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hey, anyone interested in Mark Blyth, here's the article he says sums up the election: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals i read it and liked it (i don't know how to embed a tweet, otherwise i'd do that) RaySmuckles fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Non Serviam posted:Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19 "WE DEMAND A DO-OVER, THE PREVIOUS VOTE WAS JUST FOR PRACTICE"
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Nov 12, 2016 05:29
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Thatim posted:What do people think about the tensions that are showing. I guess the protests will be over in a week or so. But what about the sudden surge of racism? I mean, I am a straight white dude and it is making me sick to my stomach. I can only try to imagine what it would be for minorities. The effects of the sudden surge of racism won't have gone away, so try not to normalize it, OK?
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Nov 12, 2016 05:30
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Admiral Ray posted:Nah. The VP has specific duties laid out by the constitution and Trump could make Pence do those boring rear end jobs (presiding over the Senate and being a lame VP) but he can't fire him. Moreover Pence wants power to pass his regressive poo poo like you wouldn't believe. There's nothing that could take him away from being a heartbeat from the presidency.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:32
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Albinator posted:The effects of the sudden surge of racism won't have gone away, so try not to normalize it, OK? I will never, sorry if I gave that impression.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:37
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Thatim posted:What do people think about the tensions that are showing. I guess the protests will be over in a week or so. But what about the sudden surge of racism? I mean, I am a straight white dude and it is making me sick to my stomach. I can only try to imagine what it would be for minorities. They're real and they're a huge problem, and we need to fight against them. Antifa time!
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Nov 12, 2016 05:37
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Jesus, CNN. Martin Savidge is in Columbus OH talking to Trump voters. It was an okay enough segment, until the end when he got into the protests and "people here say they're being paid", and it's "almost a conspiracy if you will" and they are being called to action by "a secret organization working for someone, possibly the Democrats." Thanks for postulating on neo-nazi conspiracy theories on national television.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:37
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OAquinas posted:Like a petition would even work for this. The funny thing for me is that the minute I see something hosted in change.org, due to the insane amount of idiotic things that end up there, I immediately assume "nope, gently caress that"
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Nov 12, 2016 05:37
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Admiral Ray posted:Nah. The VP has specific duties laid out by the constitution and Trump could make Pence do those boring rear end jobs (presiding over the Senate and being a lame VP) but he can't fire him. As long as he prevents Pence from enacting any of his homophobic, misogynistic, evangelical anti-LGBT stuff, I'm fine with whatever box he decides to shove him in. Unless it fucks things up anyway, in which case fire him.
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Craptacular! posted:Jesus, CNN. I guess that protests don't count if they're organized by Democrats
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e: you know what, no. i just don't like pence and he scares me more than trump.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:41
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Crowsbeak posted:I've always had the impression Obama has kind of been trapped between wanting to be the "bipartisan" leader, and a radical. Like he has never really been able to fit. I definitely get the feeling that Obama will finally be able to be radical now that he no longer has the restraints of the Presidency on him. I think he truly wanted to be bipartisan during his term, but got stonewalled by Congress from 2010-2016. I think it will weigh on him heavily and spur him to action with his social legacy set to crumble by the end of 2017.
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Pollyanna posted:As long as he prevents Pence from enacting any of his homophobic, misogynistic, evangelical anti-LGBT stuff, I'm fine with whatever box he decides to shove him in. Unless it fucks things up anyway, in which case fire him.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:43
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I wonder how Trump will react the first time he has to make a state visit somewhere
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mystic pimp posted:This is one of my greatest worries about a Trump presidency, that he's just going to let these assholes do whatever the gently caress they want and we get to see what kind of hellscape an unleashed Mike Pence is allowed to produce. We cannot let people forget that Pence exists. He is dangerous and we need to lawyer up to fight him and the anti-LGBT somehow.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:44
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Trump not wanting to stay in the White House is hilarious I am sure that the taxpayers will be picking up the bill for all the extra funds it takes to watch over him in New York.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:44
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Carlosologist posted:I definitely get the feeling that Obama will finally be able to be radical now that he no longer has the restraints of the Presidency on him. I think he truly wanted to be bipartisan during his term, but got stonewalled by Congress from 2010-2016. I think it will weigh on him heavily and spur him to action with his social legacy set to crumble by the end of 2017. Stop it, just stop it. This sounds like his "10 demensional chess" bullshit when he was capitulation on everything progressives wanted.
