get have a lower opinion of her since her last tonedeaf tweet but here we are. I'm actually curious if she will survive until the March turnover at this rate.
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Zikan posted:everyone needs to remember that beyond the presidential we need to prepare for the state and local elections as well because... This is the most important and to do it, it has to be done in red states. We can block some things by working harder in swings to sway the house and senate, but all the presidency gets us is the veto. It's the state legislatures and the midterms where Democratic enthusiasm actually needs to exist for once.
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Fast Luck posted:Hillary's ghastly foreign policy is the biggest silver lining of this whole President Trump debacle. Maybe now we'll work with Russia to take out Al Qaeda in Syria instead of bombing Assad, like Hillary was completely frothing at the mouth to do. Her foreign policy was literally hellish, from taking millions from the Saudis and Qatar to destroying Libya to wanting to risk nuclear war with Russia to oust Assad, holy poo poo she was bad. This sure didn't lead to her loss imo, nobody really seemed to care, but jesus I expect the neocons slither their way into a Trump administration, although they're probably going to be restricted to drones and air power for their pet wars so the troops aren't at risk. Idk what wider US foreign policy will look like and I doubt even Trump does An immediate detente with Russia would be nice, as the Blob has gotten real flippant lately about how nice it would be to have a short, little war with them resar posted:https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/donald-trump-election-polls-whites-working-class/ Saw the url and was shocked this wasn't by Connor Kilpatrick
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A Winner is Jew posted:this Concern Trolls gonna Concern Troll, ain't no thing 
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https://twitter.com/markos/status/796767945334648832 DailyKos getting dark man
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Atrocious Joe posted:Saw the url and was shocked this wasn't by Connor Kilpatrick
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/markos/status/796767945334648832 Man I wish for once we could actually wait for these fascists to show up and try to take our poo poo from us before completely capitulating.
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I don't want Trump to crack down on the press. I want ratings to loving plummet for 24/7 news networks. Their reaction to the loss is just making me angrier.
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This video just popped up on my facebook and it seems to be gaining traction with both sides of the isle. I thought you all might like it. https://www.facebook.com/viralthread/videos/598130190359668/
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/markos/status/796767945334648832 Same except not really, but do something to spook them
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Shinjobi posted:I don't want Trump to crack down on the press. Truth. MSM is just as much as to blame, to even goad into a horse race narrative too, playing with fire all the time.
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mrmcd posted:
In the coming years the better campaigns will blend big data and conventional political organizing. My guess is Mook and company kept on overfitting their prediction models so that at the end they didn't reflect reality anymore. They also had to have made assumptions not included in the models to gently caress up so bad in the rust belt.
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Yeah this is the poo poo that should worry everyone. It's not just that the Dems need to find a way to appeal to the WWC to win the presidency. That poo poo isn't even always necessary. It is true that we could probably just ride non-whites and city liberals and charismatic candidates. That poo poo will absolutely not fly in taking the house or governorships or state legislatures and without those the Dem Party will never do a loving thing. You need to have a big party and big message to appeal to a bunch of different configurations of demographics jackofarcades has issued a correction as of 04:06 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:Actual response to this is I think "demographics are destiny" ideology hosed up the Dems more than "identity politics" Extremely Hot Take incoming: Alienated people who voted for Trump were absolutely right to do so, because if Clinton had won the establishment would claim to be validated (despite losing Congress, and downtickets) and then nothing would have changed. Their lives would still be mired in the poo poo while every woke pipsqueak confidently asserted that they don't matter.
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