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I don't think Trump will want to give away the presidency but I also don't think he is even remotely prepared for the amount of stress and actual hard work it will entail. There's also virtually no way he comes out of this positively when half of the country already hates him and he will only continue to hemorrhage support when he either can't deliver on his promises or he does and suffers the backlash. In that regard I don't think it would be too difficult to beat him in 2020 but I worry that with Republicans in all 3 branches the amount of loving with voter laws will suppress minority votes so much that even massive unpopularity wouldn't unseat them. Are we in agreement that the Dems should follow up with an FDR type figure? The threads go a bit fast.Thatim posted:What do people think about the tensions that are showing. I guess the protests will be over in a week or so. But what about the sudden surge of racism? I mean, I am a straight white dude and it is making me sick to my stomach. I can only try to imagine what it would be for minorities. Volunteer and participate as much as you can if you aren't already. Donations are good too. The people who will be hurt by everything that's happening need as much support as possible to get through this nightmare. If there's any silver lining to this miserable joke of an election I hope it's that citizens become more active in the political process.
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Hollismason posted:Trump not wanting to stay in the White House is hilarious I am sure that the taxpayers will be picking up the bill for all the extra funds it takes to watch over him in New York. I wonder if the Secret Service can shut that down for whatever myriad of reasons that would be a good reason for them to do so?
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Non Serviam posted:Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19 Sure why not the last Civil War lead to the "progressives" winning !
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fknlo posted:I wonder if the Secret Service can shut that down for whatever myriad of reasons that would be a good reason for them to do so? Probably not since you know he has a penchant for just being like " You're fired" so he can probably stay where he wants. He is the President.
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Nov 12, 2016 05:52
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gohmak posted:Stop it, just stop it. This sounds like his "10 demensional chess" bullshit when he was capitulation on everything progressives wanted. I think I get what you're saying. I just finished reading a piece on this, and that Obama continued to push third way/neoliberal ideas while ignoring the progressives probably contributed to Clinton's loss. Ironically, I think Obama will have more power as a citizen where he doesn't have to deal with Democratic leadership. The Democratic leadership is gone and the base will be looking for new figures. It's easy to portray Obama as a remnant of the old way, but his approval rating leaving office is still high. I think with him pulling strings the new Democrats that come about will be him but truly to the left obviously, that remains a call to the people of the country to organize and become as involved as they can in government at local and state levels. that's the only way the damage the Republicans will do can be reversed meaningfully
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yellowyams posted:Volunteer and participate as much as you can if you aren't already. Donations are good too. The people who will be hurt by everything that's happening need as much support as possible to get through this nightmare. If there's any silver lining to this miserable joke of an election I hope it's that citizens become more active in the political process. This. We're now more legally vulnerable than ever before under Trump/Pence and a GOP-controlled congress, and our freedoms are about to be rolled back indefinitely. We're at the point where the people needs to take care of itself, and cannot trust the government for safety.
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HorseRenoir posted:I love the photo someone took of him during his meeting with Obama where he's just sitting alone in his chair with a "oh gently caress this is really happening This? http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/donald-trump-doesnt-like-this-any-more-than-you-do-1788862854 It's basically an album of "Trump is miserable about his win" and it's probably the scariest thing since it means he's going to just sign poo poo asap to get back to doing something, anything, else. I'm starting to hope that when he takes office he finds the gift Obama leaves behind is just a note with his phone number on it and a comment that he'll always make time if Trump wants to talk about anything. Because otherwise a miserable Trump is just going to be doing whatever Pence and others tell him (which is probably why Pence looks so loving giddy, while Trump and Turtle have shades of horror on their faces about what happened). If Trump's easily placated then if Obama wants to see his legacy last more than a month he'd better do whatever he can in that regard. With any luck, Trump will drive Pence insane by having Pence do all the work while still being able to overrule him on a whim. Like Pence being so close to getting to do his awful poo poo on a national scale, only to have Trump veto it because Pence raised his voice and Pence is slowly driven mad? I'd pay to watch that. (e: In reality this won't happen and they'll just push after GOP poo poo constantly  )Bip Roberts posted:Didn't Hillary intern to impeach Nixon? Yes, she was an intern in the Watergate investigation. They probably got confused because she was a Goldwater Girl. OAquinas posted:Like a petition would even work for this. There was a popular vote push after 2000 but the agreement among states joining it was that they'd only put the change in to effect if they had 270+ EVs worth of states in agreement instead of just individually switching over. I imagine some of the leaders of that moment are probably really hating themselves now that they didn't just get it done by each state even without the 270 EV total, assuming it'd have mattered at all for the election's results.
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mystic pimp posted:This is one of my greatest worries about a Trump presidency, that he's just going to let these assholes do whatever the gently caress they want and we get to see what kind of hellscape an unleashed Mike Pence is allowed to produce. It's already being realized. Almost all of the only silver linings of Trumps medical care platform (importing drugs, transparent pricing) didn't even last 72 hours and are now, in a single meeting with Ryan, replaced with pro-life poo poo. The call to action to get IUDs before 1/20 is like the most prescient, helpful activism I've seen since Tuesday night.
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Scent of Worf posted:Why are people writing fanfics about trump giving up the presidency/Mike pence being the real president Because "Trump plans to have Pence run the country" is a very real thing we've known for months: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-mike-pence_us_578fa289e4b0f180da63defd
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I joke about this idea a lot, but this time I feel there is a little truth to it: we're about due for a good old fashioned demonstration. Too bad that will never happen, though.
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Scent of Worf posted:Why are people writing fanfics about trump giving up the presidency/Mike pence being the real president Rationalization of a looney tunes world. Whatever. I think it's kind of futile to speculate at this point.
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Scent of Worf posted:Why are people writing fanfics about trump giving up the presidency/Mike pence being the real president I don't know, accelerationism? It's literally the worst possible outcome of his presidency.
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So is it really going to happen that the woman I saw 10 years ago on The Apprentice who said that she grew up in the hood where they didn't have pools as an excuse for losing a challenge is now going to be in the presidential cabinet?
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Pence is a dullard who is a slightly more polished version of Bryan Fischer. If you've ever listened to Bryan Fischer's radio show, the thing that comes across after the bigotry is that he is just not a very clever person. It's the people he would bring into his administration that are the problem.
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Evil Fluffy posted:while Trump and Turtle have shades of horror on their faces about what happened I just now remembered that he was building out the infrastructure for his own TV network and now that he actually won he can't do that any more. Jesus Christ his campaign really is the political re-imagining of 'The Producers'
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Fojar38 posted:I wonder how Trump will react the first time he has to make a state visit somewhere Some poor intern will have spent their entire life studying and preparing for a career as an agent of change in Washington only to end up being the guy who spins a globe to point out to Donald Trump where Amman, Jordan is.
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Gail Wynand posted:Pence is a dullard who is a slightly more polished version of Bryan Fischer. If you've ever listened to Bryan Fischer's radio show, the thing that comes across after the bigotry is that he is just not a very clever person. You don't have to be smart to break things.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Because "Trump plans to have Pence run the country" is a very real thing we've known for months: lol yeah a very real thing just like when people ITT were sure Mike Pence was going to drop trump and Kellyanne Conway was going to follow her conscience and leave too
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Gail Wynand posted:Pence is a dullard who is a slightly more polished version of Bryan Fischer. If you've ever listened to Bryan Fischer's radio show, the thing that comes across after the bigotry is that he is just not a very clever person.
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I will say we were discussing the notion of Sherrod Brown running for President and I don't know anything about his policies and this isn't a condemnation of him but I feel like that would be a massive red flag to the people afraid of being abandoned for working class whites. The Democratic Party needs to avoid running straight white dudes that project disinterest in identity politics. What's going on with Kamala Harris? Isn't she good? If she's good I'd love to see her run, she's, like Ellison, emblematic of the kinds of candidates we need. Young, progressive, and not white straight men. Economic populism wouldn't scare the poo poo out of minorities if it didn't come from straight white dudes spouting no war but the class war. That's one of the lessons we should learn from 2008 Obama. Edit: also stop picking sitting Senators. We don't have seats to burn on Presidential candidates right now. Edit 2: motherfucker Harris is a Senator now gently caress we're doomed all the good candidates are loving Senators. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Lightning Knight posted:
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PupsOfWar posted:eh it's fine to pick senators if they're from blue states where they're easily replaced by either appointment or special election Doesn't the California Governor suck? Also Brown is from Ohio and lmao if you think we could recover his seat.
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